Beeblebrox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Reading on another thread about copy protection methods over the years made me think of those I found obscure or downright frustrating, involving weird widgets and codecs that came with the games. I'll start off - two in particular spring to mind. The first was Fighter Pilot which came with a little plastic widget/view finder which you could adjust the size of as you held it up to the screen to reveal a code through the lil window, that then needed entering. Man that was hit and miss!!! Another was Kult which IIRC involved a window template codex, some symbols, lots of frustration rotating said symbols and colour matching to match it all up before you could actually load the game. If you misplaced the widgets that was it.. No more gaming!! Any others that had obscure widgets and methods that caused moments of computer rage? List em here. If you have any pics even better. ? Edited March 18, 2022 by Beeblebrox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Dongles And the "Open the manual to page 43, go to the third paragraph and enter the 5th word" method, annoying when you misplaced the manual! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 @Beeblebrox That was lenslok. Bloody useless, if you had a crappy tv, it didnt work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, marauder666 said: @Beeblebrox That was lenslok. Bloody useless, if you had a crappy tv, it didnt work. @marauder666 that was it - awful little widget! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, zzip said: Dongles Had one of those, when I opened it up it had a couple of resistors across the paddle inputs and the values of the resistors removed, all I did was measure the resistors so easy to "break" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+gnusto Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The most annoying to me was non-repro blue. Back then photocopiers were actually what their name said, and they would take a picture instead of scan to duplicate. The nature of the cameras used made them almost blind to blue, particularly lighter shades. So people took to printing manuals that were light blue on dark blue. Which is freaking almost impossible to read even as a human. I can't remember what DOS game it was that did this, but I ended up getting the charts from a swap meet (somebody had transcribed them by hand and then copied that) because it was SO much better than trying to parse the blue mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) I cracked Leaderboard. Wasn't really frustrating or anything though. It had a dongle which would have been fairly easy for anyone to simulate - simultaneous left/right on joystick 2 which could be achieved by holding both buttons on a set of paddles. If they'd have gone for up/down at least it would have made things a little bit harder. Machine Lightning assembler on the C64 was annoying. From memory there was disk protection but the manual was on red paper that was almost the same luma as the ink. I tried to transfer it to tape but the inbuilt binary save would substitute zeros for the assembler program area. That was easily overcome by just doing a routine that copied it to lower memory, then I saved it and adjusted so it loaded to the proper location. The Thorne/EMI cartridge games - no devices and linear layout. But I tried to crack a couple and got nowhere. I don't know how their protection worked - maybe they rendered softsprites to the Rom area or something. Most carts had some indirection to write to the Rom area at worst, but some were more sophisticated. Super Cobra I remember not being able to crack properly. So instead I just added some VBlank code which wrote back the addresses that were being corrupted and it worked. Edited March 19, 2022 by Rybags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 5 hours ago, TGB1718 said: Had one of those, when I opened it up it had a couple of resistors across the paddle inputs and the values of the resistors removed, all I did was measure the resistors so easy to "break" I made my own to replace a missing one in a English tape copy of Leader Board Golf sent to me as a gift from a friend in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Wasn’t AR:The City one of the hard ones? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eflake Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 I about ran my 1050 into the ground and many wasted hours trying to back up my original Ultima 3 disks, could not get it to work. Was playing and swapping out the disks so much the labels started turning dark from my greasy fingers. Wanted to keep the originals from further degradation and play on the backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Westphal Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 5:25 PM, Rybags said: I cracked Leaderboard. Wasn't really frustrating or anything though. It had a dongle which would have been fairly easy for anyone to simulate - simultaneous left/right on joystick 2 which could be achieved by holding both buttons on a set of paddles. If they'd have gone for up/down at least it would have made things a little bit harder. Machine Lightning assembler on the C64 was annoying. From memory there was disk protection but the manual was on red paper that was almost the same luma as the ink. I tried to transfer it to tape but the inbuilt binary save would substitute zeros for the assembler program area. That was easily overcome by just doing a routine that copied it to lower memory, then I saved it and adjusted so it loaded to the proper location. The Thorne/EMI cartridge games - no devices and linear layout. But I tried to crack a couple and got nowhere. I don't know how their protection worked - maybe they rendered softsprites to the Rom area or something. Most carts had some indirection to write to the Rom area at worst, but some were more sophisticated. Super Cobra I remember not being able to crack properly. So instead I just added some VBlank code which wrote back the addresses that were being corrupted and it worked. Excellent! I just recieved a OEM copy of Leaderboard Golf and was wondering what I could do to bypass the dongle ( next to creating my own ). Well timed and much thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 8:43 PM, gnusto said: The most annoying to me was non-repro blue. I remember Colossus Chess had a manual on red paper that was also nigh impossible to photocopy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 It was pretty easy work - from memory just a simple check on PORTA - probably something like: LDA $D300 AND #$F0 CMP #$30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostdragon Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 7:26 PM, Beeblebrox said: @marauder666 that was it - awful little widget! ? Literally the spawn of Satan's loins. Hard enough job to get Fighter Pilot to load on cassette on the 800XL as it was and then to be greeted with this, when your using an RF cable on a crappy little colour portable TV your folks picked up dead cheap... Cruelty, just plain cruelty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Rybags said: It was pretty easy work - from memory just a simple check on PORTA - probably something like: LDA $D300 AND #$F0 CMP #$30 Not that easy. 1. It was in some 30 places 2. more like 0646: 5D D0 D2 EOR $D2D0,X # EOR PORTA (X=$30) 1734: 59 52 D2 EOR $D252,Y # EOR PORTA (Y=$AE) 06BA: 2C 00 D3 BIT PORTA # 13 occurences 4C7F: AD 00 D3 LDA PORTA # 9 occurences 0C88: AF 00 D3 LAX PORTA # 1 occurence 376E: 0D 00 D3 ORA PORTA # 3 occurences 3ABA: 4D 00 D3 EOR PORTA # 1 occurence 1BD9: 2E 00 D3 ROL PORTA # 1 occurence 1F4C: 4E 00 D3 LSR PORTA # 5 occurences 21D2: 6E 00 D3 ROR PORTA # 1 occurence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 OK, I don't recall it being that hard to crack. That would have been around 1986-88 without the benefit of the sort of tools we have today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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