phoboz Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) Some people got a little bit worried when I announced Shadow Kingdom (see below) - Stay calm, I am working on 3D! Unfortunately I had to capture this using smartphone and sound trough headphones. Because 3D games does not run in Atari Jaguar emulators, e.g. I have to run it on a real Jaguar. Apparently you have to wait a lot longer for this 3D game than for the other game I announced. So I wanted to give you something in between: PS. I hope you recognize the ship from the first Atari Jaguar game I made e.g. Wormhole 2000? Edited March 25, 2022 by phoboz 26 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeatari1 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Was that a Klingon Bird of Prey I saw in the video? Lookin good! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoboz Posted March 25, 2022 Author Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, joeatari1 said: Was that a Klingon Bird of Prey I saw in the video? Lookin good! You have to ask @Eternal-Krauser who made the 3D models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefMan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Digging the music 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlidellMan Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I have to admit, that is quite impressive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlynxalot Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Looks cool, looking forward to seeing it develop! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekMD Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 That looks excellent! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Quite cool. Texture mapped objects look sublime. If you can keep the frame rate high this could be a very worthwhile 3d game. Who said 3d has to look ugly on Jag? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag64 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 45 minutes ago, agradeneu said: Quite cool. Texture mapped objects look sublime. If you can keep the frame rate high this could be a very worthwhile 3d game. Who said 3d has to look ugly on Jag? Sam Tramiel, I believe. At least, I assume he said that and felt that to his core based on releases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, Jag64 said: Sam Tramiel, I believe. At least, I assume he said that and felt that to his core based on releases. To give them some credit, they funded AvP and Doom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag64 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I can't even imagine how bad things would have been if the Jaguar hadn't gotten Doom. That was a must. The 32X got a port a week before the Jag's official release (although Atari's distribution channels were already breaking down worldwide by November 1994, so the Atari version didn't land in some US markets until just before Christmas). Super Nintendo got Doom less than a year later, perhaps one of the 5 million nails in the Jaguar's coffin. Parents go to the store in 1995, see SNES with recognizable games (or games in general) at half the price. Doom is there for a console that's nearly 1/3 the price of the Jag at this point. Sam also paid for the right to say Mortal Kombat 3 was coming to the system (even though that was never going to happen). It's important to note that I'm not saying or think that Sam's a drooling moron. He recognized what was absolutely necessary at the bare minimum. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. etc. etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jag64 said: . Doom is there for a console that's nearly 1/3 the price of the Jag at this point. It's also running 1/3 the FPS at best when compared to the Jaguar version. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag64 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 100% correct. It was a miracle they got it crammed onto the machine, even with the SFX chip. I'm not trying to compare the SKUs head to head; simply pointing out how it played out in stores. Frames per second mean very little to the casual consumer buying a console game in the mid-90s. (note "casual," as a reference to not die hard, maybe parents) Checkered Flag proved you could sell a terrible game that moved like a handicapped turtle in molasses... if the only thing people saw were still images. tl;dr: Parents buying games in the 1990s couldn't identify the framerate differences from screenshots on the boxes when going to the store. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOut Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 My wallet can't take this abuse. Seriously though, this looks great. You are a busy guy @phoboz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) "Hover Strike" looked promising... it was the closest thing to Playstation 1 style graphics... very effective use of repetitive texture mapping which was common at the time... And let's not forget "Sky Hammer". Edited March 26, 2022 by philipj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Jag64 said: Checkered Flag proved you could sell a terrible game that moved like a handicapped turtle in molasses... if the only thing people saw were still images. True enough... that game was too choppy and hard to control... one thing I do admire about the game is that it seems to have the biggest 3D environment due to large race tracks... the game seems very modular in nature the was the environment proceeds as you're racing the tracks; it's too bad the game wasn't optimized for speed and playability. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masteries Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Impressive! Looks great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostdragon Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Jag64 said: 100% correct. It was a miracle they got it crammed onto the machine, even with the SFX chip. I'm not trying to compare the SKUs head to head; simply pointing out how it played out in stores. Frames per second mean very little to the casual consumer buying a console game in the mid-90s. (note "casual," as a reference to not die hard, maybe parents) Checkered Flag proved you could sell a terrible game that moved like a handicapped turtle in molasses... if the only thing people saw were still images. tl;dr: Parents buying games in the 1990s couldn't identify the framerate differences from screenshots on the boxes when going to the store. It also featured the cyberdemon and spider demon monsters that weren't in the Jaguar and 32X versions. Whilst not a version of Doom i would personally play, what was achieved was most impressive indeed. With CF, you also had a game on a system starved of new releases, sometimes you'll buy a title, just to have something new to play on your new system If you were a UK Magazine reader at the time, the 72% score from C+VG and 87% from Games World, with 1 of the 4 reviewers favoring it iit over Virtua Racing for its faster car, and having more tracks, you couldn't be blamed for thinking it was worth a shot... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostdragon Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 20 hours ago, phoboz said: Some people got a little bit worried when I announced Shadow Kingdom (see below) - Stay calm, I am working on 3D! Unfortunately I had to capture this using smartphone and sound trough headphones. Because 3D games does not run in Atari Jaguar emulators, e.g. I have to run it on a real Jaguar. Apparently you have to wait a lot longer for this 3D game than for the other game I announced. So I wanted to give you something in between: PS. I hope you recognize the ship from the first Atari Jaguar game I made e.g. Wormhole 2000? Looks and sounds very promising ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainblack Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 This looks great! Do you plan to implement a "back view" feature like Soul Star? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlidellMan Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 The more I think about this game, the more this reminds me of Space Lords. Don't know if that is what you were aiming to replicate with this or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3D! Great idea!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Moss Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 10:50 PM, joeatari1 said: Was that a Klingon Bird of Prey I saw in the video? I could not see anything that looked like a Bird of Prey to me, although it is nice to see someone exploring the Jags 3D capabilities. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saboteur Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 A few questions for phoboz -whats the differnce in performance hit of textured vs non textured models in your experience ? Also, not sure if you experimented, but how much of a hit does gouraud shading impart on performance ? It's great to see how much you've been outputting for the jag. Once you've completed this, will you do a write up of how you did it ( tools used, gotchas to avoid etc... ) as i for one would find it very interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biff Burgertime Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I look forward to following this adventure, wherever it leads! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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