Good news!

[Adrian M]

http://www.polygonmag.com/news/index.php?id=1982

 

[Albert]

LOL, seeing a topic of "Good News!" posted by you in the Modern Gaming forum, I didn't even need to check the message to know what it'd be about..

 

..Al

[Adrian M]

LOL, seeing a topic of "Good News!" posted by you in the Modern Gaming forum, I didn't even need to check the message to know what it'd be about.. <grin>  

 

..Al

 

Hehe! To my credit, I was subtle about it and let the URL do the talking for me.

[HawgWyld]

http://www.polygonmag.com/news/index.php?id=1982

 

 

Wow! They expect the price of a PS2 to drop to $149.99 before long? That is good news!

[Adrian M]

http://www.polygonmag.com/news/index.php?id=1982

 

 

Wow! They expect the price of a PS2 to drop to $149.99 before long? That is good news!

 

Surprised they haven't done it already! As it stands, that aged piece of junk known as PS2 is currently the most expensive console on the market! Death to Sony!!!

[Albert]

Surprised they haven't done it already!  As it stands, that aged piece of junk known as PS2 is currently the most expensive console on the market!  Death to Sony!!!  

 

Even if you don't like Sony, it's good to have competition as it forces all the players in this arena to improve their consoles as much as posssible in each generation. Look what happened when Microsoft won the browser war--they simply let IE stagnate and it's now the worst browser out there of the current offerings. If they won the console war, I doubt we'd see as much progress on the Xbox front either.

 

Plus, Sony has lit a fire under Nintendo because of the PSP, which is great as the Gameboy Advance is a joke as far as what is possible in a portable these days.

 

..Al

[jeepnut24]

Surprised they haven't done it already!  As it stands, that aged piece of junk known as PS2 is currently the most expensive console on the market!  Death to Sony!!!  

 

Even if you don't like Sony, it's good to have competition as it forces all the players in this arena to improve their consoles as much as posssible in each generation. Look what happened when Microsoft won the browser war--they simply let IE stagnate and it's now the worst browser out there of the current offerings. If they won the console war, I doubt we'd see as much progress on the Xbox front either.

 

Plus, Sony has lit a fire under Nintendo because of the PSP, which is great as the Gameboy Advance is a joke as far as what is possible in a portable these days.

 

..Al

 

Well my sentiments on Sony are about the same as Adrian M. Sony needs to stop pushing non standard formats on the public. As for their console, well its good to have the competition and for some the it offers the games they really want to play. I personally am not at all interested in eastern RPGs at all. The beauty of M$ being in the console market, is they are the new comer. They have had to prove their viability. IMHO they have done this already. The made BB the standard, LIVE is phenomonal, DL content is here to stay, and hard drives will be the new standard in game consoles. (Well mass storage at least ) My personal favorite though is custom soundtracks. After 40 hours in a game, the music gets old.

 

The psp will have little impact on the handheld market IMHO. The price will be to high. Who wants to spend $200-$300 on a handheld game machine? Maybe if it was part ipod and part palm-pilot??

[Foxy Cleopatra]

Kind of makes you rethink the surge in GC sales when Nintendo lowered its price.

[liveinabin]

Hmm. I think 'good news' would better constitute better sales of original titles which, of course, isn't happening. It doesn't really matter what console sells the most when you get the same old games on all of them.

[HawgWyld]

What's that, Jeepnut? An MS fan complaining of another company's non-standard formats?

 

That's pretty damned funny.

[Raijin Z]

"Non standard formats" in the PSP's case = copy protection. Do you fucking care if your PSP games can't be used on any other hardware?

[Mr.FoodMonster]

Non-standard?

How about the tiny GC discs that have been burned backwords?

I really, simply, dont understand why people can actually LOVE the xbox so damned much. For one, ITS A FREAKING GAME CONSOLE. Second, there just ISNT the amount of games (and therefore, GOOD games) out for it. GC even has better games for christ sakes. Yes, they do have the HD going for them, but PS2 had it planned from day one, its not like they came up with the idea afterwords. It is a bit too late in the PS2's life to have a HD though, and I'll be the first to tell you.

I knew this would turn into a flamewar

[Raijin Z]

This is hardly a flamewar. In fact, it's the diametric opposite of one.

[Adrian M]

Second, there just ISNT the amount of games (and therefore, GOOD games) out for it.  

 

Last I checked, the XBOX had a larger game library (in the US) than the GC. You can see this for yourself, walk into your nearest Best Buy, EB or Gamestop. Where the XBOX often has 3 or 4 display racks near the front of the store, the GC is lucky to have 2. And that's assuming you want to wade through the usual Pokemon, Digimon and Mary Kate and Ashley GC games before you get to the better stuff.

 

Secondly, just how many games do you need? I see this come up time and time again, yet the same people who argue this point are those who buy about 10 games max for their system over its lifespan. Do you really need a platform with 500 games on it? Chances are very high that you don't since you'll lack the time and funds to fully enjoy them.

 

This "no good games on XBOX" argument is really pointless and unfounded.

[JB]

Non-standard?

How about the tiny GC discs that have been burned backwords?

Urban myth.

They spin hte same direction as everything else.

The format is just wierd enough that a PC can't read it.

 

but PS2 had it planned from day one, its not like they came up with the idea afterwords. It is a bit too late in the PS2's life to have a HD though, and I'll be the first to tell you.

Too bad they kept it a japanese exclusive for so long...

[jeepnut24]

I meant Sony as a whole forces non standard formats on the public. Not the PSP. Look at things like flash media, miniDV, beta max, etc... Not PSP. I totally understand their need for encryption and anti-piracy. I just think they could follow along more with accepted standards.

 

I wont get into the "quality" of game libraries because that is largely subjective. But the XBOX and PS2 both have the GC beaten on shear number of current titles and upcoming titles. The GC continues to loose third party support all the time. If you enjoy the games on the GC, then go for it. I simply have grown tired of playing games with Mario or Zelda in them. I also have no interest in games in the Pokemon/Dragonball Z genre either. The same with remakes of old titles, Twin Snakes, RE, etc... If you like them, more power to you.

 

As for me being a MS fan, thats not true at all, Im only a fan of the XBOX. Simply put, its the most powerful console option at the time. Ill stick with the most powerful next generation. I also see gaming going in the direction that XBOX has taken them with LIVE. MS as a whole has some good practices and some bad practices. MS being in the game market is a good thing though. They took it farther along. You really can't argue with that.

[Shannon]

Non-standard formats by sony

 

memory sticks - they even made a bunch of worthless accessories for these things.

 

beta max

 

MD (mini disc)... great format but proprietary. I was very surprised when they made the newer versions MP3 compatible. Well after I had stopped using mine though.

 

Mini DV

 

The list goes on.

 

Love their monitors though!

[Raijin Z]

beta max

 

Oh my god, you didn't just say that. Betamax was the original, VHS was the successor.

[Major Havoc 2049]

Hmm.  I think 'good news' would better constitute better sales of original titles which, of course, isn't happening.  It doesn't really matter what console sells the most when you get the same old games on all of them.

 

The Xbox has some titles that are selling really well and as of right now, can only be found on the Xbox. Ninja Gaiden and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tommorow. Splinter Cell: Pandora Tommorow is the #1 game in the US and UK right now.

 

Xbox sales also started to pick up before the price drop. As far as I can remember, I think February was the first time I've seen the Xbox sell over the 200,000 mark in a non-launch or Holiday season month( Oct, Nov, Dec).

 

Last month's NPD numbers for the US:

February Hardware Sales

 

PS2: 363,000 [+7% over January sales]

Xbox: 204,000 [+6%]

GCN: 137,000 [+5%]

GBA: 353,000 [+18%]

 

Cumulative Installed Base

 

PS2: 22,958,000

Xbox: 8,187,000

GCN: 7,133,000

GBA: 20,601,000

[Shannon]

beta max

 

Oh my god, you didn't just say that. Betamax was the original, VHS was the successor.

 

Non-standard in that nobody else supported beta max.

 

In fact did sony ever even license it out so other manufacturers could make beta player/recorders?

[jeepnut24]

beta max

 

Oh my god, you didn't just say that. Betamax was the original, VHS was the successor.

 

Yeah, once the industry went with VHS, sony still pushed beta max.

 

The same is true with mini DV.

[Chris++]

It's funny that all of these debates with sales figures and Sony history lessons are irrelevant when compared to the 20+ hours a week I spend in the worlds of my PS2 games.

 

It's an individual taste thing -- a case-by-case basis.

 

Superior/inferior technology seems to be an odd thing to bring up, since it pales in importance to sheer gaming enjoyment (and especially since we all play ancient Atari games).

 

If the PS2 price drops, that IS good news, because I can afford to buy a back-up in case the old one stops working (although I've had it for 3 years and it hasn't given me a single problem, whereas the three PCs I've had in that same amount of time, running Microsoft OSs, have all died or suffered corrupted hard drives).

 

Everyone has a different experience. We should probably all try to respect each other's preferences, since we're going to have to team up against the Brain Police when governmental agencies decide to get strongly involved in gaming-content censorship.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

Last I checked, the XBOX had a larger game library (in the US) than the GC.  

Yes, my main arguement was for PS2, but the GC STILL has a number more of better games (yes, that is opionion, obviously)

Secondly, just how many games do you need? I see this come up time and time again, yet the same people who argue this point are those who buy about 10 games max for their system over its lifespan. Do you really need a platform with 500 games on it? Chances are very high that you don't since you'll lack the time and funds to fully enjoy them.  

More games means more choices mean more good games. I have a library of around 40 games, and there are still atleast 10 games that are out now for PS2 that I'm intrested in. I understand that people like certain types of games, but PS2 has a huge variety of types.

Urban myth.  

They spin hte same direction as everything else.  

The format is just wierd enough that a PC can't read it.

I didnt say they spun a different direction, I said that they are burned the opposite direction. They spin the same, but they are read differently

Simply put, its the most powerful console option at the time. Ill stick with the most powerful next generation. I also see gaming going in the direction that XBOX has taken them with LIVE.

Most power dosnt mean a thing. Look at what website we are at and WHY we are here :wink: Againl, XBOX was not the first gaming system to ever use multiplayer functionality. They have obviously been doing that for PC's FOREVER, and, again, the PS2 had that planned out for the long run. Plus, you dont have to pay for PS2's online functionality (unless the game maker decides to do so)

I'll admit, the XBOX does have some good games. I just like the PS2 a lot more, and all we are doing is getting worked up over what we like better. I know I'm not going to win anyone over, just stating what I think =P

[jeepnut24]

Its the same as car brands and arguing over which is better. As for why Im here and into Atari, that is because I had a PC instead at that time and Im re living what I didn't get to the first time around. I only got to play atari and intellevision at friends houses. They just happen to be fun. As for multiplayer online, the first to truly be succesful console was XBOX. As for paying to play, well Id still pick XBOX because of DL content, updates, dedicated servers, competitions, and soon to be online storage areas for games. LIVE 3.0

[Jasoco]

How is this GOOD news? I already BOUGHT the damn PlayStation 2. I can't get my $30 back NOW!

 

I won't be happy now until the PStwo comes out for $50.

 

beta max

 

Oh my god, you didn't just say that. Betamax was the original, VHS was the successor.

Yeah, once the industry went with VHS, sony still pushed beta max.

Face it, Jeepnut, you lost the argument.