Atari_Bill Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Ok, what shenanigans are going on with this Music Machine listing? I saw this yesterday listed by School Girl for their typical ridiculous price and like normal moved on. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133996062343?hash=item1f32c9a687:g:scUAAOSwLhth45gX Today, I see that it the listing was pulled and now a new listing is out there from completely "different" seller at a much more reasonable price. That seller also has a -1 feedback with a complaint of not sending item. This listing is also using the same exact photos as the previous listing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/363691588435?hash=item54adb53b53:g:0DUAAOSweC1h3w30 Is this a case of a scammer stealing photos from the other listing maybe? Not sure what to make of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 The second listing has been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjunior Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Ugh, where to begin..... Well, it started about mid-week. The blue plaid background MM photo appeared in a few Facebook groups by a FB user Vito Montana. The FB profile was sketchy af and several (most of us) called it a scammer. I decided to play the game and "purchased" it Thursday evening. I used PayPal Goods and Services and the seller within minutes was trying to get me to "confirm reception" so he could get the money "to buy packing materials". Within minutes of accepting my money another AA forum member and friend sent an interested message to Vito, low and behold, "yes, it's still available" was the reply. Have since learned there were at least a couple other people who 'bought' the MM cart via FB posts. Every transaction the seller WANTS CashApp, LOL. I continued to work the seller for more info, he sent me a tracking number (trying to circumvent PP G&S limitations) but the tracking number was created some 9 hours BEFORE my purchase. Seller then sent me some QR code that went nowhere. Friday morning I got a PP refund from Vito with the note attached "someone offered more money". Sometime Friday I believe it was it 'sold' thru Mercari and also listed on eBay. Timing is fuzzy but none-the-less the PHOTO has made it's rounds thru every sales avenue getting sold or pulled and relisted within hours. MM was relisted on Mercari [after it was listed as SOLD] and then pulled because seller required CashApp payment in the ad. It was quickly relisted without that verbiage. Vito Montana appears to have connections to a very sketchy eBay seller DRE407 whom I got into with many years ago for selling fake A2600 carts. I think my interactions with them are here on AA forums from those years gone by. Ironically some of the same fake carts are still listed today and DRE407 even calls some eBay user out [not me] in the description for harassment over the fake carts. I don't know if they run in the same ring or Vito just happens to cross paths by pure accident. I don't believe there is any true connections to school girl, I have a gut feeling school girl is a legit seller with insane prices and actually physically possess the items listed. I suspect Vito is simply a good ol fashioned scammer who found the photos and is using them in the listings across all platforms and doesn't own anything. About the negative feedback for the new seller with the MM, well if you look the negative feedback came from SCHOOL GIRL! Which kinda solidifies my suspicions Vito is just a good ol fashioned scammer and SG is a legit seller. I have too many screen shots of the whole mess to back up my 'story' for those of you who are in the pics or GTFO camp. ;) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjunior Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Psionic said: The second listing has been removed. The new eBay account sharpn51 who was selling the cart is no longer a valid seller on eBay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Bill Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, Kenjunior said: Ugh, where to begin..... Well, it started about mid-week. The blue plaid background MM photo appeared in a few Facebook groups by a FB user Vito Montana. The FB profile was sketchy af and several (most of us) called it a scammer. I decided to play the game and "purchased" it Thursday evening. I used PayPal Goods and Services and the seller within minutes was trying to get me to "confirm reception" so he could get the money "to buy packing materials". Within minutes of accepting my money another AA forum member and friend sent an interested message to Vito, low and behold, "yes, it's still available" was the reply. Have since learned there were at least a couple other people who 'bought' the MM cart via FB posts. Every transaction the seller WANTS CashApp, LOL. I continued to work the seller for more info, he sent me a tracking number (trying to circumvent PP G&S limitations) but the tracking number was created some 9 hours BEFORE my purchase. Seller then sent me some QR code that went nowhere. Friday morning I got a PP refund from Vito with the note attached "someone offered more money". Sometime Friday I believe it was it 'sold' thru Mercari and also listed on eBay. Timing is fuzzy but none-the-less the PHOTO has made it's rounds thru every sales avenue getting sold or pulled and relisted within hours. MM was relisted on Mercari [after it was listed as SOLD] and then pulled because seller required CashApp payment in the ad. It was quickly relisted without that verbiage. Vito Montana appears to have connections to a very sketchy eBay seller DRE407 whom I got into with many years ago for selling fake A2600 carts. I think my interactions with them are here on AA forums from those years gone by. Ironically some of the same fake carts are still listed today and DRE407 even calls some eBay user out [not me] in the description for harassment over the fake carts. I don't know if they run in the same ring or Vito just happens to cross paths by pure accident. I don't believe there is any true connections to school girl, I have a gut feeling school girl is a legit seller with insane prices and actually physically possess the items listed. I suspect Vito is simply a good ol fashioned scammer who found the photos and is using them in the listings across all platforms and doesn't own anything. About the negative feedback for the new seller with the MM, well if you look the negative feedback came from SCHOOL GIRL! Which kinda solidifies my suspicions Vito is just a good ol fashioned scammer and SG is a legit seller. I have too many screen shots of the whole mess to back up my 'story' for those of you who are in the pics or GTFO camp. I saw the MM listing on the FB groups as well and on Mercari, but didn’t connect them to this one. I should have known. I thought about buying the Mercari one, but the seller looked sketchy and I didn’t go through with it. The DRE407 seller has been scamming people for ages with his shoddy reproductions. I know his account in a second. As far as School Girl goes, I don’t think they are scammers. I believe they actually have the products they are selling, just pretty clueless on their pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Bill Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 What I don’t understand is that school girl pictures show the fingers cropped out while the other pictures show them fully. Wouldn’t the originals show the fingers and the cropped ones be copies? Something just doesn’t make sense here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjunior Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Atari_Bill said: What I don’t understand is that school girl pictures show the fingers cropped out while the other pictures show them fully. Wouldn’t the originals show the fingers and the cropped ones be copies? Something just doesn’t make sense here? Did SG have the MM carts listed for sale? Crap, I guess I didn't catch that... [I just found it] What if SG "bought" it and was trying to flip it before it ever arrived. Used the photos sent to them (cropped) and listed it on eBay? I'm getting more confused with the connection of SG and sharpn51 now...... Edited January 16, 2022 by Kenjunior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Bill Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Kenjunior said: Did SG have the MM carts listed for sale? Crap, I guess I didn't catch that... [I just found it] What if SG "bought" it and was trying to flip it before it ever arrived. Used the photos sent to them (cropped) and listed it on eBay? I'm getting more confused with the connection of SG and sharpn51 now...... That’s possible I guess. Especially since they left negative feedback about not getting their other item. SG could have bought the FB or Mercari one and posted it immediately for sale. When they realized they weren’t getting it, they pulled down their auction. Could have gone that way, but not exactly ethical selling practices. Edited January 16, 2022 by Atari_Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smith Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I have nothing to add to this thread, except to commend the seller for using good marketing skills in coming up with his/her seller ID name lol! Got that curiosity factor thing going for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeatari1 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 This is Schoolgirl: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjunior Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, joeatari1 said: This is Schoolgirl: You're not wrong I suspect! ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 11:35 AM, Kenjunior said: I have a gut feeling school girl is a legit seller with insane prices and actually physically possess the items listed. I suspect Vito is simply a good ol fashioned scammer who found the photos and is using them in the listings across all platforms and doesn't own anything. About the negative feedback for the new seller with the MM, well if you look the negative feedback came from SCHOOL GIRL! Which kinda solidifies my suspicions Vito is just a good ol fashioned scammer and SG is a legit seller. Schoolgirl aka Anna has been around a LONG time and I've sold stuff to him before. Not intentionally of course, he has a way of winning auctions that people fall asleep/forget to bid. Whenever he won an auction of mine I knew it went for a fraction of its actual value haha. Its been a good many years though since I've actively sold any atari stuff on ebay...all I can say is he always paid asap and I don't remember any problems. On 1/16/2022 at 11:59 AM, Atari_Bill said: As far as School Girl goes, I don’t think they are scammers. I believe they actually have the products they are selling, just pretty clueless on their pricing. Ha! He knows exactly what the stuff is worth, hes just delusional, but yeah, as far as I know he does actually have the stuff... On 1/16/2022 at 12:16 PM, Kenjunior said: What if SG "bought" it and was trying to flip it before it ever arrived. Used the photos sent to them (cropped) and listed it on eBay? I'm getting more confused with the connection of SG and sharpn51 now...... This is likely exactly what happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 14 hours ago, Crazy Climber said: This is likely exactly what happened. I tend to agree. I also have never had a problem with this individual, but he definitely has a habit of listing items for sale before they're in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 From a old thread here at AA in 2013!! "schoolgirl won Ocean City Defender for $9.99 then added it with another game, jacked up the price to $298 and to top it off even used the same picture from the Ocean City Defender auction she won." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Combat Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 In red dead redemption 2 if I did this there would be $100 bounty on my head. Best to lay low for awhile and head to the saloon and drink some ? and flirt with women until it blows over. Mom always told me it’s best to have 1 bird in the saddle bag before trying to make 4 birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowsson Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I bet Koda has a case of these somewhere deep in the massive warehouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, widowsson said: I bet Koda has a case of these somewhere deep in the massive warehouse Enough with Koda already. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, Albert said: Enough with Koda already. ..Al Such nice, bright colors. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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