PPl who use atariage as a guide in a pal country

[DeV0]

Ok

 

This sought of stuff really pisses me off. Here we have a red label BMX airmaster, Chances are better then none that it is PAL, chances are it came from a thrift store. This game is not I repeat NOT a 10 here in Australia. Last of all the seller has mentioned Atariage as rating it as a 10. Now does a seller need permission from atariage to even mention this? And does he/she think that serious collectors are stupid enough to go by a foreign guide? No offence to AA but we all know some pal and ntsc rarities are very different. And if the seller is a member here you should know better,,,

 

 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...0&category=3528

[YOK-dfa]

I'm pretty sure the seller doesn't need permission to use the rarity info. Only for using copyrighted pictures and information. I think a lot of these problems could be solved if the rarity guide wouldn't default to NTSC only. Just make [All] the default, so first time users could immediately see that there is a difference in rarity between PAL and NTSC

 

Cheers,

Raymond

[UK WOMBLE]

Problem is , there isn't really a rarity guide for pal, the one on here is, to be fair very poor. It is up to those of us in pal - land to create one, in fairness this is an American based site, so they are going to concentrate on their NTSC stuff mostly.

I know someone on here who is talking about creating a pal rarity guide, but this will take a while, its going to take a lot of effort and will be time consuming.

I am sure that if we put an accurate pal rarity guide together atariage would consider using it, as theirs is incomplete (Understatement of the year).

I personally think it would be of invaluable help to the pal collector. I am sure we've all bought pal carts thinking they were rare like the NTSC version, only to realise our mistake later......., or maybe thats just me !!

[DeV0]

Yeah, i'd love to get a PAL list up and running. The problem is the majority of ppl interested (here in Aus) just want it as a guide to sell carts on ebay. I only recieved a few honest replies in regards to creating one, I think we may be better without it. I guess im hoping for a blatantly obvious font size 3000 stating that AA is mainly NTSC.

 

I do love the AA guide so i hope no-one expects otherwise. I guess i get a little pissed at people taking others for a con.

[Spirantho]

Well, I`m up for helping with a PAL guide as much as possible. There's so many undocumented carts out there which no-one in the US cares about (<sniff!> poor unwanted PAL carts!). One certainly needs to be done, I believe.... not a small task but if we all try...

[Xevious]

Well, I`m up for helping with a PAL guide as much as possible.  There's so many undocumented carts out there which no-one in the US cares about ( poor unwanted PAL carts!).  One certainly needs to be done, I believe.... not a small task but if we all try...

 

Another here willing to help. Been on an Atari collecting hiatus (about 10 years ), but back collecting again, and willing to help with scans/pictures etc, if I can.

[+Mitch]

I think part of the problem is that the regional rarity difference in PAL countries is greater than in NTSC countries. What may be a 8 in the UK may be a 4 in Germany and a 2 in Australia. So how would you decide the final rating, average it out?

 

Mitch

[UK WOMBLE]

Mitch - I think spirantho was looking to log every pal cart that appeared on ebay over a period of time, not looking at rarity in different places, but actually a pal cart's rarity overall. Afterall, pal carts turn up in the US, but although they're sometimes probably rare over there, they aren't necessarily rare here, its just that you mostly buy ntsc as its your local version.

 

The aim has to be to see how often every pal game turns up for sale, whatever location that may be in.

 

I think this is probably the best way, but very time consuming and tricky. So many questions, how do you tell 100% whats pal and whats not ? If you listened to half the sellers on ebay you would think 90 percent of whats about is ntsc !! But we know thats not the case, so it will be very difficult to do with a degree of accuracy, especially with the big cart lots, as they may be mixed pal and ntsc, if I sold mine off I would have both, as would most UK collectors.

 

Very tricky indeed, but certainly worth a crack

 

 

Si

[sku_u]

Well, I`m up for helping with a PAL guide as much as possible.  There's so many undocumented carts out there which no-one in the US cares about ( poor unwanted PAL carts!).  One certainly needs to be done, I believe.... not a small task but if we all try...

 

There are a few collectors here in the US interested in learning more about PAL carts, me being one.

 

Why not do it by region (as was already alluded to):

 

UK

Mainland Europe

Australia

 

for starters?

[DeV0]

All australian stuff was the same as UK and maybe europe until the arrival of HES. So it wouldnt be hard for the official PAL and "international" releases.

 

I can say that Bomb carts are more common in europe then here.

 

 

BTW, the seller on the ebay link i left usually sells top quality stuff with an honest blurb. I think this was maybe just a slip up?? Anyhoo we all get the point though right?

[Spirantho]

I don`t think we _can_ do it by region as there's too much crosstalk.

 

For instance, I recently forked out a whopping £3.40 for a completely new River Raid II from Telegames. I`m in the UK, Telegames are in the UK, but the game says "Proudly made in Australia by HES". It would just be impossible.

 

What we need is the rarity of the cart itself, partly because it's impossible to regionalise, and partly because it wouldn`d be worthwhile anyway. These days, because of the internet, it's just as easy to buy from Australia as it is from Britain - I bought a Bumper Bash from Australia because although the cart is more common (it's not really common, even in PAL form, but not very rare) it's only more common in Australia. It's rather rare up here. There's a few more in Germany and places, but Australia is the best place for Spectravideo carts.

 

Ideally we need a rarity for _every_ distinct cart, but the origin of the cart is of no consequence as you can`t tell what it was anyway!

As far as I can see, the only way to do this is to watch eBay like a hawk and make a note of how many of each cart is sold. The difficulty lies in badly described lots, of course.... hence why it's a massive undertaking.

[IBP]

This is in a thread in the rarity guide board but it also relates to this thread.

 

I have data on ebay for the past 6 months in the UK on every cart that comes up for sale, currently the sample is nearly 7000 carts. Anyone is welcome to see it, use it, whatever.

 

There's not much point in more than one person updating it because I wrote software that does it automatically so it take about 10 minutes a week of my time.

 

The software can easily be used to track every country individually so if anyone from other countries wants to use it give me a PM and I'll send you a copy.

totals_14_10_03.zip

[UK WOMBLE]

I have data on ebay for the past 6 months in the UK on every cart that comes up for sale, currently the sample is nearly 7000 carts. Anyone is welcome to see it, use it, whatever.

 

There's not much point in more than one person updating it because I wrote software that does it automatically so it take about 10 minutes a week of my time.

 

The software can easily be used to track every country individually so if anyone from other countries wants to use it give me a PM and I'll send you a copy.

 

Nice one.

 

Thats cool, I bet Spirantho will be speaking with you soon.

 

If someone does europe, someone in oz, and someone in US for like 3 months or so then we could go through it, separate the pal from the ntsc as best we can, and there you go - pal rarity guide. (Although the cart scans etc... could be a little time consuming and some will be difficult to acquire probably)

 

Would atariage host it though ?

[sack-c0s]

But combat is still a common - even in PAL, right?

[Albert]

Creating a PAL rarity guide has always been problematic, for the reasons stated in this thread. Most PAL carts are going to be hard to find in the US, since they were never released here. Those same carts may be pretty easy to come by in the UK or other parts of Europe or Australia. Even within Europe, the rarity for any given game would deviate between countries. The same problem certainly exists with the NTSC rarity guide, especially for anyone outside of North America.

 

We would like to insert meaningful rarity values for PAL carts, with some type of cavaet explaining how the values were derived. They will be useful as a guide, as long as people understand that they may not be accurate for their particular location. And even then, rarity numbers are generally subjective in nature.

 

We are not in a good position to determine rarity of PAL carts ourselves, so certainly if an effort was put forth to come up with reasonable values for games I'd be willing to put them in the database. It would be useful if such a PAL rarity list was discussed and refined by people in Europe and Australia, and once it's gone through a few passes we could plug those values into the database.

 

And I'd also love to fill all the holes for PAL cartridge scans.

 

..Al

[CPUWIZ]

And I'd also love to fill all the holes for PAL cartridge scans.  

 

..Al

 

I fully agree with your reasoning on the PAL issue and I'd love to see the holes for PAL and PAL-M filled as well.

[IBP]

In some ways determining the rarety of carts in the UK should be easier than a similar task in the US because ebay seems to be the main source of games here in Britain, whereas I get the idea that you guys over the pond tend to do a lot more flea-marketing and thrift-storing.

 

I've not seen atari stuff in a thrift store, flea market or car boot sale in a year of looking specifically for atari stuff.

 

Incidentally, Combat is nowhere near as common as Pacman.

 

Pacman 312

Space Invaders 186

Combat 139

Q*bert 130

Centipede 121

Defender 113

Asteroids 108

Breakout 106

Pole Position 105

Missile Command 93

[UK WOMBLE]

IBP, can't believe your bad luck, I've found a few bits from outside of ebay lately. I know a very good secondhand electronics store in South London which gets Atari stuff in, found it the other week. Got around 50 carts, about 16 of them were boxed as well, paid £50, a couple of scarce pal carts in there like GB 2 and Hero, so not too bad really, not super cheap but certainly better than ebay.

 

Si

[Xevious]

I've not seen atari stuff in a thrift store, flea market or car boot sale in a year of looking specifically for atari stuff.

 

Have to agree. I buy a lot of retro stuff at car boot sales and have found everything apart from Atari carts. None in charity shops either.

 

I've found a few bits from outside of ebay lately. I know a very good secondhand electronics store in South London which gets Atari stuff in, found it the other week. Got around 50 carts, about 16 of them were boxed as well, paid £50, a couple of scarce pal carts in there like GB 2 and Hero, so not too bad really, not super cheap but certainly better than ebay.  

 

 

Is it in Croydon? Never saw any carts anywhere in any Cash Converters or the like.

 

Where ARE all the carts in the UK?

[IBP]

Hey, any UK collectors want to trade stuff?

 

I can personally vouch for the trust-worthiness of Spirantho.

 

My current duplicates list:

 

Adventure

Alpha Beam with Ernie

Battlezone

Bowling

Breakout

Centipede

Championship Soccer

Combat

Crystal Castles

Desert Falcon

E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial

Escape From the Mindmaster

Fishing Derby

Galaxian

Ice Hockey

Jungle Hunt

Pole Position

River Raid II

Robot Tank

Smurf

Space Cavern

Video Pinball

Yars' Revenge

 

Although Alpha Beam is on a promise to Spirantho when he reads his email.

[UK WOMBLE]

Is it in Croydon? Never saw any carts anywhere in any Cash Converters or the like.

 

Where ARE all the carts in the UK?

 

 

Your getting very warm xevious.

 

Question is do I tell you, or am I selfish and keep it to myself ??

 

Answers on a postcard !

 

Si

[Xevious]

 

Your getting very warm xevious.

 

Question is do I tell you, or am I selfish and keep it to myself ??

 

Answers on a postcard !

 

Si

 

Ah, my money's on that shop down the hill then. Can't recall the proper real name, something Electrical.

[UK WOMBLE]

Ah, my money's on that shop down the hill then. Can't recall the proper real name, something Electrical.

 

Dammit !!

 

Where you from then xevious ??

[UK WOMBLE]

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:29 am Post subject:

 

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Ah, my money's on that shop down the hill then. Can't recall the proper real name, something Electrical.

 

Dammit !!

 

Where you from then xevious ??

 

 

Although I will point out the guy is a gamer I think, first time I went in he's talking about Eli's ladder and re release Rubiks cube, not clueless me thinks.... So no blags to be had........

 

Its not you is it xevious ????

[Xevious]

Where you from then xevious ??  

 

 

Although I will point out the guy is a gamer I think, first time I went in he's talking about Eli's ladder and re release Rubiks cube, not clueless me thinks.... So no blags to be had........

 

Its not you is it xevious ????

 

Not guilty. It's not me. I used to live in Croydon about a year ago. I have had a 'discussion' with said owner before, about the high prices on his SNES boxed stuff.

 

I used the word discussion in place of disagreement, obviously.