NO EXCUSE for not buying a Flashback 2.0

[Shaggy the Atarian]

I think one very convincing point for me to buy it will not only be the fact that it has real 2600 hardware and that I can hack it to add a cart slot so it will be a 2600 with A/V inputs, but that it will have brand new 2600 games on it. You can spend $20-$40 on one new cartridge or $30 on getting several new 2600 games. I think homebrew games help keep the 2600 spirit alive after all these years, and it won't only have homebrews on it but also a few conversions of classic Atari arcade games. After hearing all that, I was sold even though I already have a 2600jr and a 7800. Of course, I just want to support Atari now so they will continue this trend of creating hardware. I'm not sure if many have noticed it yet, but from Curt's own website, atarimuseum.com an interesting comment :

 

In 2004 Atari would make its first return into the console market with the Flashback-1 console, other consoles are on the horizon including Flashback 2.0, a 100% 2600 VCS compatible game console and rumor has it other more powerful consoles based on Atari proprietary chip designs are in the works.

(emphasis added).

 

So support them now so we'll see bigger and better stuff later. We should be happy that the FB1 sold so well even with the negative press, otherwise there most-likely wouldn't be a FB2.

[Clint Thompson]

Sadly I like the look of the older 7800 flashback more then I like this newer 2600 flashback... and like most people here I already own a 'real' 2600 and '7800' but I'm

sure as a gift or if I get it myself I'll be getting this Flashback 2.0 in to add to a spare room in my house for whomever (including myself) to play.

 

I hope they eventually do an 800 on a chip... that would rock in so many ways and include some killer games that made the 800 such a fun machine to own!

 

Also the homebrews will be cool to check out on the FB2.0... then for the ones out there that's into Hacking (or trying to/wanting to) hack the thing... there's always that possibility as well.

 

I'm sure my daughter will be able to play a few games on it with me in a year or 2 time so.... I won't mind it much

[ATARIeric]

@ sidcrowe: You are the official unofficial FB2.0 spokesman Can you get me a discount from the $30ish retail price ? PLEASE!

[Flojomojo]

I think one very convincing point for me to buy it will not only be the fact that it has real 2600 hardware and that I can hack it to add a cart slot so it will be a 2600 with A/V inputs, but that it will have brand new 2600 games on it. You can spend $20-$40 on one new cartridge or $30 on getting several new 2600 games. I think homebrew games help keep the 2600 spirit alive after all these years, and it won't only have homebrews on it but also a few conversions of classic Atari arcade games. After hearing all that, I was sold even though I already have a 2600jr and a 7800. Of course, I just want to support Atari now so they will continue this trend of creating hardware. I'm not sure if many have noticed it yet, but from Curt's own website, atarimuseum.com an interesting comment :

 

In 2004 Atari would make its first return into the console market with the Flashback-1 console, other consoles are on the horizon including Flashback 2.0, a 100% 2600 VCS compatible game console and rumor has it other more powerful consoles based on Atari proprietary chip designs are in the works.

(emphasis added).

 

So support them now so we'll see bigger and better stuff later. We should be happy that the FB1 sold so well even with the negative press, otherwise there most-likely wouldn't be a FB2.

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Your emphasis added makes me yearn for a Jaguar direct-to-tv unit with Tempest 2000, Defender 2000, and Missile Command 3D built in. I'm dreaming again ...

[sidcrowe]

" I think homebrew games help keep the 2600 spirit alive after all these years,"

 

THANNNNK you

 

"@ sidcrowe: You are the official unofficial FB2.0 spokesman Can you get me a discount from the $30ish retail price ? PLEASE!"

 

Still working on mine

[Jess Ragan]

It's cool that Infogrames is releasing an improved version of the Flashback device. I'd actually consider buying one if it weren't for the fact that, well, I already OWN a 2600. Several, in fact!

 

By the way, why is everyone calling Infogrames "Grames"?

 

JR

[Room 34]

The homebrews on it are probably the main thing to interest me. I still have not seen a full game list yet. Is it up here somewhere?

[sidcrowe]

"By the way, why is everyone calling Infogrames "Grames"?"

 

Same reason we call "Return of the Jedi" just "Jedi," once we know what we're referencing.

 

"The homebrews on it are probably the main thing to interest me. I still have not seen a full game list yet. Is it up here somewhere?"

 

AH, there is still hope for you

[ATARIeric]

The homebrews on it are probably the main thing to interest me.  I still have not seen a full game list yet.  Is it up here somewhere?

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Anyone know if the homebrew authors for the FB2.0 are AA members, and also am i supporting them if i were to purchase and how am i supporting them ? Plus will they be hired for the 3.0 or is it "grames" that benefits

[+Cobra Kai]

"And how dare you accuse people you don't even know, who've been here longer than you, of not supporting AA."

 

Show me where I said that. You can support AA just by offfering a hit.

 

Uhg., I've already quoted you once in my previous post, here it is again for you to read:

 

Not interested in homebrews? The idea that people could cook up new games? I guess this FB2 purchase sorta defines one's feelings about the Atari community.

 

You're either passive or active. It takes money to keep this website up, and it took work to produce the FB2. This unit is inexpensive

 

Ok, there's your insinuation that I don't support this website, or the community for that matter. You're being a troll and a jerk by insulting people you don't know just because they don't want what you want. I may remind you that you are the one who asked why people weren't buying it in the first place. You got your answers, now live with it.

Edited May 5, 2005 by Gunstarhero

[sidcrowe]

"Ok, there's your insinuation"

 

An insinuation can only be interpreted. I never said anything like: "YOU don't support this if YOU don't...whatever"

 

Quoting me here:

" this FB2 purchase sorta defines one's feelings about the Atari community."

 

I think it does. You're either happy with your old pile of stuff or you're excited about something new. This new item with a few new things is a great deal and very cheap.

 

Just because you won't buy doesn't mean you're not supporting things. BEFORE you called me a "troll" and a "jerk," I SAID you can support this website with just a hit.

 

Now then, without calling you a name back, may I merely remind you that I can flame with the best of them.

 

My sympathies for anyone who REALLY cannot afford to buy it. But if you can afford it, this purchase increases the chances for more cool stuff, and it costs so little I don't know why an Atari fan could say "no."

 

A nifty package with a low price and some new things with 2 sticks. Who here would NOT want Atari stronger because of it?

[cimerians]

I'd rather just use a real Atari 2600 and a box o' games, but since this time they are trying to attempt something thats more palatable, I'll buy it. I have no idea what they were thinking with the first Atari flashcrap.

 

Anyway, when I do get the 2.0 (to me it will never be real without a cartridge slot), and if the controls are 100% accurate AND the games are 100% accurate, then and only then will I give the unit a thumbs up. Anything else is just not worth it.

 

Like I said, just stick with the real thing, whats the big deal anyway?

 

(unless you love things like this and\or your a hacker)

 

We'll see soon enough.

[Retro Rogue]

You're being a troll and a jerk by insulting people you don't know just because they don't want what you want.

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I'm surprised you didn't apply that reasoning to the guy who said this (which easily could be done):

 

You say they worked hard to bring this to us. They put a few roms that other people programmed years ago into a moulde. Big woop. I dunno, I just really don't see the need for all this hoopla when most of the people on here do indeed love the 2600 and like the real deal. I know I prefer that over this 40-in-1 thing.

 

I think that passage plays the same way. Insulting people he doesn't know, and has no clue what sort of fans they are or passion they have, what care and work they've put in to this and is making sweeping statements before the game list or anything else has been released. Let alone hasn't even seen the console. These "people" took the time to develop and push for reproduction of actual 2600 hardware, which is what's under the hood. These "people" took the time to get new games. These "people" have been working with homebrewers and others to include their games. These "people" have been working their asses off to try and infuse some of the original Atari back in to the "new" one (which by the way, is a seperate entity from that "French" company. They have a stake in it but basicly leave it alone). It just pisses me off to no end when I see some of the statements that have been made by people in this thread. Don't want to buy it, fine. I've seen some good and fair reasons people have given for not wanting to. A good deal of the rest of them have been based on some ridiculous assertions though.

Edited May 5, 2005 by wgungfu

[sidcrowe]

"I'm surprised you didn't apply that reasoning to the guy who said this "

 

I never insulted him, either. He may interpret my comments as insulting, but I did not insult anybody. "Hey boogerhead," is an insult. He said "You're being a troll and a jerk." THOSE are insults.

 

Glad you get it that these "people" put a lot of heart into this project. What does it cost? Peanuts!

 

For yourself or as a gift, or given away as a random act of kindness to the poor.

 

If we help to make it a success, other media picks up on it. I've always said that the graphic style and sound palette of the 2600 is unique.

 

Dated? Yes, but boring and no fun? No

[Zonie]

I look forward to hacking it .. and seeing what features I can add to it.

 

And I can use it in hotel rooms where ever work sends me!

 

Rob Mitchell, Atlanta, GA

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Ditto for me! Just don't forget to take along an RF modulator for the TV's that don't have AV jacks.

Edited May 5, 2005 by Zonie

[Clint Thompson]

Oh I would just die if they made a Jaguar FB unit with built in T2K, D2K and many others. Pop the VLM in there with a audio input and I'd be in heaven!

 

[+Cobra Kai]

You're being a troll and a jerk by insulting people you don't know just because they don't want what you want.

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I'm surprised you didn't apply that reasoning to the guy who said this (which easily could be done):

 

You say they worked hard to bring this to us. They put a few roms that other people programmed years ago into a moulde. Big woop. I dunno, I just really don't see the need for all this hoopla when most of the people on here do indeed love the 2600 and like the real deal. I know I prefer that over this 40-in-1 thing.

 

I think that passage plays the same way. Insulting people he doesn't know, and has no clue what sort of fans they are or passion they have, what care and work they've put in to this and is making sweeping statements before the game list or anything else has been released. Let alone hasn't even seen the console. These "people" took the time to develop and push for reproduction of actual 2600 hardware, which is what's under the hood. These "people" took the time to get new games. These "people" have been working with homebrewers and others to include their games. These "people" have been working their asses off to try and infuse some of the original Atari back in to the "new" one (which by the way, is a seperate entity from that "French" company. They have a stake in it but basicly leave it alone). It just pisses me off to no end when I see some of the statements that have been made by people in this thread. Don't want to buy it, fine. I've seen some good and fair reasons people have given for not wanting to. A good deal of the rest of them have been based on some ridiculous assertions though.

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You haven't seen me say anything bad about people who are buying this thing. You see I believe people can buy whatever they want with their own money, which some of you obviously have a problem with. I could care less if people buy it really, but the question was asked why 'not' to buy it, and my answer was given to the original poster, who in reply states that if you don't buy it you don't support the Atari scene.

[danwinslow]

Sid, I find your attitude on this point to be annoying. Whatever small spark of interest I had for the FB2, you have managed to kill it with your hysterical ranting about how cool it is and how we should buy it and if we don't we hate atari. Personally I wouldn't buy this thing under any circumstances. Why?

 

Just because of this annoying ass thread. How's that for an excuse?

[Flojomojo]

At the risk of stating the obvious and feeding the trolls:

 

People, it's a toy. Buy it if you want it, don't buy it if you don't want it. You are not a better or worse person for making either choice.

 

It's not even released yet, and nobody here has the full list of games. There's absolutely no point to be flinging poo at each other at this point in time.

[danwinslow]

Most of us know that, flojo. Sid does not, apparantly.

[Malc74]

At the risk of stating the obvious and feeding the trolls:

 

People, it's a toy.  Buy it if you want it, don't buy it if you don't want it.  You are not a better or worse person for making either choice.

 

It's not even released yet, and nobody here has the full list of games.  There's absolutely no point to be flinging poo at each other at this point in time.

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Absolutely.

 

This thread has no point whatsoever, apart from being an obvious attempt by a troll to stir people up.

And it's working quite admirably too.

[Shaggy the Atarian]

I think one very convincing point for me to buy it will not only be the fact that it has real 2600 hardware and that I can hack it to add a cart slot so it will be a 2600 with A/V inputs, but that it will have brand new 2600 games on it. You can spend $20-$40 on one new cartridge or $30 on getting several new 2600 games. I think homebrew games help keep the 2600 spirit alive after all these years, and it won't only have homebrews on it but also a few conversions of classic Atari arcade games. After hearing all that, I was sold even though I already have a 2600jr and a 7800. Of course, I just want to support Atari now so they will continue this trend of creating hardware. I'm not sure if many have noticed it yet, but from Curt's own website, atarimuseum.com an interesting comment :

 

In 2004 Atari would make its first return into the console market with the Flashback-1 console, other consoles are on the horizon including Flashback 2.0, a 100% 2600 VCS compatible game console and rumor has it other more powerful consoles based on Atari proprietary chip designs are in the works.

(emphasis added).

 

So support them now so we'll see bigger and better stuff later. We should be happy that the FB1 sold so well even with the negative press, otherwise there most-likely wouldn't be a FB2.

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Your emphasis added makes me yearn for a Jaguar direct-to-tv unit with Tempest 2000, Defender 2000, and Missile Command 3D built in. I'm dreaming again ...

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Yes that would be very cool and imagine if it had network capabilities? There's a thread about this subject (a Jaguar Flashback) over at JS2 right now and T-Bird seems like he'd be interested in including BattleSphere on such a unit. Add that with an enhanced version of Doom (fix the networking bugs and allow for more than 2 players) and that would be the ultimate unit.

[sega saturn x]

Do i think the flash back version 2 sucks? No i think its just another collection of games that i have played or dont care if i ever do. Hombrews dont get me all hot and bothered since i could always buy an official game and pay much much less for it. And will spending 30 dollars break me? No but why buy a system a dont want to support a dead shell of atari? No thanks i will be spending my 30$ on a master ysstem and some agmes this week end and im sure i will enjoy it a lot more.

[sidcrowe]

This thread is worthwhile and fun. The product is so good, I just wanted to posit HOW can we say "no?"

 

"who in reply states that if you don't buy it you don't support the Atari scene."

 

I never "stated" that. You need to figure out what "state" means. This "statement" is all in your mind. I just lobbied for the fact that buying this thing rewards the hard work of people who put their heart into a project. I feel it's so good there's no reason to refuse it. It's called lobbying for a cause.

 

"Whatever small spark of interest I had for the FB2, you have managed to kill it with your hysterical ranting about how cool it is and how we should buy it and if we don't we hate atari. Personally I wouldn't buy this thing under any circumstances. Why? Just because of this annoying ass thread. How's that for an excuse?"

 

Well, what you've written is very childish. You expect me to believe I have the power, with my posts, to completely destroy your decision to have perhaps bought the thing. We both know I can't order you around, so this is a desperate attempt to make me look bad. Not gonna happen, chum.

 

"People, it's a toy. Buy it if you want it, don't buy it if you don't want it. You are not a better or worse person for making either choice."

 

Yeah, it's ALWAYS cute when somebody starts off with "People," as if to be the voice of reason, and then to point attention to the terribly obvious "it's a toy."

 

Good heavens! You've certainly shut me down, haven't you?

 

Yes, dear, we're all aware of the fact it's a toy. In other bulletins, Star Wars is a movie and Homer is a cartoon. Shall I continue? Or do you feel the need to provide any more revelations?

 

"if we don't we hate atari."

 

Never said that. Never said "then you hate Atari" to anyone. Never said it. Keep hitting the bong.

 

"troll"

 

Desperate. The definition of a troll here is someone who doesn't care, isn't into the hobby, or picks fights. I started with a homemade box cover and a POSITIVE argument of how this is a fantastic deal. You're the trolls. You're backing up the one who called me names. You're the trolls. Oh yes, it's true. Now back to my reasonable lobbying for a GREAT product.

 

"No but why buy a system a dont want to support a dead shell of atari?"

 

If we SUPPORT this thing, it COULD lead to even COOLER things later on. Since it costs so LITTLE, you should get it anyway and give it away, so as to STRENGTHEN the influence of Atari. So even if you're not crazy about it, if you want some more cool stuff, you should support it.

 

HOW can you expect this "dead shell" to breathe life again if you won't HELP it when given the chance? I'm not saying anything else. The rest is in your head.

 

Sure, anyone CAN be a part of the Atari community with their pile of old stuff, but I acknowledge that others have worked HARD to bring us something SPECIAL. Repetitive in ways, yes, but in some ways new, and very easy to afford.

 

It's like a political party, in a way. I'm lobbying for it. I offered a healthy challenge, of how can we say "no?"

 

The FB2 is too good to pass up

[sku_u]

The FB2 is too good to pass up   

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You were one of the most outspoken adversaries of the Flashback when it was released. In fact, you joined the site just to bash it. Why the sudden change? So far, Curt's press releases, while professional and flashy, has shown nothing to me that would lead me to buy this unit unless I bought it in a secondary market such as Goodwill.

 

I'll keep my boycott of Infogrames on until I see what they have done to accommodate the homebrewers since I appreciate their creative ability much more than I'll ever appreciate what a corporate giant such as Infogrames has to offer.