Legions of the Undead - Screens?

[Gunstar]

No, COMPLETELY FINISHED. Get real.

 

Quite honestly I didn't expect anybody to take this so personally. Skyhammer was obviously never released during the Jaguar's lifetime. So why wasn't it released? I can only speculate that it was almost finished. I'm simply comparing LOTU's timeline and Skyhammer's. How far did they make it into LOTU?

 

I'm not taking it personally, I just feel you have the facts wrong and that a lack of good testing and some bugs in a program do not mean it's unfinished. I gave you reasons and examples. but if you refuse to see my logic, it's no skin off my back. I've played the game extensively, I've seen the ending, the game is completely playable from beginning to end, so it's complete. Incomplete games examples are PhaseZero, SpaceWar2K, etc. in my book. But whatever, we can drop it.

 

As far as LOTU is concerned, no one seems to know how far along it made it, probably not as far along as AvP or Skyhammer, or else someone like Songbird would probably have released it by now, after all, Carl was in direct contact with Rebellion while releasing Skyhammer, I'm sure he would've asked about aquiring any other complete or near complete games from them for finishing and/or publishing too. There is a discussion going on over at JS2 about this f=very topic too, as a matter of fact, and JaySmith 2000 has a bunch of info on the project (it was originally being called 'Dungeon') and he has scanned some concept art and maps of the game and posted them on JS2. He's also got the Rebellion proposal to Atari about the game, etc. and he says from the material in his possesion that it appears to have been pretty far along, but the main programmer, Adrew Whitaker was taken off the project and put on AvP to make sure it was done by the deadline, and apparently they never went back to finish LOTU...but who know's at this point, it certarinly would be cool if something surfaced, whether it's a near complete and playable game, or something more like BI/WN, PhaseZero or Space War 2000, it would be fun to check it out. Maybe Carl has been holding out on us...he does still have a "mystery project" listed for the Jaguar on the Songbird page...

[Gunstar]

Oh, and just becuase Skyhammer wasn't released during the Jaguar's lifetime doesn't mean it wasn't released becuase it wasn't finished, there were a LOT of games that just weren't published by Atari that were finished becuase they knew the Jaguar was dying, Atari itself was dying, and they didn't want to throw away any more money that they could pocket and run with on publishing more games for a dead system. The proof is the Telegames titles that were origianlly supposed to be published by Atari, as well as the other Songbird titles besides Skyhammer...unless you think that Iron Soldier 2, Worms, Zero 5, Breakout 2000, World Tour Racing, Towers 2, Soccer Kid, and Hyperforce are all unfinished titles too. Protector WAS unfinished and Carl finished it himself!

[Godzilla]

sky hammer seems pretty damn finished to me. i think it's one of the best Jag games. Rebellion sure did get the most out of the Jag of the era-specific programmers... I remember drooling over those shots in game fan and I still long for that game... that would be awesome if it was carls surprise... we can only hope!

[Hyper_Eye]

If it didn't completely go through the debugging stage I count it as unfinished.  To me Skyhammer is 97% there.  A complete game wouldn't have such obvious crashing bugs.

 

Tempest

 

All I can do is turn to my examples again, Windows crashes a lot more than SkyHammer on me as does GTA: Vice City on the Xbox. So if Skyhammer is only 97% complete, then if I agree to that, I'd have to say that both Windows and Vice City are only 95% complete. I'd also have to take it a step further and declare, according to the cases above, that 95% of ALL software ever released is incomplete to some degree. But I won't. I will say that 95% of all software ever released could have gone through more extensive testing and debugging and have been "polished" some more. You can't have it both ways!

 

Linux never crashes on me but it is never finished.

 

I'd LOVE to switch to LINUX and leave Windows open to the breeze, but I don't have the time or money right now to try and switch over to a new operating system and get software for it when all my software is currently windows based. I intend to do it someday, but right now I have to put up with windows as a necessary evil since I've got so much invested in it and my current computer that operates under it. If someone could direct me to a free LINUX operating system and free internet and word processing software for it, to start, then I could begin the migration to LINUX with at least a dual-partitioned system with Linux on one side and windows on the other...

 

99.9% of Linux distributions and Linux software is free. Here are a few different Linux distributions listed in the order of easiest to install and use to hardest:

 

Lycoris (http://www.lycoris.org)

Mandrake (http://www.mandrakelinux.com)

Suse (http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/index.html)

Fedora Core (http://fedora.redhat.com)

Debian (http://www.debian.org)

Gentoo (http://www.gentoo.org) - This is what I use

LFS (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org) - Build from scratch

 

I would recommend Fedora to first time users. There are tons of Linux distros out there. If you aren't interested in what I have listed then go to linux.org and click distrobutions.

 

As for office software - www.openoffice.org

This is included with most modern distros.

 

I have been using Linux for quite a few years and I have based my career on it. It is what I use at work and it is what I use at home (and yes... I play many games on it, including Doom3.)

[ZylonBane]

sky hammer seems pretty damn finished to me.

It isn't. Save games frequently screw up, and the fourth city is extremely glitchy and crash-prone.

[Gunstar]

sky hammer seems pretty damn finished to me.

It isn't. Save games frequently screw up, and the fourth city is extremely glitchy and crash-prone.

 

uhh, well...that COULD be becuase THERE IS NO FOURTH CITY! Ther are ONLY 3 cities in the game! Once again, just becauase it has some bugs, does NOT mean it isn't finished, and the save feature will work successfully EVERY TIME, IF, you follow this simple proceedure: go into a "mart" whether by transfer or by just flying into it, do what you want to do, that is, buy weapons, upgrades, fuel, etc., then LEAVE the mart BEFORE you save the game and IMMEDIATELY go back into the same mart. Then save it, it will save properly EVERY TIME! TA-DA! Sure the game has bugs, but it's finished, all three cities. It's no flakier when playing it, even on the 3RD level than Xbox's GTA:Vice City is, I have that thing lock up on me constantly and then either have your man or your car start falling through the "world" over and over and over again. Noting like that happens in skyhammer! yes, skyhammer locks up on occasion, but if you save after every mission like I do, or every time you go into a mart, then it's no big deal and I have successfully completed the game! just this past week actually! 3 CITIES, NOT 4! Jericho, San Diablo and Troy...that's it! It's not a well tested and POLISHED game, but it's complete! there are no missing levels or missions, no "partiall" levels and it has a very cool ending! All the menus work, the game is OBVIOUSLY completable, there is NO WAY anyone can say it isn't finished logically. I KNOW, I've FINISHED the COMPLETE game! It's buggy, but that DOES NOT MAKE IT INCOMPLETE! It makes it unpolished and buggy, that's all. Could more have been added? yes. Could it have gotten some of the bugs fixed? yes. I just can't understand your logic.

[Gunstar]

And yes, It IS starting to get PERSONAL now, becuase your guys are out-right implying that I am a LIAR, which I AM NOT. Have YOU finished the game? Do you consider ANY game with bugs in it that may occasionally crash an incomplete game? IF so, then there are a LOT of released games out there for MANY systems that are incomplete...

[ZylonBane]

Geez, fine, the THIRD city then. It's been over a year since I played it.

 

Nonetheless, to me "finished" means "Polished and not buggy". So Zero 5 isn't finished.

[PeterG]

Geez, fine, the THIRD city then. It's been over a year since I played it.

 

Nonetheless, to me "finished" means "Polished and not buggy". So Zero 5 isn't finished.

 

 

Well you are right. Zero 5 isn't finished. The coder himself says in an interview that it was only a beta sold to telegames as a finished product. Too bad.... As far as Skyhammer is concerned I would consider it as finished in the way that all elements are there, it is not that unbalanced as Zero 5 or club drive for that matter. Considering the crashes and save feature we have seen them in other games too which we consider as finished like AvP, Doom and others. Now from this side I think gunstar is right. But from the other side I think a lot of Jaguargames are unfinished meaning that they could have needed some more work done on them.(including skyhammer)

Whatever, I don't think it is a reason to have an argument.

Peter

[Gunstar]

You guys just can't take me that seriously, I'm serious about the fact I feel Skyhammer is finished, but I was just giving you a hard time. I don't really think anyone was accusing me of being a liar and and I'm not really taking it personally. I've been here for like EVER, you guys should really no my sense of humor by now...I'm opinionated, especially when I know I'm right, but it's all in good fun. I LIKE to argue...that's all.

[Serblander]

...you guys should really no my sense of humor by now...I'm opinionated, especially when I know I'm right...

You sure are Gunstar

 

I think for the people who might SERIOUSLY be upset by this 'dissagreement' should really go get a dictionary and check out the meaning of: "semantics", until then, Gunstar is right! But, then again... i know what ZylonBane means by 'not-finished', so... Man, sometimes its hard being a libran - you ALWAYS see things PERFECTLY from ALL sides!

[ZylonBane]

Okay, I have absolutely no idea why I wrote "Zero 5" up there instead of "Skyhammer". Just for the record, I do consider Zero 5 to be a polished, bug-free, highly playable product. (which I've played start to finish on one life, nyah )

 

Guess it's time to crawl back into lurk mode.