DavidMil Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Does anyone know if the Atari Museum is a 501c organization? I want to send some things to it, but I don't want to send it to a place that someone could sell it for personal profit somewhere down the road. DavidMil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DavidMil said: Does anyone know if the Atari Museum is a 501c organization? I want to send some things to it, but I don't want to send it to a place that someone could sell it for personal profit somewhere down the road. DavidMil @DavidMil If you are referring to Fred_M's ( @Fred_M) amazing Netherland's all things Atari museum as referenced below in a thread based conversation I had with him - then I am pretty sure he'd lovingly display anything in his museum. Fred_M is long on the Atari scene (ex-ANG software from the 90's), and clearly is a full on Atarian! Check out the video. Edited December 18, 2021 by Beeblebrox 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Beeblebrox said: Fred_M's ( @Fred_M) amazing Netherland's all things Atari museum If that's the one he's referring to, then I'd have to say it isn't a 501c organization, as that's a U.S. Federal Internal Revenue designation and has nothing to do with organizations outside of the U.S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Surely its Curt's place, is it open again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Mclaneinc said: Surely its Curt's place, is it open again? Marty posted a preview of the front page on the Atari Museum Facebook page. That's it. The site is being redesigned and he just wanted to give people a preview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Beeblebrox said: @DavidMil If you are referring to Fred_M's ( @Fred_M) amazing Netherland's all things Atari museum as referenced below in a thread based conversation I had with him - then I am pretty sure he'd lovingly display anything in his museum. Fred_M is long on the Atari scene (ex-ANG software from the 90's), and clearly is a full on Atarian! Check out the video. Thank you for the nice compliments! I am sure that this is about atarimuseum.com. I had some contact with Marty a few months ago. At that moment he stated that his (Marty/Curt) website would be available in a few weeks. Sadly it is not. I did take a look at what a 501c organization means, I don't think that atarimuseum.com was a 501c organization. It was not mentioned on the website. You can check for yourself in the Wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20210117125827/http://atarimuseum.com/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 I thought that there was an Atari Museum in the USA (New York or California)? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 David, I'm pretty sure you mean the very sadly now passed Curt Vendel's site, but because of his far too soon death the site is now in a bit of confusion, I seem to remember various claims of ownership and the like, Marty the main guy was talking of it being open as a site again but from comments from others it seems nothing has moved on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Both Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Is a "501c organization" something like a non-profit, state-controlled association that, for example, has the task of selflessly promoting the education of citizens? In the way, museums do? Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Guys, What Allan posted is correct. Marty is building a new website. The progress can be seen at https://theatarimuseum.com/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyprian Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, Fred_M said: Guys, What Allan posted is correct. Marty is building a new website. The progress can be seen at https://theatarimuseum.com/ great news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Fred_M said: Guys, What Allan posted is correct. Marty is building a new website. The progress can be seen at https://theatarimuseum.com/ That is awesome! There doesn't appear to be a lot there yet, other than the main page. I wish him the best of luck and I look forward to watching it develop. I can't imagine the work involved in putting it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I do hope that the infighting that was going on has been sorted out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Mclaneinc said: I do hope that the infighting that was going on has been sorted out.. I wasn't aware that there was any, but I agree. If anything like that is going on, everyone loses. We're all human though, and we all have our moments. Hopefully, everything, and everyone will come together in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I thought I heard (in the Curt Vendel thread) of people coming forward to make claim on the site / goods (can't remember which, possibly both).. Poor man, dead far too young and people fighting over who owns what.. As you say, human nature, not always as good as it can be.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 This is exactly what I worry about. If I send some of my one-of-a-kind Atari items to the museum is someone going to end up with them if the infighting rips the museum apart! David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, DavidMil said: This is exactly what I worry about. If I send some of my one-of-a-kind Atari items to the museum is someone going to end up with them if the infighting rips the museum apart! David Well, the thing you need to remember, for the most part, The Atari Museum was just a web site. Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but in the end, everything there was basically just Curt's collection, correct, and he created the Atari Museum web site around it. It's not like it was really some brick and mortar museum where the items were owned by an organization and ran by a board of trustees or anything. So, even when Curt was still with us and running the "museum", basically anything that you donated to him, you would just have given to him and he would've documented it. I mean, Curt would've never done anything shady, but once he passed, what does his family do with all of that stuff? I'm not sure we know yet what has happened or will happen to everything. Push comes to shove, I'm not aware of any real museum like you're thinking of, where everything isn't owned by the person running the museum. Am I completely off base here guys? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 even not for profit 501 c museums can end up having their contents auctioned off with proceeds going to the owners and bills.... You have to have a document indicating what and how your donated item must be handled even in the even the museum is closed, dissolved, bankrupted, or placed into estate status or otherwise if you wish to protect that which you offer to them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 I seem to remember that 99% of stuff was just Curt's private collection and that it was just as Bob thought, built around the website as opposed to a real place but I believe some items were on loan to Curt. I'd need to re-read the entire Curt thread to exact facts but I'm pretty sure I'm ok so far. I can understand people who loaned stuff being worried about what might happen to their gear but sadly sometimes people try to take advantage, hopefully that was not the case here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Has anyone thought about starting an actual Atari museum/lending library? It'd certainly be easier to maintain if the collection was privately held across the world. All it would take would be a proper database. And how cool would it be to see it linked with something like Atarimania -- click on a piece of hardware, see if and where it's "in stock", and then arrange to have it loaned out! I know that I have quite a bit of equipment that could be loaned out, and I can see it working something like this: each "librarian" agrees to loan out one piece of equipment every six months. They're responsible for sending the item, tracked, to the recipient. The loaner gets to decide who, and to whom, each item is sent. The recipient is responsible for sending it back, tracked, within six months of receiving the item. Everyone gets to choose one new item every six months (if they wish). The library would contain hardware and cartridges; magnetic media is probably too fragile at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I love the idea but fear the shipping / damage problems... Many couriers / shippers already play fast and loose with our gear, I worry about shipping something like an 810 or 1050, add that a PSU may need to be included and it suddenly becomes an accident waiting to happen. Not trying to be a downer as I do like the idea... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_M Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I agree with @Mclaneinc. I have no problem in sending some Atari items to someone I personally know and trust. But shipping items to people I don't know and all over the world....... Scanning boxes/inlays/manuals/books, dumping disks/tapes/carts, making pictures and send that digitally to someone is no problem, but shipping the physical items...... no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollowell Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Fred_M said: I agree with @Mclaneinc. I have no problem in sending some Atari items to someone I personally know and trust. But shipping items to people I don't know and all over the world....... Scanning boxes/inlays/manuals/books, dumping disks/tapes/carts, making pictures and send that digitally to someone is no problem, but shipping the physical items...... no. Yeah, I agree with this. If we lived in a perfect world, and everyone was trustworthy, what an awesome thing this would be. The problem is that we don't live in a perfect world and many people aren't trustworthy, I daresay there are probably even untrustworthy people in this very forum, as much as it pains me to even think it, let alone say it. This seems like more of an impractical dream and as wonderful a dream as it is, it's still just a dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+davidcalgary29 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I ship things to people all over the world during Secret Santa time...and not just on this forum! I'm not concerned with getting anything in return but the hope that someone's going to get more use out of an item. I've given away many items in the past, and those things have just gone to one person. With something like this, more people can get to use it. I'll post a list of items I'm willing to ship this weekend or next week when the Christmas rush has settled down. I have a modded XL that can be loaned out, a boxed XC12, and tons of cartridges. I also have a boxed ST sitting around, two 7800 units that are, literally, collecting dust, and an A/V modded 5200 unit, lots of CV games, and lots of cables and controllers. A few simple rules could greatly reduce trouble: -no loans to anyone who has less than a six-month presence and fewer than 100 (real) posts; -An understanding that any item lent (and any item returned) may not be working when returned to the original owner; -An understanding that items can get lost in the mail, and that borrowers are not responsible for any financial loss incurred by the lender; -all items mailed must be accompanied by a tracking number (and, hopefully, postal insurance). -any item can be taken out of circulation by the owner at any time. If more than one person (ie. me) is interested in this, perhaps we could make it a sub-forum or a sticky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, davidcalgary29 said: I ship things to people all over the world during Secret Santa time...and not just on this forum! I'm not concerned with getting anything in return but the hope that someone's going to get more use out of an item. I've given away many items in the past, and those things have just gone to one person. With something like this, more people can get to use it. I'll post a list of items I'm willing to ship this weekend or next week when the Christmas rush has settled down. I have a modded XL that can be loaned out, a boxed XC12, and tons of cartridges. I also have a boxed ST sitting around, two 7800 units that are, literally, collecting dust, and an A/V modded 5200 unit, lots of CV games, and lots of cables and controllers. A few simple rules could greatly reduce trouble: -no loans to anyone who has less than a six-month presence and fewer than 100 (real) posts; -An understanding that any item lent (and any item returned) may not be working when returned to the original owner; -An understanding that items can get lost in the mail, and that borrowers are not responsible for any financial loss incurred by the lender; -all items mailed must be accompanied by a tracking number (and, hopefully, postal insurance). -any item can be taken out of circulation by the owner at any time. If more than one person (ie. me) is interested in this, perhaps we could make it a sub-forum or a sticky. You are a better person than I am. I guess that I've been 'burned' by people I trusted too many times. My hat is off to you davidcalgary29! DavidMil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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