geo255 Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 51 minutes ago, Wrathchild said: http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-400-800-xl-xe-fire-and-flood_30997.html nope. F&F looks like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Bill Loguidice said: Is it possible it was a type-in (especially with the "slow pace" you describe) or do you think it was a commercial release? It would be odd to have a vertically-oriented game on a home computer at the time. Caverns of mars… made commercial vertical river raid… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 This game sounds familiar and i been going crazy looking, no luck lol i been looking through all a8 and st in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) could it be heliman? https://atarionline.pl/arch/H/Helliman/Helliman (1987)(Fecker%2C Klaus)(DE).atr been trying EVERYTHING lol I suck at this so dunno if water happens, but heli, vertical, 1987 came from PAL territory however runs better in NTSC, odd. Edited September 15, 2021 by oo7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo255 Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 no... but thanks for your persistence The helicopter sprite in the game I remember I'm pretty sure looked very much like the one I drew in my mockup. Simple and white. It wasn't a heli-pack guy. I've also tried scrolling through lots of random game screenshots to see if I recognize it. I'll keep looking and report back if I ever solve this mystery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, geo255 said: no... but thanks for your persistence The helicopter sprite in the game I remember I'm pretty sure looked very much like the one I drew in my mockup. Simple and white. It wasn't a heli-pack guy. I've also tried scrolling through lots of random game screenshots to see if I recognize it. I'll keep looking and report back if I ever solve this mystery! Ill keep looking, i been looking at screen shots, videos and trying games from collections just to see. I honestly feel ive seen your game before. I will stay on the hunt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Not with a helicopter but how about Android Attack? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo255 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 I am carefully checking each of your suggestions! Android Attack looks like a Beserk clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo255 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 I've scoured the Google and Google Books for these keywords: atari, helicopter, tunnels, flood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, geo255 said: I've scoured the Google and Google Books for these keywords: atari, helicopter, tunnels, flood I did all that and water and caves and caverns now im just persistently going through atari game collections and loading roms with possible names or names I do not know. If its out there we will find it. It sounds sooo familiar, I think I have played this, if you never find it I will be checking till I find it or truly run out of dumps to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800XLNZ Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Good call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I cant find this and for some resson i have a vague memory of a game like this. I wonder if it was a diff platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800XLNZ Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 or 4 decade old memories, that's the trouble for me also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) I might try and dig in, and look at other platforms as well. Gotta crack this nut. Edited November 24, 2021 by invisible kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo255 Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 14 hours ago, oo7 said: I wonder if it was a diff platform? I'm 98% sure it was the Atari 800. The only other computers I interacted with during that era were an original IBM PC and a TRS-80 model I -- neither of which could generate the "complex" sounds this game had. Speaking of sounds, I seem to remember the game using the Atari's white noise generator to produce some kind of ominous hissing sound when the caverns were in their flooding phase. And there was likely some kind of helicopter sound too, while flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo7 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 hours ago, geo255 said: I'm 98% sure it was the Atari 800. The only other computers I interacted with during that era were an original IBM PC and a TRS-80 model I -- neither of which could generate the "complex" sounds this game had. Speaking of sounds, I seem to remember the game using the Atari's white noise generator to produce some kind of ominous hissing sound when the caverns were in their flooding phase. And there was likely some kind of helicopter sound too, while flying. Hmm i only say this because im sure i had a game like this, i was sure it was on my atari xl and xe systems but i had also moved up to st and ste and used my xl xe st stes all together for years so having run through as much as possible and found nothing im wondering if im confused and am remembering st. But it seems you maybe didnt go st? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 yup we are 8 bitters, so you might try the ST folks or Amiga folks, that's not to say it isn't an 8 bit game... there are many still not found, archived, or preserved yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo255 Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Here is the actual computer I played this game on. Complete with period 80's decor. Photo from the 80's. And, obviously, not the actual game in question on the TV. Edited November 25, 2021 by geo255 more details 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 If we were in the Blade Runner universe, we could "Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance, stop. Move in, stop. Pull out, track right, stop. Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there." And see the title on one of the disk stickers! lol Currently going through the Tosec collection, in the atr c directory... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 After poking around with this for awhile, it seems google searching won't help. I was going through a mega collection just trying to narrow it down by the filename using the find command on linux with things like heli, huey, chop, copt, cav, canyon, lava, escape etc. but came up empty, The name might actually be a made up word or something unrelated or generic like Apex Warrior. Then I was thinking if you could remember any text in the game or an exact bit-map or something I could mass-convert each binary atr/xex/cas/rom etc. to a continuous string of hexadecimal representations, then I could mass grep through all titles looking for a pattern match. But I feel we wouldn't be able to specify anything to that level of detail, or we would have been able to pinpoint it with that info in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baktra Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I would try looking in online archives of various Atari magazines from 80s. Perhaps there will be a listing or a screenshot that will ring a bell. It would be a tedious job, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I went through .mads gamebase and could not find a match from the description. I'm beginning to wonder if it was a type in. Do you remember it taking a while to start OP? Probably Basic with machine code data being poked in for some parts, either way it would take a few secs to initialise on a machine. As for the pic, yeah very 80's wallpaper which is all good, we had no issues with it at the time As for the game on the TV, looks like Flip and Flop to me..Fun game too.. Hope you find this missing game as I guess we are all keen to see it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, baktra said: I would try looking in online archives of various Atari magazines from 80s. Perhaps there will be a listing or a screenshot that will ring a bell. It would be a tedious job, though. That's exactly what I was thinking and wrote in my post just behind you....That isn't a fun job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible kid Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) Maybe OP/someone could use Xformer 10 to look at many programs running simultaneously? http://www.emulators.com/xformer.htm Edited November 26, 2021 by invisible kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Can do the same in Altirra, just make sure 'use program instance' isn't ticked in TOOLS / OPTION /STARTUP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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