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Why is Modding the system such a big problem? PC players do it

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I get that Microsoft and Sony need to protect their image but it's unfair when you release a game in a buggy state (Cyberpunk 2077 AFAIK) or refuse to fix it anymore (COD WWII) and yet there are numerous fixes for the PC version. How hard is it for you to release a mod pack or something that lets us fix it ourselves. Activision and EA are too lazy to fix their own games so let US fix it instead. Why should the PC people get all the good stuff? PC players get:

*the ability to mod their games

*the games are prettier on PC and in most cases, control better

* Crossplay with a pc player is suicide, they're simply too fast

* Have access to other games that we never got on console (Sam and Max hit the road, Doom II, Thief series etc)

 

plus the manufacturer never goes after them for modifying their system. Why the double standard?

 

We get nothing. Worse than nothing, if we attempt to mod our consoles, we get punished? The Xbox one S is effectively a Win 10 pc in console form and your response is to block someone for doing so. You forget Microsoft, not all of us have $600 and a proper desk. Modding the S to work as a PC would be sweet. No need to pay for a license. I support open source software and the right to Piracy (as long as the game is out of print/Company is no longer with us). If you aren't making money off of the software or the hardware in any way resembles a PC (Xbox is effectively Windows 10 in all but name) then it is by definition, a PC and thus, not a console. Literally, add a monitor, modify the hardware to run the win 10 BIOS, add a desktop and bingo. I see no problem with it. I see an issue with forcing compliance and subverting free choice through punishment. You gave us a console that is technologically similar to a PC. We will do what we see fit with it, damn the consequences.

You want to throw us in Jail? For what? If you didn't want us to modify the console hardware, then you should've not released anything.

(Piracy was rampant in the 80's and despite best efforts, pirates faced no punishment, the TI-99/4A was inherently expandable which bought no issues and yet we try to modify the Xbox or PS4/5? Stop the presses and call the FBI!).

 

Stupid, just plain stupid.

 

So why can't we mod our consoles and games? I mean, if the warranty is gone, it's not an issue! Why do we need Documentation?

 

 well, for one it would help those of us that otherwise would need to do it with help from the internet. There's no way to be absolutely sure that one method will work over the other and in most cases, it will outright destroy the console if something gets broken.

 

As consoles get more and more powerful, it makes sense to give us some way to extend the replay value of our games. I mean, in the 80's they released the Game Genie for NES and Nintendo lost that suit. In a sense, it was modding the nes in it's purest form: Adding new stuff not meant for the game itself (cheats etc). We're not redesigning the hardware here: We're fixing your (developers) mistakes because you are too damn lazy and (in some cases), converting the Xbox into a free PC.

 

I don't see the issue here. Guys?

 

Ideas for Series X/S:

 

Allow for fixes to be downloaded off the internet (fixes, new levels etc)

If a game is fully downloaded offline, don't make us install an update online

In the case of the S (not series S), give us a devkit and documentation and take our feedback into account

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Behold the glory of PC. I have absolutely no desire to use consoles for anything that gets released on PC unless it's something that has literally no difference between Switch handheld mode and PC aside from resolution, I want a physical copy for whatever reason (and I still occasionally do get physical PC games/the PC versions of games that I own physical copies of for console), or the rare event in which there is a console version of a game that happens to be superior to the PC version, which does actually happen on occasion (some of Prototype's PC -> console visual novel ports are better than the PC versions in every way).

 

My PS4 is mostly a BD player for watching Star Trek. That's the only thing that it does better than my PC because Microsoft decided that they didn't want to pay some sort of fees to make most BDs work properly. I have been using my PS4 to actually play games on occasion recently, though, but I've pretty much given up on most modern games at this point anyway.

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Blaming console companies for pulling the classic guarding their business and business model setup of their consoles... were you born yesterday? :)

 

Don't blame the PC, envy it sure, but don't blame it.  No one entity controls 'the PC' and anyone can release whatever they wish to it on whatever OS they might care to support as well, and parts, lots, all sorts of choices, that's why you get all those complaints you're making.  The up said to all that mass of choices and problems they have on their own, you're not stuck.  THere is no PC guy that is like 'hey, time to upgrade' and your stuff is stuck and doesn't work, that's consoles for better or worse.  Worse these days since the last gen for Sony and a few for MS basically have been DRM locked out of date(to stay in budget) PCs.  Worst of both worlds there, you get a locked down gimped PC game that for a console is mind blowing and reviews of praise hit as they should, but that PC there, it can run the stuff too that isn't first party(for Sony) and better, because it's not constrained under a budget.

 

The console makers will NOT give you that control, they need it, it stops piracy in their minds(and it does largely), and other things too that work in their favor including their own online stores.  If they gave the keys to the jail, you'd have all sorts of hell unleashed... viruses, malicious hacks, warez like mad, there's NO up side at all for them to give you your wishes.  Perhaps maturely, they could do it AFTER they finish releasing every last physical title for a generation, that would be nice, but when it's active and would cannibalize their own sales...hell no.

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1 hour ago, Steven Pendleton said:

My PS4 is mostly a BD player for watching Star Trek. That's the only thing that it does better than my PC because Microsoft decided that they didn't want to pay some sort of fees to make most BDs work properly. I have been using my PS4 to actually play games on occasion recently, though, but I've pretty much given up on most modern games at this point anyway.

Cyberlink Power DVD(Blu Ray) Pro very often goes on sale for at least 50% or more off.  When they did their last big sale I bit, hell of a player far superior to what the pS4 did as I was doing much as you were before I got fed up with it wasting space.  MS is pretty disgusting and cheap for not allowing movies to work off the system by default and the 'store' choices they give are AWFUL.

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14 minutes ago, Tanooki said:

Cyberlink Power DVD(Blu Ray) Pro very often goes on sale for at least 50% or more off.  When they did their last big sale I bit, hell of a player far superior to what the pS4 did as I was doing much as you were before I got fed up with it wasting space.  MS is pretty disgusting and cheap for not allowing movies to work off the system by default and the 'store' choices they give are AWFUL.

I may have to look into that. The PS4 is definitely not great as a BD player. It works, but there are better options. I tried for a while to get VLC to play BDs and sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. I think my TOS BD mostly work, but sometimes they don't. The TNG ones basically don't work at all in VLC from what I remember.

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@Steven Pendleton I'd suggest it.  I did what you did and I basically got fed up watching blu rays and as soon as I had come across a slick cheap find of a PS3 super slim, it went straight up on ebay as the PS4 was such a let down, even with movies they made it some weird chore.  I paid around $60 for it, but that's because I paid a small fee and shipping for an actual install disc to keep, normally the program costs $100.  I'd watch for sales as it does so much stuff beyond just movies it's very worth it.

 

I did VLC too and the blu-ray wankers kept screwing with the keys and it was like a monthly battle on some discs to keep them working, and others never would, like the Trek ones (kelvin movies and TNG/ToS movie box sets) and it just was the final blow being that put off it.

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7 hours ago, Tanooki said:

@Steven Pendleton I'd suggest it.  I did what you did and I basically got fed up watching blu rays and as soon as I had come across a slick cheap find of a PS3 super slim, it went straight up on ebay as the PS4 was such a let down, even with movies they made it some weird chore.  I paid around $60 for it, but that's because I paid a small fee and shipping for an actual install disc to keep, normally the program costs $100.  I'd watch for sales as it does so much stuff beyond just movies it's very worth it.

 

I did VLC too and the blu-ray wankers kept screwing with the keys and it was like a monthly battle on some discs to keep them working, and others never would, like the Trek ones (kelvin movies and TNG/ToS movie box sets) and it just was the final blow being that put off it.

I recently acquired a Japanese 60GB PS3, so I can use that, as well, as I need to repair my US 60GB PS3, as the fan is quite loud and I worry about it overheating. I really should rescue my US PS2 save files from it just in case, now that I think about it. My Japanese PS3 is fine, though.

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Ahh yeah good plans there.  That's one thing I will never understand what crap SONY was smoking that day.  The day they designed the blu ray playing on PS4, everything is worse about it, right down to them not even bothering with a proper remote for it up front like the excellent one PS3 has, didn't even let that roll over either.  THing is I technically still have a PS3, my original from back when circuit city folded and I finally bought in on discount.  It has been a dedicated movie/streaming player for years now on the main tv.  Streaming isn't updated anymore, fire stick took over, but it still plays movie discs fantastically.

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