atarihq and jag interactive

[pony]

I can't seem to access the site. If I go in at atarihq.com I get some yeah search page. Under jag interactive I get page not found. Is it just me or is it not working.

[Punisher5.0]

They don't work for me either the server is probably down again.

[LinkoVitch]

I can't resolve the domain. So I would guess their DNS servers are down.

 

Does anyone know the IP address of the server?

[JagChris]

I posted about this on JI2 about the troubles I've had getting on there of late. He said there wasn't anything wrong on his end and that it must be my local DNS.

[Gregory DG]

I'm having similar problems. I'm sure it'll get worked out eventually.

 

But really, not much reason to visit JI2 anymore. It's turned into mostly a bitching board for some ex-AAer...

[hobbsc]

I haven't been able to access it at all today if that counts for anything.

[justclaws]

Hello,

 

Well I did see a DNS problem myself yesterday, but I saw that

other people had been posting, but it's quiet anyway since the

most recent flame war died. Sad, for ages, it had been quiet,

but nice there, I'd rather see 1 post a day than 10 arguments!

 

Regarding DNS entry - this is what I get, when I look it up.

Name: www.atarihq.com

Address: 38.113.1.161

 

Therefore, for me, it works, and other people are posting too,

so it would appear to me that it's up. No scripts/data problems.

 

After, or maybe even over Christmas, I'll be implementing two

new things - user profiles, and a moderated version of the board

with a subset of posts. You can then bookmark the "informally"

moderated version, and have just Jaguar discussion. So if you

want the "free speech and flames" version fine, but if you want

to read just a rather nicer flame-free board, minus blocked folk,

or posts, then you can have the nice clean "Jag-Talk" version.

I hope that will satisfy both free-speech, and real Jaguar fans!

 

Cheers,

JustClaws.

[justclaws]

Hello,

 

Another thought... but I feel rude to talk about JI2 on another.

Note the correct URL is:

http://www.atarihq.com/interactive/

 

Incidentally, there is an archive. It's under-wraps for now, but

once available will give per-thread and per-month availability

of most posts (not most flame wars) for the last 14-15 months

since I became the script developer for JI2. Every post you add

is being logged, indexed, and stored in the archive right now,

although the archive will be pruned and some threads removed

where they are not actually about Jaguar - i.e. just flame wars.

 

Key steps for this include the changes to posting messages I did

earlier this week, displaying messages which I did last week, and

a way of compacting the way messages are stored is in the works.

 

I'm getting lots of criticism on the board, and several flames direct

via email, for my efforts to help, but it's not my board, I'm just the

script man, everything is agreed with Keita at AtariHQ, and for me,

the thanks I get from long-time Jaguar fans whom I know and do

respect far outweights the flak I get from newcomers, however.

 

That's not to say all long-term Jag fans like the improvements,

but most people realise JI2 could not continue. Not only did it

break for technical reasons (both server and *mis*user created,)

but for those who don't like it, well they're not forced to visit are

they. It's easy to delete a bookmark, less so a habit though eh?

So if JI2 gets 1 useful post a day, and not 10 useless ones, fine.

 

One of the key factors with the archive is I don't want to dig up

long-dead flame wars, or provide ammunition for new ones from

the past. The useful information is what we wanted to archive...

 

 

Cheers,

JustClaws.

[JagChris]

Wackadoo!

[justclaws]

Wackadoo!

 

Is that the most intelligent & productive response you can give?

If you don't like our efforts, can't you just say so, for discussion?

Perhaps you're saying it's good? If so, please say so directly...

 

Perhaps I'm supposed to take your comment as humour? If so,

I don't find your response amusing, so why don't you just STFU?

 

JustClaws.

[+Sauron]

Keep up the good work JustClaws, I think we all know that you're trying to make JI2 a better place. Thanks!

[JagChris]

Wackadoo!

 

Is that the most intelligent & productive response you can give?

If you don't like our efforts, can't you just say so, for discussion?

Perhaps you're saying it's good? If so, please say so directly...

 

Perhaps I'm supposed to take your comment as humour? If so,

I don't find your response amusing, so why don't you just STFU?

 

JustClaws.

 

Yes, it was meant to be humorous and even with a bit of affection. Sorry JC.

[justclaws]

Yes, it was meant to be humorous and even with a bit of affection. Sorry JC.

OK, no hard feelings then, apology accepted, but I'd like real feedback!

 

I guess it's a cultural thing, I'm English, and prefer a serious approach!

Not that I don't like a joke, but we generally only "joke insult" mates.

I don't know you enough to call you a "mate", UK slang for good friend.

 

Cheers,

JustClaws.

[JagChris]

Yes, it was meant to be humorous and even with a bit of affection. Sorry JC.

OK, no hard feelings then, apology accepted, but I'd like real feedback!

 

I guess it's a cultural thing, I'm English, and prefer a serious approach!

Not that I don't like a joke, but we generally only "joke insult" mates.

I don't know you enough to call you a "mate", UK slang for good friend.

 

Cheers,

JustClaws.

 

Ok, I gotta serious approach for you. I have been having a hell of a time lately getting on your site. However I just realized this new firewall I'm trying out, ZoneAlarm, well new to me anyway, stealths port 113. Would that be a problem in communicating with JI2?

 

I never had these problems with BlackICE. But it doesn't stealth port 113. Just curious.

[JagChris]

Nevermind. I shut the firewall completely off. Didn't make a damn bit of difference.

[justclaws]

Hello!

 

Ok, I gotta serious approach for you.

OK, sorry if I over-reacted before to your "fun" name calling,

but I didn't realise it was in fun, having been flamed recently by

some so-called hard-core Jaguar fans, by email lately.

 

I have been having a hell of a time lately getting on your site. However I just realized this new firewall I'm trying out, ZoneAlarm,  well new to me anyway, stealths port 113. Would that be a problem in communicating with JI2?

No, don't worry, JI2 uses pure HTTP communication, only port 80.

I also use ZoneAlarm (Pro). It's a great product, and isn't an issue.

 

I am certain the problem is DNS related, it seems that the hosting

company AtariHQ use may have some recurring conflict in the DNS.

http://www.usanethosting.com/

Would it be possible for you to try the advice I gave above about

putting in a manual entry to your hosts file, as a one-off test, then

if it works, we know it's DNS related, and I can complain to the

hosting company (with AtariHQ's permission) that there's an issue.

 

Clearly as I have nothing to do with the rest of the AtariHQ site,

just the /interactive/ (oh, and /wwwboard/) then the fact that you

cannot get to anything at AtariHQ definitely indicates that you're

being connected to another system, not the real server. Why is

an interesting issue, your own ISP may have a DNS fault, it may

not be picking up updates, and using cached out-of-date entries.

 

Cheers,

Richard.

[JagChris]

Would it be possible for you to try the advice I gave above about  

putting in a manual entry to your hosts file, as a one-off test, then  

if it works, we know it's DNS related, and I can complain to the  

hosting company (with AtariHQ's permission) that there's an issue

 

I'm sure its very possible. I've just never done that before and am not sure how to go about doing that.

[justclaws]

I'm sure its very possible. I've just never done that before and am not sure how to go about doing that.

Sorry, I thought I'd written full instructions previously, but it appears not.

 

If you are running windows, run Notepad, and edit the file

c:windowssystem32driversetchosts (adjust windows bit to your PC)

and add this line:

38.113.1.16 www.atarihq.com atarihq.com

and save the file.

*** LINUX users should know already, but should "vi /etc/hosts".

*** Macintosh users - I'm not sure right now, but I can check 8.5.

 

Now if you type "ping atarihq.com" it should immediately respond

(but ZoneAlarm may ask if ping should access the Internet - yes, it's

a diagnostic tool for finding out if the/any remote server is available,

***although some systems may deliberately not respond***.)

However, you should see at least see this response, with IP address.

> ping atarihq.com <RETURN>

"Pinging atarihq.com [38.113.1.161] with 32 bytes of data:"

 

You can also run "nslookup" if you're using NT, Win2K/Win2K3, XP.

That means "name service lookup" and you can type:

> nslookup atarihq.com <RETURN>

The response will show your ISP default name server, and then

the IP address of the atarihq.com server. If the ping succeeds,

but the nslookup fails, it means your ISP has no entry for atarihq,

and so it definitely is a DNS error. The hosts file is a local look-up,

and should mean the browser will find the entry regardless of DNS.

 

I hope this helps, and is generally useful regardless of this issue.

Other useful tools to run are "netstat -r", and "tracert" (traceroute)

which indicates the path taken to a remote server, and hop times...

All these system tools (copied from UNIX) need Internet access. :-)

 

Cheers,

JustClaws.

[JagChris]

Thanks JC. As soon as you posted about DNS hosting myself I submitted the question to a couple of help forums and also got extremely helpful instructions and advice on how to accomplish this. I'll be trying this soon and I'll keep you informed how it works.

 

It seems I'm learning a little more every day, and the DNS hosting wasn't the only thing I needed help understanding:

 

Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary: one-off

quote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

British : limited to a single time, occasion, or instance : ONE-SHOT, UNIQUE

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Matthias]

Richard,

 

wasn't able to get to JI2 the whole day ("#400 unresolvable host name"), so i looked at what you wrote in this thread and tried PING and TRACERT:

 

D:DevelopJaguar>ping 38.113.1.161



Ping wird ausgeführt für 38.113.1.161 mit 32 Bytes Daten:



Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.



Ping-Statistik für 38.113.1.161:

   Pakete: Gesendet = 4, Empfangen = 0, Verloren = 4 (100% Verlust),

Ca. Zeitangaben in Millisek.:

   Minimum = 0ms, Maximum =  0ms, Mittelwert =  0ms



D:DevelopJaguar>tracert 38.113.1.161



Route-Verfolgung zu ip38-113-1-161.yourhostingaccount.com [38.113.1.161]

über maximal 30 Abschnitte:



 1   116 ms   110 ms   110 ms  193.158.138.177

 2   113 ms   110 ms   105 ms  212.185.254.222

 3   116 ms   109 ms   113 ms  KS-EB1.KS.DE.net.dtag.de [62.154.11.131]

 4   216 ms   208 ms   205 ms  WAS-E4.WAS.US.NET.DTAG.DE [62.154.14.134]

 5   236 ms   209 ms   205 ms  p0-2.pr01.iad01.atlas.psi.net [154.54.10.9]

 6   210 ms   210 ms   208 ms  p1-2.core01.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2

49]

 7   213 ms   209 ms   209 ms  p15-0.core02.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.2

2]

 8   218 ms   217 ms   215 ms  p6-0.core01.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.82

]

 9   225 ms   222 ms   218 ms  p5-0.core01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.11

7]

10   227 ms   222 ms   218 ms  g49.ba01.b006523-1.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.

28.6.110]

11   223 ms   223 ms   222 ms  Bizland.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.4.190]

12   235 ms   227 ms   271 ms  ip38-113-1-161.yourhostingaccount.com [38.113.1.

161]

13     *        *        *     Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

14     *        *        *     Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

15     *        *        *     Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

16     *        *        *     Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

17     *        *        *     Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

18     *        *        *     Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.

19

D:DevelopJaguar>

 

BTW: Is the AtariHQ-IP .16 or .161 at the end?

Doesn't really matter, both show the same behaviour.

 

Regards

 

Matthias

[Brian R.]

For the record, I can't get AtariHQ, JI2 or the classic gaming forum to come up, either. (as of 12-28-03)

[justclaws]

Hello,

 

Thanks Matthias for the useful diagnostics. I hadn't realised, but

have now verified, that since the server was (apparently) migrated

again to a new platform it no longer responds to ping or traceroute.

The "usanethosting" hosting company apparently took over hosting.

 

For the record, I can't get AtariHQ, JI2 or the classic gaming forum to come up, either. (as of 12-28-03)

That's useful, and in fact if I was using just DNS, from my PC,

I would not be able to contact the server either, today. I'm at

the hosting site, usanethosting URL now, trying to raise a call.

Try this URL instead, for AtariHQ.

http://atarihq.usanethosting.com/

 

Try this URL for the JI-II (Jaguar Interactive II Forum)

http://atarihq.usanethosting.com/interactive/

 

Try this URL for the CGF (Classic Gaming Forum)

http://atarihq.usanethosting.com/wwwboard/

I'll refer them to this URL, last time the server was down following

a server migration, where all the CGI scripts were modified (and

I didn't get told) then they said there wasn't a problem, however.

 

The problem *is* definitely DNS, it get different results myself.

***** From my development server...

> www.atarihq.com

Server:  ns1.maximpact.net

Address:  209.61.217.9

 

Non-authoritative answer:

Name:    www.atarihq.com

Address:  38.113.1.161

 

***** From my Wanadoo.NL connected PC...

> www.atarihq.com

Server:  dns.euro.net

Address:  194.134.5.5

 

DNS request timed out.

   timeout was 2 seconds.

DNS request timed out.

   timeout was 2 seconds.

*** Request to dns.euro.net timed-out

 

So please post your comments about the availability history here.

 

Thanks,

JustClaws.

[Tyrant]

I just had a check and got through to the site just fine, at www.atarihq.com (38.113.1.161) at 5am gmt.

[Gregory DG]

Havn't seen any recent posts about JI2 being hosed... Does anyone know what's going on? Does anyone care...?

[walter_J64bit]

Havn't seen any recent posts about JI2 being hosed... Does anyone know what's going on? Does anyone care...?

 

I don't know but its down as far as I see!