Tempest Posted October 16, 2001 Share Posted October 16, 2001 While I was looking through my 2600 instruction manual collection I noticed that I'm missing some large manuals for some of the early games. By large manual I mean the large white ones, not the small black ones. Do these large manuals exist (I'm assuming most do)? Star Ship Slot Racers Indy 500 Adventure Pele's Soccer 3D Tic-Tac-Toe Basic Programming (I think I have this somewhere) Football miniture golf Human Cannonball (Seen it I think) Sky Diver Superman Golf Video Checkers Flag Capture Codebreaker Video Chess Blackjack Slot Machine I assume I'm just missing them and they really exist. Can someone verify these for me? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 16, 2001 Share Posted October 16, 2001 I know that several of these do, as I've recently scanned nearly all of the 2600 manuals from Atari. However, I'm certain that several of these don't have white counterparts. Here are the ones I personally own. Alex might have a few others in addition to this, if they exist. Adventure Basic Programming Football Indy 500 Pele's (Championship) Soccer Sky Diver Superman I'm very interested in knowing if the others exist so I know whether or not I need to spend time tracking them down for AtariAge's 2600 manual section. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 16, 2001 Author Share Posted October 16, 2001 There may be more questionable ones (Hangman, Basic Math, Brain Games) . I only got through CX-2650 today. Cutting all those backing boards and putting them in bags takes more time than I though. Actually my thumb went numb doing all that cutting! I need one of those slicer gizmos that kids use to cut their fingers off in. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 16, 2001 Share Posted October 16, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Tempest: There may be more questionable ones (Hangman, Basic Math, Brain Games) . I only got through CX-2650 today. Cutting all those backing boards and putting them in bags takes more time than I though. Actually my thumb went numb doing all that cutting! I need one of those slicer gizmos that kids use to cut their fingers off in. You mean a Paper Cutter? I had to stuff hundreds of manuals into those bags, so I know what you're going through. I would have lost my mind if I didn't have a paper cutter. It certainly saved me a considerable amount of time and I was able to cut each of the backing boards to the exact width, in a nice, straight line. As for three manuals you listed above, I do have a white Brain Games manual, but no Hangman or Basic Math. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khryssun Posted October 16, 2001 Share Posted October 16, 2001 For all the games I bought before the "Silver Editions" the carts were sold with the international large white manual (I live in France) (Except for the first space invaders cart I bought where the both manual versions were included) I think the black manual was included "alone" only into the U.S.A. and maybe in G.B. packages. I have to say that the white model we found in Europe is not exactly the same that the U.S. one. It's very similar but it's a 5 sections language manual (English, French, Deutch, Italian, Spanish). So they are BIG manuals. I think the white manuals exist for all the international titles. (I'm not sure for games like Star Ship or Football (not soccer) because I never saw them in international edition) Hope this help. [ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: khryssun ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 16, 2001 Share Posted October 16, 2001 quote: Originally posted by khryssun: I have to say that the white model we found in Europe is not exactly the same that the U.S. one. It's very similar but it's a 5 sections language manual (English, French, Deutch, Italian, Spanish). So they are BIG manuals. I need to get my hands on these someday so I can scan them in and add them to our 2600 manual collection. I have a few of these white international manuals already and you're right, they're pretty thick! Not something I look forward to scanning. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 16, 2001 Author Share Posted October 16, 2001 I had a bunch of those, they mainly came with the 1986 re-relases but since I didn't really care for the Multi-lingual manuals I sold them off. Actually I still don't care for those over-sized black and white manulas. I'd rather have the color white manuals in english. Of course I still have a few sitting around (Pac-Man, Crystal Castles, Combat, Pele Soccer) that I'll probably keep (no sense in getting rid of them if I already have them), but I wouldn't go out of my way to collect them. What I want to know is if these manuals I listed came in the large white color style, not the B&W multi-lingual style. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted October 16, 2001 Share Posted October 16, 2001 Just to solve a mystery ive seen quite a few white Human canonball manuals So they DO exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 16, 2001 Author Share Posted October 16, 2001 The more I think about it, I have seen some color multi-lingual manuals. I was just saying that many of the re-releases came with those multi-lingual manuals as well. I actually have a multi-lingual Crystal Castles manual that's red like the later releases (the game was PAL and the box was like the early silver boxes with the title bar across the front). Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Tempest: What I want to know is if these manuals I listed came in the large white color style, not the B&W multi-lingual style. All the manuals I listed as having in White are of the color variety, not the multi-lingual style. I haven't scanned any of the international manuals I have yet, and probably won't get to them for some time. If you do come across any international manuals, please hang onto them. I'll gladly buy/trade them off you. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khryssun Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Tempest I had a bunch of those, they mainly came with the 1986 re-relases The International manuals I'm talking about don't come from re-releases games : I bought the games before 1983. quote: Originally posted by Tempest Actually I still don't care for those over-sized black and white manulas. The manuals I'am talking about are full colors. They are almost the same as the U.S. manuals but 5 times biggers. quote: Originally posted by Albert I haven't scanned any of the international manuals I have yet, and probably won't get to them for some time. Do you want I scan one to give you an idea ? If you are interested I may scan Berzerk, I think it's the less thick manual I own (30 pages !!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 17, 2001 Share Posted October 17, 2001 quoteThe manuals I'am talking about are full colors. They are almost the same as the U.S. manuals but 5 times biggers. I think I have several International manuals, some are in color and some black & white. Sadly, I'm away from my collection at the moment so I can't verify exactly what I have in this realm.. quoteDo you want I scan one to give you an idea ? If you are interested I may scan Berzerk, I think it's the less thick manual I own (30 pages !!!) Now you know why I haven't scanned any of those manuals yet! When scanning all the Jaguar Manuals, most of which come in three languages, I only scanned the English section. There was at least one manual (Rayman!) that mixed the three languages on each page, so I had to scan every page of that one. No need to scan Berzerk just yet, as I'd like to concentrate on all the English 2600 manuals first. Once all of those are online, then I can concentrate on gathering up international manuals and will take you up on your offer then. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisDJ Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 Just to add very little to this conversation, I can confirm that both slot Racers and Star Ship manuals exist in the large white format as well. Also, there are a number of color multi=lingual manuals out there. I can think of Berzerk, Yar's Revenge, and Defender off the top of my head, and I think I have a Dodge `Em one as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 quote: Originally posted by ElvisDJ: Just to add very little to this conversation, I can confirm that both slot Racers and Star Ship manuals exist in the large white format as well. Also, there are a number of color multi=lingual manuals out there. I can think of Berzerk, Yar's Revenge, and Defender off the top of my head, and I think I have a Dodge `Em one as well... Thanks, this information is great to have. Once Alex and I have exhausted all of our manuals (which we're scanning for AtariAge) it'll be useful to know which Atari manuals we're missing. That's when we can start soliciting others to send in scans. Or just send us the manuals. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari70s Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 hey albert i got close to 150 manuals and there migh be some i got you need and i can scan . the only multi lingo small manual is my Blackjack one and i do have many larger multi lingo ones defender,yarsrevenge , haunted house, warlords and otehrs. let me knwo what types and while styles you need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari70s Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 heres the white big manuals i have Adventure Football Human Cannonball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 quote: Originally posted by atari70s: hey albert i got close to 150 manuals and there migh be some i got you need and i can scan . the only multi lingo small manual is my Blackjack one and i do have many larger multi lingo ones defender,yarsrevenge , haunted house, warlords and otehrs. let me knwo what types and while styles you need Thanks for your offer.. Once we finish going through our manuals, we'll put together a list of the manuals we still need so we can enlist the aid of others to scan the ones we're missing. And of course that'll help me determine which manuals I need for my collection. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parcel Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 Assuming the small black manuals came first(but Im not sure), how long did they last before switching over to the white(or vice versa)? Id like to collect original manuals so some idea of which are original would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khryssun Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 White Manuals with full colors illustrations that exist (I own them) : - Adventure - Berzerk - Defender - Space Invaders - Othello - Pac Man - Missile Command - Yars' Revenge - Basketball - Warlords - Star Raiders - Super Breakout - Asteroids - Combat - Superman - Haunted House - Maze Craze I know they exist, I saw them : - Breakout - Outlaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Tronic: Assuming the small black manuals came first(but Im not sure), how long did they last before switching over to the white(or vice versa)? Id like to collect original manuals so some idea of which are original would help. Excellent question, unfortunately I don't have an excellent answer for you. I believe these white manuals were introduced with the picture labels, which started with Video Pinball. I assume as Atari converted their existing text-label cartridges into a picture-label format, they also created new manuals for them. Some games probably never made the transition to picture label (I don't have time to research exactly which ones at the moment), so they wouldn't have white manuals. I've seen a variation on the black manuals that appear to be the original manuals that shipped with the "gatefold" games (the games with the numbers in the title, like "01 combat"). Nothing major, but different nonetheless. I'll have to scan those as well. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 quote: Originally posted by khryssun: I know they exist, I saw them : - Breakout - Outlaw I own both of these. I have a good collection of white manuals, not just the ones I listed above in response to Tempest's message (I just listed the ones he was looking for there). When I get home tonight I'll compare what I have to your list and see if there are any differences.. Thanks, ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 18, 2001 Author Share Posted October 18, 2001 Missile Command and Video Pinball also exist as small white manuals. They look exactly the same as the large white manuals, but are the size of the small black manuals. Very odd... Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangles66 Posted October 19, 2001 Share Posted October 19, 2001 More on the large white manuals I have in addition to many already named Bowling Demons to Diamonds surround I also have in the same size as the color manuals but in balck and white basketball casino canyon bomber video olympics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 19, 2001 Share Posted October 19, 2001 Okay, after going through all of the White manuals I own, plus the lists everyone else has submitted, here's a consolidated list of confirmed Atari White manuals. These are manuals that accompianed picture-label cartridges. These do not include Atari's later silver-cartridge-label releases which came with white manuals of the same size, but in a completely different style. Adventure (B&W and Color) Asteroids Basic Programming Basketball (B&W and Color) Berzerk Bowling Brain Games (B&W and Color) Breakout Canyon Bomber (B&W) Casino (B&W) Combat Defender Demons to Diamonds Football Haunted House Homerun Human Cannonball Indy 500 Math Gran Prix Maze Craze Missile Command (small and large) Night Driver Othello Outlaw Pac-Man Pele's Championship Soccer Sky Diver Space Invaders (B&W and Color) Space War Star Raiders Street Racer Super Breakout Superman Surround Video Olympics (B&W) Video Pinball (small and large) Warlords Yars' Revenge If anyone has anything to add to this list, I'd love to see it. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari70s Posted October 19, 2001 Share Posted October 19, 2001 all big white manuals i own airseabattle spacewar outlaw superbreakout denfender warlords adventure demons to dimonds backgammon breakout football human cannonball bowling spaceinvaders (b&w) maze craze dodgem missle command ( big and small white manual) surround pacman videopinball ( big and small white manual) asteroids berzerk casino haunted house yars revenge math gran prix these are all my white manuals that are the big ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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