Have you picked up your playstation yet?

[COMTARI]

The PSone is beginning to fade from the market and though it is not yet a classic, it probably will be down the road. You can find plenty of used systems, but finding a new system (at least in your local retail stores) will soon be impossible. The PSone is one of those consoles along with the 2600 and the NES that I think really propelled video game history. I believe it ranks 1st in consoles as far as sales and second to Game Boy as far as over all systems. I believe it established the use of digital and cd/dvd technology in gaming. It was not the first system to utilize cd tech, but I think that it established it in the marketplace with consumers. I remember seeing new PSones around Christmas at Walmart, Target, etc, but when I recently decided to get a boxed mint PSone to collect, It took weeks and 3 cities to finially find 2 at a KB toys. They were $49. The clerk said that the last shipments they had recieved were in March and that those had been sitting in the case since then. Now may be the time to pick one up.

[Atarifever]

Although I still have to find some titles that actually make me like the system, the PS1 is going to be remembered as a classic. One day there will be a site like this dedicated to the PS1 (and probably the PS2 and PS3 as well) among classic gaming enthusiests. I think the N64 will probably end up lke the Coleco, with a strong following of people who had them in the day, but with many more people remembering the PS1.

[Atari-Jess]

The Playstation did not age well at all.

 

The graphics are all jaggy and as we go down the road we'll find that

working playstations and working games will be harder and harder to find.

 

Imagine finding stacks of cds in fleamarkets *shudder*

[oldgames]

The Playstation did not age well at all.

 

The graphics are all jaggy and as we go down the road we'll find that

working playstations and working games will be harder and harder to find.

 

Imagine finding stacks of cds in fleamarkets *shudder*

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I think we're already at that point. One of the reasons I've limited my collection to only cartridge systems is that a high percentage of the cd based games and systems I've found at fleamarkets and yard sales don't work. Almost all the cartridge stuff works after cleaning.

 

I'll hang on to the Playstation Dual Shock, PSone, and PS2 that I've picked up really cheap as well as a few games that I enjoy playing, but I no longer buy anything for any CD based systems.

[JB]

The Playstation did not age well at all.

 

The graphics are all jaggy

*cough*2600*cough*

 

Some of the PS1 games are beautiful, in spite of the system's technical shortcomings.

And a lot of them are damn fun, even if they are fugly.

 

 

and as we go down the road we'll find that

working playstations ... will be harder and harder to find.

NES?

 

I do admit that it'll be far worse with the PS than the NES, as you can't easily restore a PS drive as you can an NES connector.

And I find it hard to believe that a cottage industry supplying disk mechs will spring up as it has with the NES, though stranger things have happened.

[Famicoman]

Are you talking about the PS, or PSONE?

[JB]

Are you talking about the PS, or PSONE?

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All of the above?

 

They're the same hardware, one's just a bit prettier.

As far as I know, Sony never made a drive that was designed to hold up.

[Famicoman]

I only ask because of the Topic Title. From a collector standpoint, some of the stuff he said could be interpertated differently for each console.

[JB]

I only ask because of the Topic Title. From a collector standpoint, some of the stuff he said could be interpertated differently for each console.

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Mmm... yah, I suppose.

 

Personally, I'd think the 1000 series'd be the most collectable. Fully-functional, standard AV ports, and OMG RARE because it's had the most time to fail(and by most counts was pretty unreliable to start with).

 

But... *shrugs*

[TuzenTCA]

The 2600 graphics are considered behind the times to the greatest extent possible by today's standard, but there is still a great following of people supporting it and it continues to bring joy to people, be it that they are older than most of today's gamers. Anyway with that run-on statement I wanted to talk about the PS1. I wanted to quote what Atari-Jess, JB and mot of the others said, but if I had this would be a long post with 6 or 7 long quotes, so I didn't and now I have to reiterate the fact.

 

The PS1 has not aged well, and I can get them in excess of 5 systems every time I visit a local flea market or thrift store. With the advent of backward compatibility I feel that these systems will become more so obsolete and loose their collectibility. The PS2 was 95% backwards compatibly with PS1 Games and Hardware as far as I am concerned. I hear the PS3 will be back wards compatible with the PS2 and to what extent I do not know, maybe 100% maybe 80% or maybe somewhere in-between, but what I am saying is, that in these newer days of technology I feel that stuff like the poorly aged PS1 or PSone, what have you, will defiantly fall behind the shelf or threw the cracks as some other poorly aged systems have become.

 

I agree that it will have a large following and may even stumble into the hall of fame of games for its ground-breaking effects on sales with having a Disc drive, and being the first system to do it. However, I feel that with more and more games accepting backwards compatibility as actually playing it first-hand, and sometimes it is; I feel that systems like the Original Playstation will not set in gamer’s minds as well as some would or could have hoped.

 

I also think that paying 49.99 for a boxed system of its latest model is not as appealing as paying 49.99 for a boxed system of the Original Playstation.

 

Just two cents, if it makes any sense.

[spacecadet]

The PSone is beginning to fade from the market and though it is not yet a classic, it probably will be down the road. 

 

(snip)

 

I believe it established the use of digital and cd/dvd technology in gaming. It was not the first system to utilize cd tech, but I think that it established it in the marketplace with consumers.

 

The Sega CD, the Sega Saturn, the NEC PC Engine and probably others all used CD technology before the PS1 and they were pretty mainstream (the PC Engine obviously moreso in Japan, but it was huge there). I don't think you can credit the PS1 with starting this trend.

 

I think people will obviously remember the PS1 in the future as it was a hugely popular system, but it's not aging well and it was not the first or even really the best at anything. It had a lot of great games, but nearly all of its best games have now been re-made or appeared as sequels on newer systems. Given backward compatibility, there is basically no reason to even have a PS1 anymore (unless you're one of the five people that actually has the LCD screen and the battery pack and uses it as a portable system).

 

I think you can make comparisons to the Atari 2600 and there are definitely some parallels there. But the one important difference is that the Atari 2600 introduced a lot of people to video gaming where they had never even known such a thing existed before, whereas the PS1 was just another in what had become a continuing march of new consoles. The 2600 was sort of the Model T of game consoles - not the first, but the first to be truly popular and to bring gaming to the masses. The PS1 is more of a 1976 Chevy Nova - popular at the time, collectable today depending on condition, but not really all that important in the grand scheme of things, and probably not inspiring the same sense of nostalgia. I don't think the PS1 will be as collectable a system as some, especially given some of its pecularities (its unreliability, its ubiquity, the fact that all Sony systems going forward so far are backward compatible).

 

The PS1 was not the first 3D system, it was not the first CD system, it was just another popular system in the 1990's. Most of its games are also really hard to even look at now, and have better versions available today. (This is another difference from the 2600 era, when uniqueness and originality were more prized and most of the games for that system are exclusive to it.) I really don't think the PS1 is going to inspire passion among future collectors for those reasons and others, although it will probably be a system most people have just because it'll likely be cheap and easy to obtain.

 

btw, it's no coincidence, I think, that the Saturn and PC Engine (especially its CD versions) are already more collectable than the PS1... they were produced in fewer numbers and a lot of their best games have never been sequelized or remade. I think they will continue to be more collectable than the PS1 in the future too.

Edited August 7, 2005 by spacecadet

[JB]

The PSone is beginning to fade from the market and though it is not yet a classic, it probably will be down the road. 

 

(snip)

 

I believe it established the use of digital and cd/dvd technology in gaming. It was not the first system to utilize cd tech, but I think that it established it in the marketplace with consumers.

 

The Sega CD, the Sega Saturn, the NEC PC Engine and probably others all used CD technology before the PS1 and they were pretty mainstream (the PC Engine obviously moreso in Japan, but it was huge there). I don't think you can credit the PS1 with starting this trend.

I'd just like to clarify that the PCEngine did NOT use CDs.

The Super CD-ROM add-on FOR the PCEngine used CDs.

And the Duo, which was essentially the NEC version of the Sega CDX, only larger.

 

I think people will obviously remember the PS1 in the future as it was a hugely popular system, but it's not aging well and it was not the first or even really the best at anything. 

Much like the NES.

 

Given backward compatibility, there is basically no reason to even have a PS1 anymore (unless you're one of the five people that actually has the LCD screen and the battery pack and uses it as a portable system).

I'd rather not rely on backwards-compatibility.

Native hardware for the win.

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That and I have a Gameshark that I occasinally use.

 

I think you can make comparisons to the Atari 2600 and there are definitely some parallels there.  But the one important difference is that the Atari 2600 introduced a lot of people to video gaming where they had never even known such a thing existed before, whereas the PS1 was just another in what had become a continuing march of new consoles.  The 2600 was sort of the Model T of game consoles - not the first, but the first to be truly popular and to bring gaming to the masses.  The PS1 is more of a 1976 Chevy Nova - popular at the time, collectable today depending on condition, but not really all that important in the grand scheme of things, and probably not inspiring the same sense of nostalgia. 

The PS1 is like the NES and Genesis. It wasn't the first, but it sparked a massive expansion of the game market, bringing more non-gamers into the market.

 

The PS1 was not the first 3D system, it was not the first CD system, it was just another popular system in the 1990's.

It was also the most popular one of the decade.

 

  Most of its games are also really hard to even look at now, and have better versions available today.  (This is another difference from the 2600 era, when uniqueness and originality were more prized and most of the games for that system are exclusive to it.)

But rather similar to the NES era.

Throw NES games that don't have sequels or ports up, and I will counter with unexploited PS games.

 

I really don't think the PS1 is going to inspire passion among future collectors for those reasons and others, although it will probably be a system most people have just because it'll likely be cheap and easy to obtain.

I think it'll have an NES-style surge down the road, as people get nostalgic.

Though it's hard to say how backwards-compatibility will affect things, I suspect the nostalgia will make people will want the original .

 

btw, it's no coincidence, I think, that the Saturn and PC Engine (especially its CD versions) are already more collectable than the PS1... they were produced in fewer numbers and a lot of their best games have never been sequelized or remade.  I think they will continue to be more collectable than the PS1 in the future too.

It's a diffrent kind of collectability than the PS is going to experience, though.

 

The 7800 and Master System have consistently been more collectable than the NES, too. But the NES had that surge where suddenly everyone had to have one and people were trying to get 20$ for Mario/Duck Hunt.

[cimerians]

I think there is a little Sony Bias afloat mainly because that company is still on top of the business.

 

I have to agree though...the PS1 really exploded the video game world and it will be a classic king alongside the Atari 2600 and the Nintendo Entertainment System.

 

Aging well is a NON issue. It all depends on what game your playing (same goes for the 3DO and the Saturn)

 

I'd rather play Symphony of the Night or Tomba than most games that are out today.

 

Its all a matter taste, but the figures don't lie. That little system will belong up there, its just that as someone before mentioned...the crappy 1000 series will probably be the collectable.

 

(I did pick up a PSone combo with the screen for $45)

[+Omegamatrix]

Although I still have to find some titles that actually make me like the system, the PS1 is going to be remembered as a classic.  One day there will be a site like this dedicated to the PS1 (and probably the PS2 and PS3 as well) among classic gaming enthusiests.  I think the N64 will probably end up lke the Coleco, with a strong following of people who had them in the day, but with many more people remembering the PS1.

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I also believe the PS1 will be remembered as a classic (grainy graphics or not), and maybe even one day there will be a homebrewing community out there swapping shareware for game engines etc. Atarifever I think you got it dead one with the N64 ending up like the Coleco.

[Dr. Morbis]

The 7800 and Master System have consistently been more collectable than the NES, too.

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Can you qualify this statement? Define "collectable". I think you're confusing the word collectable with the word "obscure". Surely you are aware that the NES collecting market absolutely dwarfs the SMS and 7800 collecting market. And this present day collector's market, incidentally, bears an uncanny resemblance to the videogame market of the late 80's.

[JB]

The 7800 and Master System have consistently been more collectable than the NES, too.

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Can you qualify this statement? Define "collectable". I think you're confusing the word collectable with the word "obscure". Surely you are aware that the NES collecting market absolutely dwarfs the SMS and 7800 collecting market. And this present day collector's market, incidentally, bears an uncanny resemblance to the videogame market of the late 80's.

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That was kinda my point.

 

The nostalgia surge hit the NES not too long ago, dreiving prices up and making it collectable instead of general nuisance.

Before the surge, you couldn't take 5 steps without tripping over an NES, colliding into a second one, and falling face down into a third.

[sega saturn x]

I don't think you ever have to worry about finding a used psx/psone system. Since it's never going to be worth over 30$. I don't think that the psx will ever have the same collector and nostalgic value the nes does. For a few reasons one of the most important is the media it uses. I'm not saying cd systems are hard to collect for just the psx, finding games in good shape is hard now can you imagine how hard it will be in 10 years? Most of the games graphics have aged poorly along with all the other systems from the time. But it does have some really great looking games mainly stuff from 1999-2000 crono trigger still looks great. Not a problem only for the psx but it's still a problem. And even now there is no point in getting a ps1 you're better off with a ps2, and in a few years when the ps3 is out and the ps2 price drops to 50$ getting a ps1 would just be a waist. Unless you like to just collect systems regardless if you plan on ever using it.

 

And with nostalgia it's not fair to compare the psx to the nes. The nes will always win, now why is that you ask? Well the nes is packed with genuine classic games that will be just as fun to play 20 years from now. Real classics on the psx are few and far between castlevania sotn for sure and final fantasy tactics is another. But can you really call spyro or crash a timeless classic? They are fun games to be sure but sonic and mario they aint. I think the psx could get a nice niche with rpg collectors. Due to the number of good/decent rpgs on the system. It has a handful of good shooters but not enough for collectors market. I think the namco musem games will be highly collectible as well, even if it's just because namco so stingy with new museum games. That's my prediction i could be totally wrong but we will have to wait and see. And i think the saturn was really the turbografx of it's time. Constantly overlooked but has amazing games you won't find on any other console.

Edited August 8, 2005 by sega saturn x

[Lord Helmet]

My original PS died last year, the PS logo screen would come up, but the words "Sony Computer Entertainment" would be all out of order, and then it would freeze up.

 

I picked up a PSONE with screen a couple of months ago for $20. Its great to have in the car on long trips as a companion to my GBA. The PS games still look pretty good on the REALLY small screen.

[joeybastard]

I keep meaning to pick one up since I don't have it and there a few(very few) games I like on it. I keep putting it off because I was never super impressed with it so I suddenly become cheap when I think about buying it. One of these days, one of these days.

Edited August 8, 2005 by joeybastard

[Lemmi]

i personally would never pay for any Sony product with my own money, but i got a playstation xmas 1999 and it will be the only one i will ever own, when it dies i will sell off the CDs and be done with it

[shep]

No the console didn't age wel visually, but its still one of the top consoles of all time in my opinion. Such a great variety of games, its like the child of the SNES. I gave my first PS model to my sister to play her Wheel of Fortune game and I just use my PS2 to play PS1 games as I've never had a problem with it. But I was shocked as well when I saw those bundles at Target for 50 bucks.

[JB]

    And with nostalgia it's not fair to compare the psx to the nes.  The nes will always win, now why is that you ask?  Well the nes is packed with genuine classic games that will be just as fun to play 20 years from now.

It's also packed with rancid crap that always gets overlooked or forgotten.

Hmmm.... where else have I seen a system with several damn good games and a lot of rancid crap...

 

Real classics on the psx are few and far between castlevania sotn for sure and final fantasy tactics is another.  But can you really call spyro or crash a timeless classic?  They are fun games to be sure but sonic and mario they aint. 

*grabs a list and starts reading*

 

Wipeout? Twisted Metal? Bushido Blade? Valkyrie Profile? Ape Escape? Metal Gear Solid? Resident Evil? Final Fantasy 7? Silent Hill? Syphon Filter? Grandia? RType Delta? Alundra?

 

Short list of highly praised games.

Sure some have had sequels or remakes on other systems, but be honest here. Did Mario World and Mario All-Stars replace your copy of Super Mario 3? Was Sonic 2 discarded when Sonic 3 came out?

I didn't think so.

 

 

Sure the system lacks a mascot or pack-in title, but that's hardly indicative of whether it has great games.

 

And once the system's old enough that nostalgia kicks in, all the crap will be forgotten. People won't remember that for every good game there were a dozen bad ones. They'll just remember that it had a lot of good games. And will inevitably say something about how sad it is that the PS5, ZZBox270, and GameKleinBottle have so much crap coming out and so little worthwhile.

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And move on a decade or two down the line and people will look back fondly on the PS5, ZZBox270, and GameKleinBottle and how many great games it will have and how sad it is that whatever's currently on the shelves has so much crap and so few good games.

 

 

 

I think the psx could get a nice niche with rpg collectors.  Due to the number of good/decent rpgs on the system.  It has a handful of good shooters but not enough for collectors market.  I think the namco musem games will be highly collectible as well, even if it's just because namco so stingy with new museum games.  That's my prediction i could be totally wrong but we will have to wait and see. 

And my prediction is that as it was a lot of the new generation's first system, it's going to see a lot of nostalgia surge later.

 

And i think the saturn was really the turbografx of it's time.  Constantly overlooked but has amazing games you won't find on any other console.

Indeed.

[spacecadet]

Wipeout? Twisted Metal? Bushido Blade? Valkyrie Profile? Ape Escape? Metal Gear Solid? Resident Evil? Final Fantasy 7? Silent Hill? Syphon Filter? Grandia? RType Delta? Alundra?

 

Short list of highly praised games.

Sure some have had sequels or remakes on other systems, but be honest here. Did Mario World and Mario All-Stars replace your copy of Super Mario 3? Was Sonic 2 discarded when Sonic 3 came out?

I didn't think so.

 

But have I played RE on PSX since it came out on the GameCube? No. Will I ever? Are you kidding? (Same is true of Metal Gear Solid, btw.)

 

Have I played Sonic 2 on the Genesis since the release of Sonic Mega Collection? Nope. Will I ever? Maybe, maybe not.

 

FF7? It's being remade on the PS3 (I know it's not official yet, but it's happening).

 

Syphon Filter? Not a classic. Go back and play it again.

 

Grandia? Was a classic on the Saturn first.

 

I also think that there's a difference between a sequel that's just different than the game before (i.e. the Final Fantasy series) and a sequel that truly improves in all areas on the original. Why, for example, would you play Gran Turismo 1 anymore when you've got Gran Turismo 4? There is no reason - there is nothing unique about GT1 that's not in GT4.

 

The same is true of games like Wipeout, Twisted Metal, and a few others on your list.

 

Personally, I didn't say there's no reason to own a PSX, but there's less reason to need one than there is other systems, if these are the games you want to play. I mean, true, nobody needs any game system, but unless you're really out to just have every major system ever and every game in the world, the PSX has less to offer a future collector than many, many other systems. Given that most of its best games are non-exclusive, it doesn't have as much to drive people to it or give it an identity of its own as some other systems.

 

And once the system's old enough that nostalgia kicks in, all the crap will be forgotten. People won't remember that for every good game there were a dozen bad ones. They'll just remember that it had a lot of good games. And will inevitably say something about how sad it is that the PS5, ZZBox270, and GameKleinBottle have so much crap coming out and so little worthwhile.

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And move on a decade or two down the line and people will look back fondly on the PS5, ZZBox270, and GameKleinBottle and how many great games it will have and how sad it is that whatever's currently on the shelves has so much crap and so few good games.

 

This is not the way it works. You're assuming that things that are popular at the time are always looked at fondly or with a sense of nostalgia. That has never been true, in any medium. Do you look back and remember how great the band Nelson was today? What about Hanson? Is Titanic still one of your favorite movies? What about Independence Day?

 

How collectable is the Genesis? You can get a system for 10 bucks and most games for under a dollar. Only a few of its games sell for even close to what they did new. (I love the Genesis, and I love collecting for it because it's so cheap, but I'm obviously in the minority.)

 

The PSX will never be forgotten but it is highly, highly unlikely people are really going to feel true nostalgia for it.

 

I do agree that the PSX had some great RPG's and it's those RPG's that are already some of its most collectable games. Beyond that, though, it doesn't really have a whole lot to offer in terms of unique content.

Edited August 8, 2005 by spacecadet

[sega saturn x]

Wipeout? Twisted Metal? Bushido Blade? Valkyrie Profile? Ape Escape? Metal Gear Solid? Resident Evil? Final Fantasy 7? Silent Hill? Syphon Filter? Grandia? RType Delta? Alundra?

Twisted metal is a timeless classic? And calling syphon filter anything above average is just pushing it. Metal gear and resident evil while both are well made games pale in comparison to there much better sequels. Nostalgia or not no one is ever going to say resident evil 1 was a hell of a lot better then 4 could ever be. Metal gear has also evolved beyond what it was on the psx. The games are better then they were on the psx and most are far more playable. Silent hill has kind of stayed the same so i guess i can give you that, same goes for wipeout.

 

Sure the system lacks a mascot or pack-in title, but that's hardly indicative of whether it has great games.

Never said it was.

It's also packed with rancid crap that always gets overlooked or forgotten.

Hmmm.... where else have I seen a system with several damn good games and a lot of rancid crap...

Oh i know the nes is filled with crap, but it's also filled with flawless arcade conversions and some of the best platformers and adventure games ever made.

 

The playstation does have classics just not many, to me classic means as fun to play as it was when it was new. The vast majority of playstaion games lack that classic quality.

Edited August 9, 2005 by sega saturn x

[NE146]

You psx non-likers are smoking crack. PS1 friggin rocks. It has a bunch of crap, but that's just the law of percentages working on it's huge-ass library. I can't even think of all the classic gaming goodness that came out for it. The Konami classics on it is the best. Not to mention the various iterations of Crazy Climber like CC 2000, and Hyper Crazy Climber.

 

I mean.. let's just go off the top of my head and I'll be barely scratching the surface there:

 

Classics like the various Gradius's that came for it (e.g. Gradius Gaiden & Gradius Deluxe Pack, Salamander)

 

Rocking retro-revisits like Xevious 3D+G, Tempest X, 1945 Strikers, Raiden DX, Rtype Delta, Qix Neo, Space Chaser 2000, Qix 2000, Galaxian 3, Thunderforce V, Blaster Master Blasting Again, Strider 2. (Find me another console with Galaxian 3 and a Space Chaser port).

 

Collections like the Atari Midway Collection, Nichibutsu collection, Toaplan Shooting Battle, Konami MSX collection 1&2, Atari Anniversary Redux, the Namco Museums, Capcom Generations 1-5...

 

HOLY CRAP it's a friggin ROCKING console

 

Oh I almost forgot! CRAZY BALLOON 2K a game who's only recently seen the light of day w/ Cybergoths 2600 port. How can anyone say a console that has a home version of Crazy Balloon (remix and original I might add) is ANYTHING but kick ass?

 

I'll stop here. But the library is just too friggin huge to deny how good and far reaching it is. You got your Bemani games like Guitar Freaks 1&2, The DDR games (even Disney DDR). You got your Street Fighters, Jumping Flash, Vandal Hearts, FF's. etc. etc. etc.

 

And i think the saturn was really the turbografx of it's time.  Constantly overlooked but has amazing games you won't find on any other console.

 

 

Indeed.

 

As someone who did NOT overlook neither the Turbografx nor the Saturn in their time.. (I put a hefty amount of money in both, actively buying games for both consoles as they were released). I will easily put the PSX titles above both. TG16 is still one of my all time favorites, but on a desert island... give me a complete psx library instead.

 

Edited August 9, 2005 by NE146