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Hi everyone!

 

I am attempting to play an Atari 2600 on a modern-day television.

 

Specifically, on the LG - 77" Class CX Series OLED 4K UHD Smart webOS TV

 

Its specs are a little different than your average digital TV, I believe. At least different enough to not be compatible with the recommendations I see for using an upscaler. Because it's not a 60hz TV; it's 120hz. And apparently that causes...interface problems with upscalers most ppl are using. :)  So that's fun, right? LOL....

 

There is also some question as to HDMI being used, tho I am not entirely clear on the reasons associated with that. This model encompasses both HDMI 2.0 as well as HDMI 2.1 (thank goodness)....which other LG OLED models do not. Apparently HDMI 2.0 is getting "phased out"....but this model, thankfully, still allows its use! :D

 

Something else of note....is the "Resolution" with this model. It's listed at 2160p (not 1080p)......is that unusual? I expected it to be 1080p. And since that is double what other models I've seen list, how does that impact use of an upscaler, or even use of an Open Source Scan Converter (OSSC) in this process of getting the Atari 2600 to play (well) on this model of TV? 

Here are the full specs of the TV in question, the one that will be used to play the Atari 2600 on. From the BestBuy website:

 

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Specifications

 

Key Specs

  • Display Type

OLED

  • Resolution

4K (2160p)

  • Screen Size Class

77 inches

  • High Dynamic Range (HDR)

Yes

  • High Dynamic Range Format

Dolby Vision, HDR 10, Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG)

  • Refresh Rate

120Hz

  • Specific Manufacturer Technologies

HDR Dynamic, Tone Mapping Pro, Advanced Contrast Enhancer, Face Enhancing, Ultra Luminance Pro, Billion Rich Colors, True Color Accuracy Pro

  • Smart Platform

webOS

  • Featured Streaming Services

Apple TV+, Paramount+, Crackle, Disney+, Fandango, Google Play Movies & TV, Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, Peacock, Prime Video, Redbox, SHOWTIME, SIRIUS, STARZ, Sling TV, Spotify, Twitch, Vudu, YouTube, YouTube TV, iHeartRadio

  • Number of HDMI Inputs (Total)

4

  • Works With

Amazon Alexa, Apple HomeKit, Google Assistant

  • Voice Assistant Built-in

Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant

 

 

General

  • Product Name

77" Class CX Series OLED 4K UHD Smart webOS TV

  • Brand

LG

  • Model Number

OLED77CXPUA

  • Series

CX Series

  • Model Year

2020

  • Color

Silver

  • Color Category

Silver

 

 

Dimensions

 

  • Product Height With Stand

40.3 inches

  • Product Width

67.8 inches

  • Product Depth With Stand

10.6 inches

  • Product Height Without Stand

39.1 inches

  • Product Depth Without Stand

2.2 inches

  • Product Weight With Stand

79.1 pounds

  • Product Weight Without Stand

58.9 pounds

  • Adjustable Stand Width

No

 

 

Box Dimensions

  • Height

44.5 inches

  • Width

74.6 inches

  • Depth

11.2 inches

 

 

Display

  • Display Type

OLED

  • Resolution

4K (2160p)

  • Screen Size

76.7 inches

  • Screen Size Class

77 inches

  • High Dynamic Range (HDR)

Yes

  • High Dynamic Range Format

Dolby Vision, HDR 10, Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG)

  • Picture Quality Enhancement Technology

Cinema HDR

  • Curved Screen

No

  • Refresh Rate

120Hz

  • Closed Captioning

Yes

  • Language(s) Displayed

English, French, Spanish

  • 3D Technology

No

 

 

Features

  • Remote Control Type

Magic

  • Specific Manufacturer Technologies

HDR Dynamic, Tone Mapping Pro, Advanced Contrast Enhancer, Face Enhancing, Ultra Luminance Pro, Billion Rich Colors, True Color Accuracy Pro

  • Smart Capable

Yes

  • Smart Platform

webOS

  • Featured Streaming Services

Apple TV+, Paramount+, Crackle, Disney+, Fandango, Google Play Movies & TV, Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, Peacock, Prime Video, Redbox, SHOWTIME, SIRIUS, STARZ, Sling TV, Spotify, Twitch, Vudu, YouTube, YouTube TV, iHeartRadio

  • Screen Mirroring

Yes

  • Screen Mirroring Technology

Miracast

  • Indoor Or Outdoor Use

Indoor

  • Text-To-Speech

Yes

  • Video Description

Yes

  • V-Chip

No

  • TV Tuner

Digital

 

 

Connectivity

  • Number of HDMI Inputs (Total)

4

  • Number of HDMI 2.1 Inputs

1

  • Number of HDMI 2.0 Inputs

3

  • HDMI Audio Return Channel (ARC)

Yes

  • Number Of USB Port(s) (Total)

3

  • Number of USB 2.0 Ports

3

  • Ethernet Port(s)

Yes

  • RF Antenna Input

Yes

  • Bluetooth Enabled

Yes

  • Bluetooth Version

5.0

  • Network Compatibility

Built-in Wi-Fi, Ethernet

  • Number of RS-232 Inputs

1

  • Headphone Jack

Yes

  • Number of Digital Optical Audio Outputs

1

  • Number of Component Video Inputs

0

  • Number of Composite Video Inputs

1

  • Number of DVI Inputs

0

 

 

Compatibility

  • VESA Wall Mount Standard

400mm x 200mm

  • Works With

Amazon Alexa, Apple HomeKit, Google Assistant

  • Voice Assistant Built-in

Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant

 

 

Audio

  • Built-In Speakers

Yes

  • Built-in Speaker Type

Front firing

  • Surround Sound Supported

Dolby Atmos, OLED Surround

  • Speaker Output

40 watts

 

 

Power

  • ENERGY STAR Certified

No

  • EPEAT Qualified

No

  • Estimated Annual Operating Cost

38 United States dollars

  • Estimated Annual Electricity Use

313 kilowatt hours

  • Rechargeable Battery (Remote Control)

No

  • Number Of Batteries Required (Remote Control)

2

  • Number of Batteries Included (Remote Control)

2

 

 

Included

  • Stand Included

Yes

  • Cable(s) Included

AC power

 

 

Warranty

  • Manufacturer's Warranty - Parts

1 Year

  • Manufacturer's Warranty - Labor

1 Year

 

 

Other

  • UPC

719192637177

 

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Thoughts on what type of upscaler (if any) or OSSC (if any)......to use to get this done? Really need to play the Atari 2600 on this TV!! Man I hope there is a solution to be found. 

I'm open to any and all suggestions!!! Please let me know what should be used; the things to get and use, etc....even if they are not OSSC or an upscaler. I just want to know how to play Atari again, on a modern TV; how that gets done though eludes me. Pls forgive the n00bishness. <3 

 

Thanks in advance for any and all help! 

 

With appreciation,

froggerchamp

 

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Unfortunately, this TV doesn't have a NTSC tuner, but it does have a composite video input, so if you do an AV mod on your 2600, you should be able to connect it to that. However, the 2600 composite signal isn't always perfect, so it might not be able to stay synced with it.

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You also could get an old VCR with a NTSC tuner and output from it composite into the TV (tune the VCR to the appropriate channel).  Not sure your TV will sync to that but it's easy and cheap (find those old VCR at thrift stores).

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2 hours ago, bcombee said:

Unfortunately, this TV doesn't have a NTSC tuner, but it does have a composite video input, so if you do an AV mod on your 2600, you should be able to connect it to that. However, the 2600 composite signal isn't always perfect, so it might not be able to stay synced with it.

Thanks for the suggestion. I prolly wouldn't be courageous enough to do an AV mod on the 2600......but if I were, where are the directions to do so, a good blog or video you can recommend? Pls keep in mind that I am a n00b at this, still figuring it all out...so the more straightforward/beginner language a source of info has in a blog or manual, the better. Very new to all this.  :D

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1 hour ago, AtariSphinx said:

You also could get an old VCR with a NTSC tuner and output from it composite into the TV (tune the VCR to the appropriate channel).  Not sure your TV will sync to that but it's easy and cheap (find those old VCR at thrift stores).

I've heard abt doing this; saw a video on YouTube that talked abt it. Unfortunately the method/upscaler recommended was not a fit for this TV, which is how I ended up here. The directions in that video are not a perfect fit. 

The VCR workaround you refer to is legit tho, I'm sure. Just have to find a way to "output from it composite into the TV" that works.

 

Pls note: the only way I'm aware of doing something like this.....is via upscaler and "F connector adapter"....but even with that method, I am still (still!) nervous abt it working well. 

 

The good news:

I can find a "VCR with an NTSC tuner" like you mentioned.

The not so good news:

I do not know exactly what equipment would have to be used to "output from it composite into the TV"....or even what that fully means. Cuz I'm a complete n00b at this. :D So, please expand on that, and help me understand the specifics involved (what equipment/cables, etc. would be needed to do that). I assume there has to be a box/cable/etc. involved....which would have to be there, before the VCR can be tuned to the right channel. Right? If so, pls let me know what wires or other gadgets would have to be used along with the "VCR with an NTSC"....what cables or converter things in addition to the VCR will be necessary to get that done.  

 

Biggest wonder:

What I am really wondering abt is if I need an upscaler to do all this. And if I do, where do I find one that works with this particular TV...? All the upscalers I have seen work only with a 60hz TV....this one has 120hz. And....something else I'm wondering: if an OSSC is needed -- at all. Is it? And if so, which OSSC would I need, to work with this particular model of TV? 

 

Thanks again for your help, AtariSphinx. Greatly appreciated! :D

 

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10 hours ago, froggerchamp said:

What I am really wondering abt is if I need an upscaler to do all this. And if I do, where do I find one that works with this particular TV...? All the upscalers I have seen work only with a 60hz TV....this one has 120hz. And....something else I'm wondering: if an OSSC is needed -- at all. Is it? And if so, which OSSC would I need, to work with this particular model of TV? 

First make sure not to confuse 120Hz refresh rate (how fast it redraws the screen) vs the 60Hz in the outlet (in the USA).  Most flat screen TVs are 120Hz so this is not your issue.   The main issue is that your TV does not have an analog TV tuner (NTSC tuner).  This is why you either need to get an external tuner (such as VCR) or as suggested by bcombee user modify the Atari to have composite output (the cable with yellow white red 3 outputs).

 

10 hours ago, froggerchamp said:

not know exactly what equipment would have to be used to "output from it composite into the TV"....or even what that fully means. Cuz I'm a complete n00b at this. :D So, please expand on that, and help me understand the specifics involved (what equipment/cables, etc. would be needed to do that). I assume there has to be a box/cable/etc. involved....which would have to be there, before the VCR can be tuned to the right channel. Right? If so, pls let me know what wires or other gadgets would have to be used along with the "VCR with an NTSC"....what cables or converter things in addition to the VCR will be necessary to get that done.  

Once you have a VCR, you don't need much other equipment.   

 

First connect the Atari to the antenna in coaxial connector in the back of the VCR.   You either need one of those switch boxes that used to come with an Atari or even better is the F connector.    For the F connector you connect that directly to the cable coming out of the Atari then connect that to the back of the VCR as I described above. Make sure to connect to the in not out coaxial on the back of the VCR.

 

Next connect a standard composite cable (one of those cables that have the yellow, white,red wires ) to the back of the VCR.  Connect to the video out as some VCR also have a video in as well).  Connect the other end to the back of the TV (your TV has one of those inputs).  If your VCR does not have a red connector just don't connect that wire

 

Plug in the VCR.  Turn on your TV and change to the composite input on the TV (sometimes called video in the menu).  Now turn on the VCR and using the VCR remote switch the channel on the VCR to either channel 2 or 3 (depends on the switch on your atari if it has one or only 3 of it does not).   You should see snow on the TV.  If you put a cart in Atari and turn it on, you should see the game on the screen.

 

Now how good will it look without an upscaler will be the question.

 

Hope that helps.   There are several YouTube videos that go through this as well.

 

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An old VCR will do, although I'd suggest getting a Sony TU-1041U tuner off eBay (like I mention here) since the components are usually of better quality and it takes up much less space than a VCR. Then plug the 2600's RF into that, then plug the tuner into composite-in + audio on your TV, and let the TV do the scaling. Turn off any aspect ratio stretching (the 2600 was not 16:9), turn off frame interpolation (it can make 2600 graphics look wonky) and put the TV in Game mode for the fastest response time. The picture won't be crisp, but it should work, and it's probably the simplest way to get something working. As I mentioned in that blog article, the better RF cables you use, the cleaner your picture will be.

 

To get a really clean picture, you need to mod your console (or have someone do it for you). S-Video is better than composite, but TVs don't come with S-Video inputs anymore, so you'd need a scaler. Component or RGB can look better than S-Video, but S-Video mods are easier to come by, and S-Video (or more specifically Y/C) is actually how the 2600 natively outputs video anyway. For scaling to HDMI, I've heard the RetroTINK 5X-Pro is a very good scaler, but I've never used one.

 

If you don't care about using actual cartridges (or genuine original hardware), you can get a RetroN 77 and load the latest community build of Stella on it. Support for physical cartridges is minimal, but pretty-much every 2600 game can be loaded onto a microSD card and be played that way in razor-sharp HDMI via emulation.

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Simple solution, get an old CRT TV and play the games the way they were meant to be played. You won't be happy with the graphics on that huge HD TV.

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On 4/10/2022 at 7:02 PM, Nathan Strum said:

An old VCR will do, although I'd suggest getting a Sony TU-1041U tuner off eBay (like I mention here) since the components are usually of better quality and it takes up much less space than a VCR. Then plug the 2600's RF into that, then plug the tuner into composite-in + audio on your TV, and let the TV do the scaling. Turn off any aspect ratio stretching (the 2600 was not 16:9), turn off frame interpolation (it can make 2600 graphics look wonky) and put the TV in Game mode for the fastest response time. The picture won't be crisp, but it should work, and it's probably the simplest way to get something working. As I mentioned in that blog article, the better RF cables you use, the cleaner your picture will be.

 

To get a really clean picture, you need to mod your console (or have someone do it for you). S-Video is better than composite, but TVs don't come with S-Video inputs anymore, so you'd need a scaler. Component or RGB can look better than S-Video, but S-Video mods are easier to come by, and S-Video (or more specifically Y/C) is actually how the 2600 natively outputs video anyway. For scaling to HDMI, I've heard the RetroTINK 5X-Pro is a very good scaler, but I've never used one.

 

If you don't care about using actual cartridges (or genuine original hardware), you can get a RetroN 77 and load the latest community build of Stella on it. Support for physical cartridges is minimal, but pretty-much every 2600 game can be loaded onto a microSD card and be played that way in razor-sharp HDMI via emulation.

Hoooly crap that is great advice. Thank you so much, Nathan. EPIC blog post!! <3 

So I read through that comment, then looked at the massive epic post you made.....I've had to read it several times to really let it sink in. Thank you! :)


I went to eBay and proceeded to look for a decent Sony TU-1041U tuner; they seem to all be missing cords and remotes and whatnot. So I have a few questions; I hope you don't mind helping me with these. :)

 

 

1.] What are the essential items that this Sony TU-1041U tuner needs, just a power cord and a remote............is that it, or anything else?


2.] How hard is it to find these things -- cords, remotes, etc....? 

3.] And what is the model number for each (cord, remote, etc.)? 

 

4.] Where would I be likely to find the correct OEM power cord and remote....eBay or somewhere else? 

 

5.] Would I be better to WAIT until I find a unit with everything (power cord, remote, etc.).....or should I get the unit FIRST, and look around for all the other stuff?

 

Thanks again for all your wonderful info.....and thanks in advance for any and all help with these questions, Nathan Strum!!!
 

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On 4/9/2022 at 9:39 AM, AtariSphinx said:

First make sure not to confuse 120Hz refresh rate (how fast it redraws the screen) vs the 60Hz in the outlet (in the USA).  Most flat screen TVs are 120Hz so this is not your issue.   The main issue is that your TV does not have an analog TV tuner (NTSC tuner).  This is why you either need to get an external tuner (such as VCR) or as suggested by bcombee user modify the Atari to have composite output (the cable with yellow white red 3 outputs).

 

Once you have a VCR, you don't need much other equipment.   

 

First connect the Atari to the antenna in coaxial connector in the back of the VCR.   You either need one of those switch boxes that used to come with an Atari or even better is the F connector.    For the F connector you connect that directly to the cable coming out of the Atari then connect that to the back of the VCR as I described above. Make sure to connect to the in not out coaxial on the back of the VCR.

 

Next connect a standard composite cable (one of those cables that have the yellow, white,red wires ) to the back of the VCR.  Connect to the video out as some VCR also have a video in as well).  Connect the other end to the back of the TV (your TV has one of those inputs).  If your VCR does not have a red connector just don't connect that wire

 

Plug in the VCR.  Turn on your TV and change to the composite input on the TV (sometimes called video in the menu).  Now turn on the VCR and using the VCR remote switch the channel on the VCR to either channel 2 or 3 (depends on the switch on your atari if it has one or only 3 of it does not).   You should see snow on the TV.  If you put a cart in Atari and turn it on, you should see the game on the screen.

 

Now how good will it look without an upscaler will be the question.

 

Hope that helps.   There are several YouTube videos that go through this as well.

 

Thank you so much, AtariSphinx!

 

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On 4/11/2022 at 4:17 AM, RamrodHare said:

Simple solution, get an old CRT TV and play the games the way they were meant to be played. You won't be happy with the graphics on that huge HD TV.

I wish it was that simple. :D

 

I might, in the future.....but for now, this TV is it. :) 

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16 minutes ago, froggerchamp said:

I wish it was that simple. :D

 

I might, in the future.....but for now, this TV is it. :) 

Old CRTs are dead cheap. Space problems?

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20 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said:

Old CRTs are dead cheap. Space problems?

 

Wellll...primarily that this is a gift. This entire setup...is so I can help my best friend play ATARI again, like we did when we were kids. It's his TV, and this is all being done as a gift for him. :D

And he loves his big TV; as much as he loved his old CRT, we need to make this work for his big-azz TV. :D

Cuz I adore him, really, and want him to be happy. And, before a few life changes are made (I will be moving), I want to play ATARI with him, one last time. <3 

 

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3 hours ago, froggerchamp said:

Hoooly crap that is great advice. Thank you so much, Nathan. EPIC blog post!! ❤️

So I read through that comment, then looked at the massive epic post you made.....I've had to read it several times to really let it sink in. Thank you! :)

You're welcome!

3 hours ago, froggerchamp said:

1.] What are the essential items that this Sony TU-1041U tuner needs, just a power cord and a remote............is that it, or anything else?

You don't need the remote. Once you set it to channel 3 using the buttons on the front of the tuner, you'll never need to touch it again.

 

Otherwise, just a power cable, an RCA to RF adapter (if using the stock Atari RF cable) to go from the 2600 into the tuner, some RCA cables to go from the tuner to the TV and an RCA to BNC adapter, since the video-out on the tuner is actually a BNC connector.

 

Measure first, to make sure you're buying cables that are long enough. ;) 

3 hours ago, froggerchamp said:

3.] And what is the model number for each (cord, remote, etc.)? 

Any standard PC power cord (like this one) will work. Nothing special.

3 hours ago, froggerchamp said:

5.] Would I be better to WAIT until I find a unit with everything (power cord, remote, etc.).....or should I get the unit FIRST, and look around for all the other stuff?

No need to wait. Just buy one that they say has been tested and works (and lets you get a refund if it doesn't). Some models are stereo, some are mono. I'd go with stereo (it won't be "true" stereo, but sound will come out of both speakers rather than just one).

3 hours ago, froggerchamp said:

Thanks again for all your wonderful info.....and thanks in advance for any and all help with these questions, Nathan Strum!!!

Glad to help. Hope it all works!

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5 minutes ago, Nathan Strum said:

No need to wait. Just buy one that they say has been tested and works (and lets you get a refund if it doesn't). Some models are stereo, some are mono. I'd go with stereo (it won't be "true" stereo, but sound will come out of both speakers rather than just one).


AWESOME!!!!

How would I tell if it was "mono" or "stereo"...? I don't see any note on any of these that they are mono or stereo....so how would I be able to tell if the seller does not specify if it's mono or stereo?

THANKS AGAIN!! :D

 

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1 hour ago, froggerchamp said:

How would I tell if it was "mono" or "stereo"...? I don't see any note on any of these that they are mono or stereo....so how would I be able to tell if the seller does not specify if it's mono or stereo?

On the back of the unit, there will be one audio jack if mono:

 

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And two if stereo:

 

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Pretty sure the TU-1041U is stereo-only, and the TU-1040 is mono. But not every eBay seller lists the correct model number :roll: , so be sure they post a photo of the back of the unit they're actually selling.

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27 minutes ago, T.A.P. said:

Is the power cord for them hard to find? All the ones I see on ebay don't include it.

Power cord for what?  A 2600?  Or the tv converters in strum's photos.  Those are standard computer power supply cords.

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1 minute ago, 0078265317 said:

Power cord for what?  A 2600?  Or the tv converters in strum's photos.  Those are standard computer power supply cords.

The TV tuner strum was suggesting.

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1 hour ago, Nathan Strum said:

On the back of the unit, there will be one audio jack if mono:

 

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And two if stereo:

 

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Pretty sure the TU-1041U is stereo-only, and the TU-1040 is mono. But not every eBay seller lists the correct model number :roll: , so be sure they post a photo of the back of the unit they're actually selling.

Atari 2600 is mono only so what does it matter?

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6 hours ago, T.A.P. said:

The TV tuner strum was suggesting.

Yep - that's just a standard power cord, like the one I linked to previously. Easy to find pretty-much anywhere.

6 hours ago, 0078265317 said:

Atari 2600 is mono only so what does it matter?

If you plug a mono audio cable into a stereo TV, the sound only comes out one speaker (unless the TV is smart enough to split it to both channels). Not a deal-breaker, but annoying (you could also use a 'Y' cable to split it, but the resulting signal will be weaker).

6 hours ago, 0078265317 said:

A VCR would do the same thing wouldn't it?

Yep. But the tuners are cheap and much smaller than any VCR. Plus, they're built to a high quality since they were meant to be used as professional equipment. And they look cool. ;) 

 

To each their own, but for RF, I've found the Sony tuner plus a good quality cable to give the best results.

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