Albert Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 While working on the Jaguar Rarity List, I realized that we never put in any Jaguar prototypes, of which quite a few exist. What I'd like to do is put together a list of games that were never released, but have been publically demonstrated or are known to exist in some fashion. I'd also like to get screenshots of these games, but please don't send me screenshots unless you have permission to reproduce them. You can always send me a link to a site with screenshots and I'd be glad to contact the site myself to seek permission to use them. I know a good number of Jaguar prototypes have surfaced, so it's time to get them added to the Jaguar Rarity List here on AtariAge while I'm busy making other changes (such as updating the rarity values to reflect not how easy it is to purchase the games new, but the general abundance of various titles relative to others). I'd also like to put together a list of games that were announced in some fashion, were never commercially released, and for which no evidence has been found that they even exist. These can be games listed in catalogs, magazines, press releases, press kits, advertisements, etc. While these games won't be listed in the main listing of games, they will be listed separately. Thanks in advance for everyone's help. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.skid Posted January 28, 2002 Share Posted January 28, 2002 Al, maybe you can start with that Raiden "proto" from yahoo auction Sorry, I'm joking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 28, 2002 Author Share Posted January 28, 2002 quote: Originally posted by t.skid: Al, maybe you can start with that Raiden "proto" from yahoo auction Sorry, I'm joking Ha ha! ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonyjherrera Posted January 29, 2002 Share Posted January 29, 2002 Hmm... there a Spacewar 2000 prototype. Heres an auction on ebay for it. http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.d...item=1328505370 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songbird Posted January 29, 2002 Share Posted January 29, 2002 This applies both to the Lynx and Jaguar flavors of this thread, but by prototypes do you only mean games that have been found on actual cartridges/CDs, games that exist in any form (binary, cartridge, CD), or games that were in development but no one has found the actual game yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someguy Posted January 30, 2002 Share Posted January 30, 2002 I think everyone is a bit upset about this auction because the seller seems to be deliberately misleading in his description. He's clearly hoping some unsuspecting fool will stumble onto the auction, not knowing about B&C replicating this cart for only $60, and bid the reserve price. Personally I don't really care whether I buy a cart that is a replication or not - as long as the seller is "up front" with me and tells me that's exactly what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 30, 2002 Author Share Posted January 30, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Songbird: This applies both to the Lynx and Jaguar flavors of this thread, but by prototypes do you only mean games that have been found on actual cartridges/CDs, games that exist in any form (binary, cartridge, CD), or games that were in development but no one has found the actual game yet? I'd actually like to maintain two separate lists. One list is of prototypes and another of vaporware. I'm defining prototypes as games that were never commercially released but have been discovered in some form (binary, cartridge, CD). Games that have not yet been discovered are going to go onto the Vaporware list, and not be included in the main game listing. There are probably quite a few of these titles, as it's pretty easy to come up with a name for a game and plaster it all over the place, with nothing to show. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 4, 2002 Share Posted February 4, 2002 I can say for certain that CD's for Dante's Inferno and Soul Star exist. I've seen them, but could not play them because they were unencrypted. Tempest [ 02-05-2002: Message edited by: Tempest ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 Prototypes...such a big list... Ones I know to exist: Caves of Fear JagCD (got a copy) Varuna's Forces MPEG JagCD (got one) BHH CD BHH cart IS2 CD (proto...think it's on Justclaws' site?) TRF CD (want one) VVCS cart Phase Zero Ones that may exist Creature Shock CD (well, maybe) Soul Star CD (please! please!) Tiny Toons Highlander 2 CD Highlander 3 CD Highlander 4 CD (ok...after 2 it's more and more dubious) And then all the other stuff like the eprom carts, stereo adaptor, grey/blue controllers, alpines, flashcarts, Stubulated jags, test carts, Cross Products devkit, VR helmets, modems etc etc. Wish I had just one of most of these Still, that's a pretty comprehensive list...any others anyone can add? Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 Albert, I'm curious as to what type of prototypes you are talking about. Do you want prototypes of games that were never released, or do you want prototypes of games that were released also? If you're looking for anything, then know that there is a prototype copy of Alien Vs. Predator out there... As well as possibly some others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 Erk, just read above... never mind... Beyond what was already mentioned, there is a known prototype of Total Carnage. Mortal Kombat 3 was shown at an E3 or CES (forget what) in a playable form, but I don't think a physical prototype has appeared since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 5, 2002 Author Share Posted February 5, 2002 quote: Originally posted by GOAT Dan: Beyond what was already mentioned, there is a known prototype of Total Carnage. Mortal Kombat 3 was shown at an E3 or CES (forget what) in a playable form, but I don't think a physical prototype has appeared since then. I remember reading a review of Total Carnage somewhere, I'll have to look for it (I saw it recently, should have bookmarked the page!) Supposedly one of the best ports of Total Carnage yet. That's one I'd love to get my hands on! Interesting about Mortal Kombat 3. Do any pictures or video exist of this anywhere? ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 I got to play Total Carnage at the CGE and it was pretty good. The graphics looked flawless, but the controls took a bit to get use to (the keypad was used to fire). Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 How was gun control handled in the SNES version? I kinda had the idea it was with A/B/X/Y , like Smash TV... And please, nobody tell me gun control is a locked cabinet Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaData Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 What is this about a (TRF) Thea Realm Fighters CD? As far as I know, it only exists on an Alpine Board and Flash Cart. quote: Originally posted by Stone: Prototypes...such a big list... Ones I know to exist: Caves of Fear JagCD (got a copy) Varuna's Forces MPEG JagCD (got one) BHH CD BHH cart IS2 CD (proto...think it's on Justclaws' site?) TRF CD (want one) VVCS cart Phase Zero Ones that may exist Creature Shock CD (well, maybe) Soul Star CD (please! please!) Tiny Toons Highlander 2 CD Highlander 3 CD Highlander 4 CD (ok...after 2 it's more and more dubious) And then all the other stuff like the eprom carts, stereo adaptor, grey/blue controllers, alpines, flashcarts, Stubulated jags, test carts, Cross Products devkit, VR helmets, modems etc etc. Wish I had just one of most of these Still, that's a pretty comprehensive list...any others anyone can add? Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 Yeah I got to play Thea Realm Fighters at the CGE as well. It was an ok Mortal Kombat clone that was a bit glitchy. As I remember you could play 3 different fighters (maybe 4). Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Adrian M: Ugh! The keypad was used for firing? Granted you would have semi-360 degree firing, but you'd be forced to hold the controller in such an awkward way! Talk about painful! I could see it being difficult to use with the keypad "as is," BUT, it would be pretty easy as far as sliding your fingers over the buttons with a smooth overlay installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaData Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 The Realm Fighters opening sequence has some sort of Japanese lettering in a circle. Sound Effects are noted as a metal wall joins with the circle, from the sides of the screen. The circle flips to reveal the letters "TRF" and then, the metal wall leaves by the top and bottonm of the screen. A new screen with a "HIGH VOLTAGE SOFTWARE" logo is then revealed. By pressing the d-pad to the side, a user is given the choices of TOK, SPARQ, ROYAL MARSHALL, and PRInCE PAK. By pressing the d-pad up and down, you can select from 7 different arenas. The game has limited sound effects with no music. It still has some glitches and can sometimes even freeze-up, as it was still in development stages. There are hints at some potential in some of the simple power-up combinations and VERY nice background graphics and scrolling effects. Unfortunately, this 4MB game has no Artificial Intelligence, so the game can only be played with two-players. Source Code has been indicated as obtainable for a future release, but is not permitted to be used in it's current form. Only the work High Voltage Software owns rights to may be eventually used in a released title. (The ROYAL MARSHALL may be used, but not the live actor's images. Some of the actors are from Mortal Kombat and own rights to their images.) Since source code had been promised over a year ago, and has still not been obtained, it is unlikely to have any kind of public release. High Voltage Software has threatened legal action, should the game be PLAYED at trade show events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Albert, Find any Jaguar event that Carl is at, and you should be able to find a copy of Total Carnage for the Jaguar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian M Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Ugh! The keypad was used for firing? Granted you would have semi-360 degree firing, but you'd be forced to hold the controller in such an awkward way! Talk about painful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 6, 2002 Author Share Posted February 6, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Adrian M: Ugh! The keypad was used for firing? Granted you would have semi-360 degree firing, but you'd be forced to hold the controller in such an awkward way! Talk about painful! Yeah, it does sound like it'd be pretty awkward to use, but maybe not that bad. I don't have a Jaguar controller in front of me (Damn! I knew I should have brought one to work today!), so I can't say for sure. I guess it depends how big your hands are. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 It wasn't all that bad, but it definetly took time to get use to. There may have been some option to change the firing controls, I didn't get a chance to look into that. Carl would know though. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Total carnage: how about making one of those phone-joysticks that were released for mobile users to play Snake? You could stick it over the keypad and use a joystick to control gun direction... OK, I just think up the ideas, it's your job to make them work - get to it dammit! Stone [edit: Just saw Jason's post...I thought TRF *was* on CD, someone offered me a copy a while back, and I thought it was being played on JagFree at JF2k1, I could be wrong though. Carl?] [ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: Stone ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 TRF was on a cartridge, for I played it without the CD attachment for the Jagfest video. The unreleased games are the only surviving footage (*sigh*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Ah. I was under the impression that the JagFree code was on the flash cart in the CD and it was being played off CD. Ah well. Cheers for setting that straight. Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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