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Howdy Amigos!
 

   I’ve cleaned and restored a number of retro computers but not the elusive random Amiga find. Just found one locally and wonder if you can help me price the lot. Any and all helpful comments appreciated.

 

Buyer asking $750 which seems very (extremely) high for the filthy condition. System produces video but buyer hasn’t tried any disks, so he says. What’s a fair price?

 


 

 

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Take a look at Ebay sold listings. Over in the UK it would only be worth about £100 as they normally need recapping, the drive hasn't been checked etc. Monitor worth more and some of the old games are worth a fair bit now but can't see how it could possibly be worth more than a few hundred dollars, take a browse through ebay for sold prices

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What a hunk of shit (for $750.)  $200, maximum, maybe $300 with the monitor.  Not only is it filthy, but it only has Kickstart 1.2.  That is not a big deal if you just want a game machine, but if you ever want to cheaply expand and boot into a hard drive of CF you must have v1.3 or better (ideally if you want it to be a usable computer something like 3.1 or the newer 3.1.4 or 3.2.)

 

Have not tried any disks?  That means the disk drive is probably not working -- there is no reason to not test disks if he brought it up to the stage in the photos.  There might be some extras which make the system more valuable, but I would not go higher just for what i see, even with the external drive and games (untested, mind you.)

 

For $750, I expect every one of those games to be tested (it does not take long if you keep from getting side-tracked and playing.)  Even then I am stand-offish about the price.

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What he said.. also does it have the memory expansion card with the varta on it if so you want to see pictures of that with the varta replaced or removed

 

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$750 is way too much. However, the monitor and some of the games (North & South, Pirates!) are quite sought-after and expensive.

 

I rate the hardware at around $200.

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Yeah $750 puts you into A1200 country. $300 tops for a bog standard A500 and extras. My club was selling them boxed for $50 when we had some.

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6 hours ago, OLD CS1 said:

it only has Kickstart 1.2.  That is not a big deal if you just want a game machine, but if you ever want to cheaply expand and boot into a hard drive of CF you must have v1.3 or better (ideally if you want it to be a usable computer something like 3.1 or the newer 3.1.4 or 3.2.)

Upgradable to 3.2 via a ROM swap I assume? I’ll need to research the cost of that.

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3 hours ago, arcadeshopper said:

does it have the memory expansion card with the varta on it if so you want to see pictures of that with the varta replaced or remove

Pretty sure he’s like me and has no clue on varta or memory expansion. An elderly neighbor’s estate sale find so not an original owner.

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Pretty sure he’s like me and has no clue on varta or memory expansion. An elderly neighbor’s estate sale find so not an original owner.
Trap door on the bottom center.. just say they are all bad and lowers the value

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Yeah, that's a hefty price tag alright. As others have said, that's A1200 territory, which is a significant upgrade over the A500.

 

It's an A500, so recapping is usually not required, unlike some of the later Amiga models. Don't worry about that aspect for now.

 

Upgrading the ROMs can be useful, but it depends on what you want to do with it. If you just want to boot games from floppy, 1.2 is enough. If you want to add a hard drive, you'll probably need to update it to 1.3 at least. 3.1, 3.1.4 or 3.2 will give you a much more up-to-date experience, but you might fine reduced compatibility with older games run from floppy. Additionally, 3,1,4 and 3.2 pretty much require a hard drive, and while you can get around that, there's very little point because you'll miss out on almost all of the improvements.

 

If you're adding a hard drive and updating to a more recent Kickstart for games, you'll also need a more significant RAM expansion than the basic 512K one that's often found in the trapdoors of these machines. 4MB is a reasonable minimum to be able to play games from hard drive via WHDLoad, and 8MB is more comfortable.

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On 9/9/2021 at 3:30 PM, Airshack said:

Upgradable to 3.2 via a ROM swap I assume? I’ll need to research the cost of that.

Since it has 1.2 roms, it is likely an older motherboard (rev 5 or lower).  If so it will need an adapter for newer ROMs.  I can't recall if there is more than one type of adapter or if they are all the same for the lower rev motherboards.

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I just want to say congratulations for posting EXACTLY the right way to ask for help on this type of thing.  You got everything right down to the subforum, and you can tell by all the helpful responses.

 

Many a forum member has stumbled into hostile waters while attempting the same thing . . .

 

 

Also - I had a friend who owned an A500 bitd and we spent lots of time playing North and South, Pirates, and Siege and the Sword.  That's quite the nostalgia bundle you've stumbled on there (for me at least).

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3 hours ago, chue said:

Since it has 1.2 roms, it is likely an older motherboard (rev 5 or lower).  If so it will need an adapter for newer ROMs.  I can't recall if there is more than one type of adapter or if they are all the same for the lower rev motherboards.

ISTR I had 1.3 in my Rev 5 motherboard, but 2.04 required a different ROM which could not be installed on the v5 without using a wire jumper somewhere.  Though, by then I am certain I moved to a Rev 6.

 

Anyway, this thread seems to support my memory.

 

https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=58337.0

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Yep, the pin layout on older A500 boards is slightly different. It's a fairly easy mod to do yourself if you're handy with a soldering iron, otherwise adaptors to take the standard ROM pinout and adapt it to the rev 5 layout are cheap and easy to find.

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Looks like I have a Rev 5. The disk drive is indeed non-functioning.

 

What I tried: 

 

A. lithium grease on the single rail and drive motor gear.

 

B. Alcohol cleaning of the drive heads. The top and bottom small white squares.

 

The drive mechanism moves inward when a diskette is inserted and the system is turned on, and the disk spins as expected, green LED illuminates…

 

  It appears the drive mechanism is not moving outward (right) as the floppy disk rotates. 

 

Any ideas on a fix?
 

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On 9/9/2021 at 4:08 AM, digdugnate said:

With the monitor included plus the games, my thought is around $300 in the condition it's in.

For the curious this was the price negotiated for the entire lot. I was able to use screen-shots of all of your feedback to get the deal completed. Thank you.

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@Airshack When left to sit at the Kickstart screen with no floppy in the drive, does the drive click bank-and-forth?  If not, it could be a problem with the drive itself or the CIA (8520A) which controls the drive.  What about the external drive?  Does the system behave the same with the external drive detached and attached? The mechanisms are likely interchangeable, though the external will likely not mount in the case, so it could be used for testing.

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