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What SD card do you use with SIDE 3 ?

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I figured it would be useful for current and future owners of the wonderful SIDE3 cartridge to know which SD card to get to use it trouble free.

 

Here's my own results so far. If you can, please copy the format and fill out the details of your working (or not) SD card(s).

 

Brand: 
Model: 
Size (GB): 

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): 
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): 

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): 
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: 

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS):

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.):
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply):

74F08 installed ?

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: 
If not, what issues ?: 

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Brand: Sandisk

Model: Ultra
Size (GB): 64

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDXC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): UHS-I

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Standard
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: N/A

Used on what computer(s) (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL, 130 XE

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.):
- 600XL: U1MB, Stereo POKEY, Sophia 1 (RGB), AntiX

- 130XE: None
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): Original

74F08 installed ?

- 600XL yes

- 130XE no

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: No
If not, what issues ?: When launching CAR or BIN files the first time, a little clock starts running in the status screen and after about 7 turns, a NAK error appears. When then launching the same file for the 2nd time, it loads trouble free. Behavior is consistent between heavily modded 600XL and stock 130XE. PDM music plays.

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Brand: Sandisk

Model: Extreme
Size (GB): 64

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDXC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): UHS-I

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Standard
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: N/A

Used on what computer(s) (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL, 130 XE

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.):

- 600XL: U1MB, Stereo POKEY, Sophia 1 (RGB), AntiX

- 130XE: None

Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): Original

74F08 installed ?

- 600XL yes

- 130XE no

 

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: No
If not, what issues ?: When launching CAR or BIN files the first time, a little clock starts running in the status screen and after about 7 turns, a NAK error appears. When then launching the same file for the 2nd time, it loads trouble free. Behavior is consistent between heavily modded 600XL and stock 130XE. PDM music plays.

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Brand: Sandisk

Model: Extreme PRO
Size (GB): 64

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDXC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): UHS-I

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Standard
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: N/A

Used on what computer(s) (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL, 130 XE

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): 

- 600XL: U1MB, Stereo POKEY, Sophia 1 (RGB), AntiX

- 130XE: None

Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): Original

74F08 installed ?

- 600XL yes

- 130XE no


Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: No
If not, what issues ?: When launching CAR or BIN files the first time, a little clock starts running in the status screen and after about 7 turns, a NAK error appears. When then launching the same file for the 2nd time, it loads trouble free. Behavior is consistent between heavily modded 600XL and stock 130XE. PDM music plays.

 

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Brand: Sandisk (old one)
Model: -
Size (GB): 4

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SD
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): Standard

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Micro
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: Kingston

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL, 130 XE

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.):

- 600XL: U1MB, Stereo POKEY, Sophia 1 (RGB), AntiX

- 130XE: None
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): Original

74F08 installed ?

- 600XL yes

- 130XE no

 

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: No
If not, what issues ?: Loads CAR, BIN, XEX, ATR fine. Does not play PDM music.

 

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Brand: Kingston
Model: -
Size (GB): 1

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SD
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): Standard

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Standard
Used adapter for Mini or Micro:  N/A

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL, 130 XE

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): 

- 600XL: U1MB, Stereo POKEY, Sophia 1 (RGB), AntiX

- 130XE: none
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): Original

74F08 installed ?

- 600XL yes

- 130XE no

 

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: No
If not, what issues ?: Loads CAR, BIN, XEX, ATR fine. Does not play PDM music.

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Brand: Kingston
Model: Too tiny to read.
Size (GB): 8GB

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDHC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): C10, U1

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Micro
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: Yes

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): 600XL: 64K Internal RAM, Rev. C BASIC.  800XL: 256K Internal RAM, UAV, Rev. C BASIC.  1200XL: UAV, +5V SIO mod.
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): Original on the 1200XL, ex-RasPi 5V/2.5A PSUs on the 600XL and 800XL.

74F08 installed ? Not yet, at least on the 1200XL.  Not planned for the 600XL and 800XL.

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: No U1MB in use on any machine so cannot speak as to .ATR images.  .CAR, .XEX, and .BIN work fine with the exceptions listed below.  Have not tried PDM yet.
If not, what issues ?: Specific to the 1200XL: it needs a 74F08.  Have them on order, should be here in a couple of days.

Edited by x=usr(1536)
There is no UAV in the 600XL. Yet.
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Does FDISK, if used but not going as far as partioning, give you the model number of the card?

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7 minutes ago, Wrathchild said:

Does FDISK, if used but not going as far as partioning, give you the model number of the card?

Which platform are you referring to when you mention fdisk?

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Before I report results, I realize I've never even tried PDM music files. Is there a player to use, and some sample files to try so results can be reported consistently? 

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1 minute ago, x=usr(1536) said:

Which platform are you referring to when you mention fdisk?

I expect the A8 FDISK utility - it reports what the card itself reports for its ID string. 

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Just now, Wrathchild said:

None, just by scanning you should be told what cards are present I thought?

I understand what you're saying, but fdisk doesn't work the same way under different OSes.

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2 minutes ago, DrVenkman said:

I expect the A8 FDISK utility

Yes, sorry, my brain read partition instead of platform

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14 minutes ago, DrVenkman said:

Before I report results, I realize I've never even tried PDM music files. Is there a player to use, and some sample files to try so results can be reported consistently? 

@DrVenkman SIDE3 has its own inbuilt PWM (assume that's what ya meant?) music player so just source a PWM file, copy it to the Sdcard and run it from the Side loader. Just tried to find a music file on AA but couldn't. 

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Posted (edited)

Both these cards work perfectly. PDM files play fine, SDX boots and runs fine with great speed, SIDE Loader runs fine with no issues:

 

Brand: Toshiba
Model: None
Size (GB): 16GB

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDHC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): C10, U1

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Standard
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: N/A

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): 600XL: 64K Internal RAM (Lotharek upgrade), Sophia 2, U1MB (latest firmware), 600XL svideo mod, RF modulator removed, all caps removed on SIO port.
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): 2A USB PSU

74F08 installed ? No idea.

 

Brand: Lexar
Model: None.
Size (GB): 32GB

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDHC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): C10, U1

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Micro
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: Yes

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): 64K Internal RAM (Lotharek upgrade), Sophia 2, U1MB (latest firmware), 600XL svideo mod, RF modulator removed, all caps removed off SIO port.
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): 2A USB PSU

74F08 installed ? No idea.

 

This card did not work correctly. It was picked up by the SIDE3 loader and worked fine, but was not picked up by FDISK under SDX, having said that it's a very old card:

 

Brand: ScanDisk
Model: None.
Size (GB): 2GB

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SD
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): No idea

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Standard
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: N/A

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 600XL

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): 64K Internal RAM (Lotharek upgrade), Sophia 2, U1MB (latest firmware), 600XL svideo mod, RF modulator removed, all caps removed off SIO port.

Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): 2A USB PSU

74F08 installed ? No idea.

 

Honestly? If your SIDE3 is playing up on two separate machines using their own power supplies - I think you need to get in touch with the vendor you bought the device off, as at least one of the cards you bought should work.

Edited by Mazzspeed
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Posted (edited)

 

I only have the one SD card and it performs without any problems.
 

Brand: Sandisk
Model: Ultra
Size (GB): 16GB

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDHC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): C10 UHS-I

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Standard 
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: N/A

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 65XE

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): 512KB RAM, Stereo POKEY 
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): New Switching 4A PSU

74F08 installed ? No standard LS logic 

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Brand: SanDisk
Model: unknown
Size (GB): 16gb

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDHC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): HS-1

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Micro
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: Yes, standard SanDisk adapter

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 800XL

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): U1MB, Sophia 2
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): 2.5a USB adapter 

74F08 installed ? Yes

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: Yes
If not, what issues ?: I have not noticed any issues, have not tested a PDM file yet.

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Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, Beeblebrox said:

@DrVenkman SIDE3 has its own inbuilt PWM (assume that's what ya meant?) music player so just source a PWM file, copy it to the Sdcard and run it from the Side loader. Just tried to find a music file on AA but couldn't. 

It’s a bit hidden because of it’s not very descriptive title but here is a thread about an online tool you can use to convert music files to PDM and many have posted some tunes there which you can download and try.

SIDE3 has a built-in player (thanks to FJC), no extra software necessary, it recognises the files by its extension.

 

Trying to run these files is a good test for older/slower cards. The data is read rather “bluntly” (if I may say so) and “in real time”, so not like opening a CAR, BIN, ATR or XEX file.

This yields different results, slow, old SD cards can’t seem to keep up with providing the data, the result is a frozen screen and no or static noise.  More modern ones play the files fine.

 

Big thanks for everyone who took the time to provide their data, much appreciated….

 

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This tool may prove useful for establishing whether the physical media matches the description on the packaging:

 

 

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5 hours ago, TGB1718 said:

Sandisk 8Gb SDHC

No problems whatsoever

 

Did you successfully play PDM files with it ?

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6 hours ago, mdivancic said:

 

Brand: SanDisk
Model: unknown
Size (GB): 16gb

Type (SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC): SDHC
Speed (Standard, High-speed, UHS-I , UHS-II, UHS-III, Express): HS-1

Phyiscal size (Standard, Mini, Micro): Micro
Used adapter for Mini or Micro: Yes, standard SanDisk adapter

Used on what computer (400,800, 600XL, 800XL, 1200XL, 65XE, 130XE, 800XE, XEGS): 800XL

Any hardware mods (Antonia, U1MB, Sophia 1, Sophia 2, Stereo Pokey, Pokeymac, etc. etc.): U1MB, Sophia 2
Original Atari or new (switching Power Supply): 2.5a USB adapter 

74F08 installed ? Yes

Does it work absolutely trouble free (Loading CAR, XEX, BIN, ATR (with U1MB), runs PDM music) ?: Yes
If not, what issues ?: I have not noticed any issues, have not tested a PDM file yet.

Please test a PDM file. Without that you don’t know tips it’s working 100%

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Just now, Level42 said:

Did you successfully play PDM files with it ?

Sorry, I have no idea what a PDM file is or how to play it

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4 minutes ago, TGB1718 said:

Sorry, I have no idea what a PDM file is or how to play it

See post 16 above. ;)

 

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Posted (edited)

PDM files are music files you can run straight from the SIDE3 loader.

 

I have attached one here. Please download it, unzip and copy to your SD card.

Then put the SD card in SIDE3 and simply launch the file just like you would launch a game from the loader.

 

you should hear the music and see the waves on the screen if it works OK. If not, you’ll likely just get a bluescreen.

01. You To Me Are Everything Bruiloft Peet en Dré edit pdm14 stereo 22305Hz ide ntsc.pds

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So I tested both these microSD cards tonight in my SIDE3. I tried several different PDM files - the last three posted tonight in the FujiConvert thread, plus two I made myself from WAV files using the recommended "flashjazzcat" preset, plus NTSC and Mono. Of the files I tested, only this one plays, and only from the SandDisk card, not the Samsung, despite them ostensibly being the same class of card.

 

 

IMG_0643.jpg

Doom pdm14 mono 44610Hz ide ntsc.zip

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1 hour ago, DrVenkman said:

So I tested both these microSD cards tonight in my SIDE3. I tried several different PDM files - the last three posted tonight in the FujiConvert thread, plus two I made myself from WAV files using the recommended "flashjazzcat" preset, plus NTSC and Mono. Of the files I tested, only this one plays, and only from the SandDisk card, not the Samsung, despite them ostensibly being the same class of card.

Doom pdm14 mono 44610Hz ide ntsc.zip 2.43 MB · 1 download

Well that's disappointing.

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6 hours ago, Stephen said:

Well that's disappointing.

For me it’s not, as I’m finally getting some confirmation instead of people pointing their fingers to me, my hardware or my “fake” SD cards….

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