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Basic Dimensions (L & W) of All Atari 8-bit Systems

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On 10/8/2021 at 4:31 PM, MrFish said:

 

I guess the 1400XL/1450XLD are covered by the 1200XL dimensions already -- and 65XE covered by the 130XE.

 

 

 

Pretty sure the 1450 is deeper than the 1200XL. About 14" deep.  This is mentioned and photographed somewhere here in the forums some years ago.

 

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6 hours ago, Mr Robot said:

Extent x Thickness x Girth x Heft

I don't want to talk about girth...

 

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On 10/9/2021 at 11:15 PM, kheller2 said:

The 1400XL would be identical to the 1200XL in size, the 1450XLD would be just the biggest thing ever.  

 

1 hour ago, Sugarland said:

Pretty sure the 1450 is deeper than the 1200XL. About 14" deep.  This is mentioned and photographed somewhere here in the forums some years ago.

 

Yeah, I was thinking that @kheller2 meant something along those lines.

 

I'll try to do some searching here and see what I can come up with.

 

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11 hours ago, Mr Robot said:

Extent x Thickness x Girth x Heft

 

Extent x Thickness x Girth x Theft ?   ;-) ;-) ;-)

 

(If you consider taking your A8 to a show.)

 

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1 hour ago, kheller2 said:

1400XL vs 1450XLD(tong) Footprint pic:

 

Case comparison pics:

 

 

Perfect! I can use ratios to get close enough.

 

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hmm I just realized that the 1450XLD bottom plastic is probably slightly different for the TONG vs 1450XL motherboard (the color POT hole seems to be in a different location).

 

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So, I finally fished out my own hardware -- as I needed to check on some minor measurements for the 130XE; and I decided to double-check the basic measurements obtained by others. It turns out that both measurements for this model were wrong. The length was only off by 5 mm, but the width was off by 2 cm (actually 2.5 cm, if you measure from the top side -- because of the bevel; but that doesn't matter for the top-view images I'm doing). I'm guessing there weren't a variety of sizes made for these machines (although who knows); but I have 2 here, which both measured the same. So, I suppose the measurements were just read incorrectly (I don't think my cheap Taiwan tape measure is off by that much), or just hastily done.

 

I also double-checked the XEGS, 800XL, and 400 measurements (rest of the machines I currently own); and everything was fine for the XEGS (base unit only; I don't have a keyboard currently) and 400, but the 800XL had a discrepancy of 5 mm on the width.

 

Here's the updated table.

 

400    
length = 34.3 cm
width  = 28.9 cm
    
800    
length = 40.6 cm
width  = 32.2 cm
    
1200XL    
length = 38.1 cm
width  = 31.5 cm
    
800XL    
length = 38.1 cm
width  = 22.0 cm
    
600XL    
length = 38.1 cm
width  = 16.8 cm
    
130XE / 65XE    
length = 34.5 cm
width  = 23.0 cm
    
XEGS (Base Unit)    
length = 32.4 cm
width  = 20.6 cm
    
XEGS (Keyboard)    
length = 34.9 cm
width  = 15.2 cm

 

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I'll challenge the notion that length is always the longest dimension. A skyscraper's longest dimension is height. For many aircraft it is wing span. For most sailboats it is mast height. For standing people it is height.

 

Also, width is usually left to right. For Ataris, width, depth, and height are appropriate.

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9 hours ago, ClausB said:

I'll challenge the notion that length is always the longest dimension. A skyscraper's longest dimension is height. For many aircraft it is wing span. For most sailboats it is mast height. For standing people it is height.

 

I never said length is "always" the longest dimension.

 

 

9 hours ago, ClausB said:

Also, width is usually left to right. For Ataris, width, depth, and height are appropriate.

 

Appropriate in your opinion. You'll be hard pressed to find a consensus on the subject.

 

I'll restate: what's being used here is perfectly appropriate under various definitions for dimensions, and I'm sticking with it.

 

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Not quite done with these two; but this is the general direction I'm going with this mini project.

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14 hours ago, MrFish said:

Not quite done with these two; but this is the general direction I'm going with this mini project.

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Those look fantastic! 

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3 hours ago, gozar said:

Those look fantastic! 

Should be interesting to see the entire fleet together.

 

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49 minutes ago, MrFish said:

Should be interesting to see the entire fleet together.

 

Are you going to do XEL/XLD/NUC+ as well? 

 

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20 minutes ago, Mr Robot said:

Are you going to do XEL/XLD/NUC+ as well?

Hadn't really thought about it yet; I just had the Atari production machines in mind.

 

But since this is related to construction of my hardware site -- which will have a section about modern implementations too -- it would be a good idea to include them in the lineup. I should look into the Eclaire too.

 

In which case some dimensions (and probably some pics, since I don't own any of them, yet) would be needed; and I suppose you're just the guy to consult.

 

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XEL (The standard case as specced by @mytek and sold by @MacRorie) is 200x200x80, I don't have that case so maybe they could measure one to be 100% (It has feet, not sure if the dimensions include those).

 

XLD The case is a 1050 Drive case, I don't have one so someone else will have to measure that.

 

@DrVenkman has the best glamour shots of the finished XEL an XLD

 

NUC+       = 135x123x45 WxDxH

NUC+Cart = 135x123x70 WxDxH

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mr Robot said:

(It has feet, not sure if the dimensions include those).

I don't care about the height here. I can dig up pictures from the forums here.

 

2 hours ago, Mr Robot said:

XLD The case is a 1050 Drive case, I don't have one so someone else will have to measure that.

I've got a 1050 here; so, I can measure that one.

 

Nice pictures. Don't you have technical drawings for these? An overhead view would be ideal, of course.

 

I appreciate your help here. Thanks.

 

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4 hours ago, Mr Robot said:

@DrVenkman has the best glamour shots of the finished XEL an XLD

The problem with the XEL is that there was no official case for it.  It's a standard ITX motherboard size, so anything for that series will work.  Here's mine next to the 576NUC for scale though:
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2 hours ago, MrFish said:

I don't care about the height here. I can dig up pictures from the forums here.

 

I've got a 1050 here; so, I can measure that one.

 

Nice pictures. Don't you have technical drawings for these? An overhead view would be ideal, of course.

 

I appreciate your help here. Thanks.

 

I’ll post some pics tomorrow when I’m at my computer. 

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1 hour ago, Stephen said:

The problem with the XEL is that there was no official case for it.  It's a standard ITX motherboard size, so anything for that series will work.  Here's mine next to the 576NUC for scale though:

 

Correct... I was just planning to copy the blue case used by either @mytek or @MacRorie (Brewing Academy), which I consider to be the general standard.

 

There are also multiple cases available for the NUC; so, I'm not sure exactly what I'll do there.

 

Thanks for the overhead pics; the connector side pics don't really matter to me for this project.

 

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This is the best I can get out of Tinkercad. 

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4 hours ago, Mr Robot said:

This is the best I can get out of Tinkercad. 

 

More than adequate, thanks.

 

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11 hours ago, MrFish said:

 

Correct... I was just planning to copy the blue case used by either @mytek or @MacRorie (Brewing Academy), which I consider to be the general standard.

 

There are also multiple cases available for the NUC; so, I'm not sure exactly what I'll do there.

 

Thanks for the overhead pics; the connector side pics don't really matter to me for this project.

 

The case most of us decided on was the "Realan H80" case.  80 designating 80mm tall.  They also made an H60 but I am not sure if anyone used that.  Marlin has the H80 listed https://thebrewingacademy.com/products/realan-h80-case

 

Dimensions given at AliExpress are 200*80*200 mm (W*H*D)

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11 hours ago, Mr Robot said:

This is the best I can get out of Tinkercad.

Love the horizontal cartridge slot.  The overall shape gives it a bit of a 14x0 feel, too.

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I need a couple more measurements for the 800, if anyone is interested to help out. Thanks.

 

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