Rybags Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Not that my market is a good indication - but I went 400, 600XL then 800XL within 18 months. The 800XL came to less than the combined 600XL + 1064 price by a fair margin. I can't say for sure but I think the 1064 would have cost near $250. From memory I paid somewhere around $500 - $600 for the 800XL in 1984, in fact probably less than 6 months after buying the 600XL. For the original retail price - Compute! magazine archives can be found around the place, they're one of the best ways to get prices of the period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox-1 / mnx Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 In the Analog Computing review of the new 600XL they mention a 48K $100 memory expansion module. For what it's worth... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 "The operating system is flabby but serviceable ..." I used to love reading A.N.A.L.O.G. every month, but looking back at this now, what the hell does that even mean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Spaced Cowboy Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 You can't get full 130XE compatability (ie Antic banking) via PBI on an unmodified 800XL.Maybe not then, but I'm planning on doing it now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Flabby - it's a 6K bloat of the original and the initial impression is that there's not a lot more features for the 60% increase in size. The article is somewhat wrong in praising the OS for inclusion of Basic - it's still a detached, seperate product. And of course the article must have been early days before it was discovered what a steaming turd Rev B really is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox-1 / mnx Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 You need to keep in mind that the 600XL was a brand new product back then. Considering the fact that new XL (software-)possibilities will still be invented today, over 30 years after that review, I think it wasn't a bad attempt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Hello guys I loved ANALOG Computing too, but sometimes the distance between what they said and the truth was humongous. Just read back some of the stuff they wrote about MyDOS. If they would have been a newspaper it would have been called sloppy journalism. Or as they say nowadays: Fake News. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox-1 / mnx Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I think the sloppy journalism (back then) was the result of the lack of information that came with a product. Manufacturers often took facts for granted and don't inform others. If "the others" happened to be the same ones that need to review your product you quickly run into situations like this. I mean, you can't do much if "Atari announced a $100,- 48K module" is all you got and by the time the magazine was printed a properly priced 1064 would already be available, making the article somewhat outdated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Just read back some of the stuff they wrote about MyDOS. I'd be interested to read that with the benefit of hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Hello Jon I'd be interested to read that with the benefit of hindsight. You'll find two of their articles on my MyDOS page. Second line below the first picture. Especially the second file. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Oh wow... l was expecting some criticisms which I might even empathise with, but it's largely bullshit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) In the Analog Computing review of the new 600XL they mention a 48K $100 memory expansion module. For what it's worth... Analog Computing - Issue 15, page 37.jpg "Having a bug-free Basic on board"...... yup.......nice try. It had Rev.B which had the worst Atari Basic bug ever..... for lack of money and software, I typed in a lot of listings.....very regularly the 600XL locked up with no reason.....I sent it back for repair, and it was returned with a Rev.C Basic....took an entire freaking 3 weeks....which felt like 3 months.... The whole topic of this thread is fun. a 6502 has a memory address space of 64K. You can't get any more RAM without bank-switching, which only was introduced with the XE series.... Edited June 17, 2018 by Level42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox-1 / mnx Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 You can't get any more RAM without bank-switching, which only was introduced with the XE series.... The official Atari, yes, but third party bank switched memory expansions, like Mosaic and MagnaRAM, were already around in the early 400/800 era. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Anyone or somebody who knew how to hack 1064 module to make work with 800XL by re-route hack able on daughter card ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Caterpiggle said: Anyone or somebody who knew how to hack 1064 module to make work with 800XL by re-route hack able on daughter card ? Why? The 1064 is designed to be used as 64K main memory which the 800XL already has, not extended memory. The SYSCHECK II is a better option, its RAM can be mapped to replace the internal 64K or as up to 512K of extended RAM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup8pdct Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Caterpiggle said: Anyone or somebody who knew how to hack 1064 module to make work with 800XL by re-route hack able on daughter card ? I have done it for giggles, but requires a lot of work. So TOTALLY NOT worth it. 800xl cannot support the 1064 at all without some serious mods. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 What a bummer ! Why ? Because of Atari Company want to prevent 1064 Module that using on 800XL only 600XL ! They seems wanted to sell out 600XL as well with 1064. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Hello Caterpiggle Using a 1064 on a 800XL is like using the (normal sized) spare tire on your car when the other tires are fine. It changes NOTHING, it just replaces something with something that is exactly the same. Or like typing "Mathy", deleting "Mathy" and then typing "Mathy" in the exact same location, the same font, the same size and the same color. Sincerely Mathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Yeah ... right BUT I just saying Atari company should have not blocked 1064 on 800XL ! Just saying ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 It was designed from the onset to override the system RAM, not supplement it. So, to run on 800XL it's more than just adding the power? I'd have thought maybe it'd just replace the onboard Ram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Plugging it in with the monitor connected may provide an interesting challenge. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin1968 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 8/9/2011 at 2:18 PM, Alphasys said: Have the schematic, not a picture. I would love to get a copy of the schematic if you have it. Thanks, Gavin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Hello Gavin 3 hours ago, Gavin1968 said: I would love to get a copy of the schematic if you have it. Check out my Docs page. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin1968 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Wow! What a great page! Thank you Mathy!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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