bradhig1 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Anyone know where I can download the games from Compute! Magazine for the apple II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 A user here was collecting/typing them and provided disk images a few years ago. Not sure if they are all there, I just recall this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhig1 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 I found one in issue 53 called Canyon Runner I want to type in ,but I don't know how to use the machine language monitor other then call -151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Compute had its own machine language entry program written in basic. It was published in every issue. Usually near the back of the issue if memory serves me. You need to type that in first, and then you use that to type in the machine language program. As I recall, some ML programs in Compute had a companion basic program as well you also had to type in. Compute also published a basic program to assist in typing in other basic programs that would give you a checksum after entering each line that you could compare to the listing. That should have been published in most issues near the back as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG7PFS Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Here's the magazines: commodore.bombjack.org/generic/magazines/compute/compute.htm He has a link to some of the disks but it looks like they're all Commodore. I tried searching archive.org, but got an error message. Maybe by the time you read this it will be working again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevil'sCompass Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 MLX is the machine language entry program from Compute! Looks like it didn't come into play until around issue 61. Did a quick copy and paste and threw it on a disk image - UTILITY.DSK. There are a few typos on the site below and I think I got them all corrected. Also included are a few other handy programs on the disk. Here's a site that discusses MLX: Apple MLX (atarimagazines.com) The other attached disk image - Key_Perfect_v5.0_1985_Microsparc.do, I believe is the checksum program for Nibble Magazine programs. Key_Perfect_v5.0_1985_Microsparc.do UTILITY.DSK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Huh, I didn't start getting Compute magazines till late 85, early 86. So I didn't realize they published ones where MLX wasn't used. Unfortunately you can't use MLX with these older programs, as MLX expects 9 bytes to be entered per line. Where the first 8 are the program, and the 9th is a checksum that MLX uses to make sure you didn't make a typo. I guess MLX could be modified to only accept 8 bytes and not process the checksum if you wanted to use it instead of the monitor directly. My understanding of how to enter these without MLX is to enter monitor with call -151. Then type in each line as listed and hit return. So as an example: 0800: a1 a2 a3 a4 a5 a6 a7 a8 0808: b1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 b7 b8 etc. Once done, hit Ctrl-C and enter to return to basic. Then you have to issue a bsave command, which requires a name, starting address, and length. So something like BSAVE SAMPLE.ML,A$0800,L$0016 if I were saving the above. I could be off slightly. But for the most part this should be the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevil'sCompass Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Yes, that is how you enter ML programs in the Apple monitor. You can use Ctrl-C plus enter or 3D0G plus enter to return to Applesoft, your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamgroot Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I have a few Compute magazines. And seem to have some that Captain Breakout has not typed in yet. Will upload a disk image when done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhig1 Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 I typed it in but it is bugged and don't know how to check the machine language listing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 While in monitor, you can check each line by typing in <address1>.<address2> and hit return. If you do a range of 8 addresses, it will display them it in a line just like in the magazine. So in my example above, to check the first line, you would type: 0800.0807<return> Then it will print out: 0800- A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 Then if you just hit return at the * prompt, it will display the next 8 values. Check those, press return again and it will display the next 8, etc. You can also do a vertical list of 20 values at a time by typing an address followed by L. So in my example, 8000L<return>. But that may be harder to check against the magazine rather then just hitting enter to step through each line. Depends on how you prefer to view the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhig1 Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 I typed it in but it is bugged and don't know how to check the machine language listing I debugged the machine language several times because every time I ran it some lines kept changing. compute!.dsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhig1 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 I can't get it to work. I have gone over the machine language program again and again and removed most bugs but it says error in machine language when I run the loader program and there are purple lines on the screen and the copter is uncontrollable. Could someone look at it for me? It is from Compute issue 53 compute!.dsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamgroot Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I usually find that the zero with a slash (0), the 8 and the B are very hard to differentiate in the listings with some fonts and cause 99.9% of the errors. Doubly worse is that $8B and 88 are very popular instructions and can be used quite a bit throughout a listing. If we help you then you will never know the pain and suffering some of us went through to type these listings in or the joy in getting it working. :0) What is the game called? It may have already been corrected and working and the listing online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevil'sCompass Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Iamgroot said: If we help you then you will never know the pain and suffering some of us went through to type these listings in or the joy in getting it working. :0) I agree with @Iamgroot however I think we did have it a tiny bit easier. Don't get me wrong, it was still a nightmare just not as bad as it is today. We had the original magazines which may have been clearer than a scan. Plus I always used a ruler or some other straight-edge to keep focus on what line I was typing in. But the ultimate for me was to have a friend reading the lines and switch back and forth who was typing to make it more fun. In reference to what @bradhig1 is trying to get running, Canyon Runner, I can't find it in the usual archives (only found the Atari and Commodore versions). Since I'm recovering from surgery and I'm bored out of my skull, I did a quick pass through the code and found the following lines that need corrected: BLOAD CANYON.ML CALL -151 6030: A0 A0 C1 CC D4 A0 A0 A0 6150: 21 65 20 24 66 20 0A 67 62F8: 8D 0E 60 20 28 63 EE 0D 6508: 8D E3 64 CA D0 E3 A9 7F 65F0: F6 A2 00 88 D0 BB E8 E0 66B0: 6D 0B 60 8D 0B 60 AD 0C 6810: A8 28 28 28 28 28 28 28 6888: 3A 3E 22 26 2A 2E 32 36 68D0: 3A 3E 23 27 2B 2F 33 37 3D0G BSAVE CANYON.ML,A$6000,L$923 Unfortunately, I still missed something because it's still throwing up an error. To save yourself some headaches, modify the basic program while you're debugging so it doesn't try to start every time if there is an error. 120 IF CK<>265976 THEN PRINT"ERROR IN MACHINE LANGUAGE":END Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamgroot Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 The Canyon Runner disk is the 7th post in the link that Nick3092 provided above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevil'sCompass Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Yeah, definitely not worth the trouble of typing in. Pretty boring game, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhig1 Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 I typed it in years ago for the commodore 64 one of my favorites. If we had trouble debugging a program we would print it out. Can it be viewed outside the emulator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) Yes, you can use Cider Press to open the disk image and double click on the ML program you want to debug. It defaults to the //e monitor view, which provides a mostly vertical listing (the same view as in the monitor if you typed something like 6000L<return>). The data will be listed vertically like this (the number of bytes listed in each row depends on the command of those bytes): A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 B1 B2 B3 Or you can choose Hex Dump view, which gives you a horizontal layout with 16 bytes on each line. That is basically putting two lines together from the way the magazine prints it. From Cider Press, you can copy and paste the data to any other program, or print it our from there as well. Edited April 10, 2022 by nick3092 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnusfalkirk Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 I have a folder on my Mac witrh about 40 disks of Compute games. I can turn it into a zip file and email it to you if you' like. magnus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 The Commodore 64 TOSEC has COMPUTE! Magazine disks. I just looked at the latest Apple II TOSEC I have in my collection and it has no COMPUTE! whatsoever. Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnusfalkirk Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I sent the zipped file of Compute! disks to Bradhig1 via a message here on Atari Age, but I'll also go ahead and post it here for anyone else who wants it. There are a little over 40 disk image in the zip file. Compute!.zip 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhig1 Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 I got Horse Racing from issue 53 to work but I don't know if the top rail graphics are correct. Could someone look at it? compute!.dsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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