+MrFish Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I'm looking for the basic dimensions of all Atari 8-bit systems. Just the lengths and widths. I have an XEGS, but it's buried -- and I don't have a keyboard currently. I'd like to have a measurement for each part separately (base unit & keyboard). I found these in another thread ( @Dropcheck ). 1200XL L = 38 cm W = 31.5 cm 800XL L = 37 cm W = 21.5 cm 130XE L = 34 cm W = 21 cm If anybody is interested in helping with the remaining system measurements, I'd appreciate it. I guess the 1400XL/1450XLD are covered by the 1200XL dimensions already -- and 65XE covered by the 130XE. So, what remains is: 400 800 600XL XEGS (base unit) XEGS (keyboard) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Atari 800: L= 40.6 cm W= 32.2 cm David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam242 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) The 400 is an interesting beast.. 13.125" wide at the rear, 13.5" wide at front. 11.375" length. 600XL is 15" x 6.625". XEGS console is 12.75" x 8.125" XEGS keyboard is 13.75" x 6" Sorry, my tape measure is inches. Edited October 9, 2021 by adam242 more info 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 Thanks @DavidMil and @adam242. No problem about using inches; I just needed the dimensions; I can convert easy enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 hours ago, adam242 said: The 400 is an interesting beast.. 13.125" wide at the rear, 13.5" wide at front. 11.375" length. Funny... I actually forgot, I still have an Atari 400; but, now that I remember, it's buried away in the same box that my XEGS is in (or at least another box that's just as difficult to get to); so, I did need that help on that one too, in spite of owning one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 So, to sum everything up... 400 length = 34.3 cm width = 28.9 cm 800 length = 40.6 cm width = 32.2 cm 1200XL length = 38.1 cm width = 31.5 cm 800XL length = 38.1 cm width = 21.5 cm 600XL length = 38.1 cm width = 16.8 cm 130XE / 65XE length = 34.0 cm width = 21.0 cm XEGS (Base Unit) length = 32.4 cm width = 20.6 cm XEGS (Keyboard) length = 34.9 cm width = 15.2 cm I know the 800 is a behemoth, but I'm a little surprised it's bigger than a 1200XL in both dimensions (I don't own either at the moment, but used to own both). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, MrFish said: I know the 800 is a behemoth, but I'm a little surprised it's bigger than a 1200XL in both dimensions (I don't own either at the moment, but used to own both). I have both , but the 1200xl is in storage. I'm surprised too, thought the 1200xl was wider than the 800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, mimo said: I have both , but the 1200xl is in storage. I'm surprised too, thought the 1200xl was wider than the 800 I guess it's not as wide as I'm thinking it would be because the function keys are on top, rather than on the side like the 600XL & 800XL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 8 hours ago, MrFish said: I guess it's not as wide as I'm thinking it would be because the function keys are on top, rather than on the side like the 600XL & 800XL. After thinking about it for a bit (and tending to agree with you), I decided to verify the differences. Seven mm is not a lot of difference. So, pictures tell the tale... What surprised me more was the weight difference: 1200XL: 7 lbs. (3.2kilos) 800: 9 lbs. (4.1kilo) David Edit: Sorry, I forgot to add the pictures! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, DavidMil said: 800: 9 lbs. (4.1kilo) For love of the FCC. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Not collecting heights? Seems odd to only do 2 of the 3 dimensions! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mr Robot said: Not collecting heights? Seems odd to only do 2 of the 3 dimensions! It's not for having specs. I need it for the ratios -- for each machine and between one machine and another. If you look at my avatar, I want to do something like that for each machine. I'll be changing the size though, as I've decided it's just a bit too small. So they'll be 1.5x to 2x larger. It's something that happened rather by accident -- and why it's currently a bit smaller than I want; but I have a good idea for it (the end use); and I may still be able to use the smaller sizes for something too (the initial idea it was born from). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrbrevin Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr Robot said: Not collecting heights? Seems odd to only do 2 of the 3 dimensions! i think the 800 would win that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam242 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 15 hours ago, MrFish said: 800XL length = 37.0 cm width = 21.5 cm 600XL length = 38.1 cm width = 16.8 cm I was shocked to see the 600XL and 800XL having different lengths, so I went and checked mine. Both are 15 inches (38.1 cm) on the nose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, adam242 said: I was shocked to see the 600XL and 800XL having different lengths, so I went and checked mine. Both are 15 inches (38.1 cm) on the nose. I was actually wondering about that myself last night. I was just kinda waiting for someone else to notice it and speak up. I also thought I'd seen a photo someone posted before, with the 600XL on top of the 800XL, which showed them be equal lengths. [Edit: I edited the list above to reflect the information provided here.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 lol length an width are reversed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faicuai Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 10 hours ago, DavidMil said: 800: 9 lbs. (4.1kilo) Just wait until you add ceramic-gold RAM cards, or expand it with Ramrod, AXLON, Bit3, Mosaic or 32KB boards.... even heavier! ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 The 1400XL would be identical to the 1200XL in size, the 1450XLD would be just the biggest thing ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 2 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: lol length an width are reversed... I had a feeling this would be brought up. First of all, I was merely sticking to the distinction made by @Dropcheck in the post where I got the first few measurements. Second, I took the measurements given by @adam242 and matched them with the format @Dropcheck used, to keep everything uniform. Third, I was concerned with the same thing you're bringing up, as width always meant side to side to me; but then I was thinking, "length would be front to back, and shorter?". That would be more like depth; but then depth can refer to how deep something goes from top to bottom (think of ocean depth). So, I starting checking some sources online, and there seems to be a lot of debate, many stating that it's totally arbitrary what is used; but I see many following the definitions found at the top of my Merriam-Webster dictionary. Length 1a. the longer or longest dimension of an object. Width 1. the horizontal measurement taken at right angles to the length. So, the measurements given are basically following this convention, which is how I suppose @Dropcheck was looking at it. As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care; because it's obvious what each measurement refers to regarding the objects. I suppose if width, depth, and height were used, it might be somewhat more meaningful to how the object (computer) is positioned in relation to the user; but following the simple definitions above seems perfectly valid, and adequate for the purpose of using the two dimensions measured. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 lol moar, I was laughing, as I expected the dictionary explanation, but it should be width, depth, and height. though if anyone chooses to do length, height, and width... what can one do? depth could also be below, so we can really end up in a deeper subject. It about position and placement as well as word... It's a win win, because we have some idea of what to use and why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said: I was laughing, as I expected the dictionary explanation, but it should be width, depth, and height. It's not just a dictionary definition; look around a bit; you'll find it used variously in mathematics and elsewhere. The subject isn't as cut and dried as you want to make it sound. If you can prove otherwise (besides just saying so), I'll be glad to hear some facts instead of "lol"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 (edited) It's all point of view for the most part. Facts? I thought we were in agreement that the word choice didn't fit the subject... wow... have some wordplay on AA. MrFish is not normally one to be testy. Did the change in avatar also change MrFish. I also thought we both pointed to what the better word choice might be. Edited October 10, 2021 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Extent x Thickness x Girth x Heft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said: Facts? I thought we were in agreement that the word choice didn't fit the subject... I never agreed that the designation didn't fit the objects here. You stated that width and length were reversed and I gave my reasoning why it's perfectly fitting to use them exactly as they are. I initially made a long reply in order to give you some insight into my thinking processes on the matter; but my stating that some other form of designation might be more meaningful, was only to say as such from a given alternate perspective. If I was convinced otherwise, I would have just said so and exchanged the length and width. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 X . Y . Z where xyz meet is the front left bottom. ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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