Revolution Controller Revealed

[ferrarimanf355]

Here's a hands-on account of why the Xbox 360 controller is going to be the best controller next-generation. No boomerangs, no gimmeckry, just evolving an already-great design.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/652/652597p1.html

[Foxy Cleopatra]

Unless I'm mistaken Kirk, I'm entitled to an opinion.  And after having already been irritated by the play control scheme of the Nintendo DS,

 

I don't see how you could be irritated by "the control scheme of the Nintendo DS" when it has a pad & buttons like 99% of the average controllers out there. You're pretty much pigeon-holing DS games as being 100% touchpad. ...And while that's admittedly true to a certain extent it ignores the exceptions. For example, I enjoy Space Invaders DS w/out a single touchpad touch

 

What you should say is you don't like Touchpad GAMES (ala Kirby) not necessarily the Nintendo DS's available control schemes which of course is wide open to however a manufacture wants to make their game

 

I'm looking forward to trying the Revolution Controllers. We'll see how it goes. One thing I notice is a lot of people have thinly veiled "anti-nintendo-itis" which I can't understand. It's almost as if their chomping at the bit to see Nintendo fail. I love my ps2 & xbox just as much as the next guy. Heck I modded my Xbox myself in the dark days probably long before the idea even hit our resident Xbox freaks Starscream & Foxy C The ps2 even longer before that. But you'll never catch me putting Nintendo down. On the contrary I fucking APPLAUD their asses. I LIKE the fact they're trying something new. And like I said.. they have the technology... esp w/ games like Wario Ware Twisted proving that motion is indeed a viable and easily usable control scheme. (As opposed to my old Handheld Game "Hyper Ski" which pretty much failed at it )

 

So bring it on Nintendo. Nintendo has been making fine toys and gadgets for as long as we can remember and this seems to be just their latest and greatest. (And yes, I think of videogames as TOYS..to be played. That's my opinion as a guy nearing 40 years old). So bring it on Nintendo. You rock

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you are so cool No really I looked up cool in Wikpedia and it was you.

 

 

I think the thing looks like ass myself,

so you formed an opinion before you tried it, same one I did, but I'm also anxious to try it out, because its different. Go search microtransactions in modern gaming and read the locked thread, that should pretty much clear up that everyone forms an opinion on something, even before they've tried it. So if its good enough for MS and the Xbox, its good for Nintendo and this controller.

[kisrael]

I think the thing looks like ass myself,

so you formed an opinion before you tried it, same one I did, but I'm also anxious to try it out, because its different. Go search microtransactions in modern gaming and read the locked thread, that should pretty much clear up that everyone forms an opinion on something, even before they've tried it. So if its good enough for MS and the Xbox, its good for Nintendo and this controller.

Durrrrrr....it LOOKS like ass. You can tell what it looks like from a picture. You can't tell that it's going to be a "shitty controller" from a picture, especially before anyone really knows how it feels, and games that use it are out and about.

 

Just because many people make premature opinions doesn't mean they should, or that other people don't have a write to point out the prematurity...

[Atarifever]

 

I think the thing looks like ass myself,

so you formed an opinion before you tried it, same one I did, but I'm also anxious to try it out, because its different. Go search microtransactions in modern gaming and read the locked thread, that should pretty much clear up that everyone forms an opinion on something, even before they've tried it. So if its good enough for MS and the Xbox, its good for Nintendo and this controller.

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I'm not trying to pick a fight, but you didn't want people to form an advance opinion on Microtransactions. In fact, I just reread through a bunch of posts there, and you said everyone who complained was being a grumpy old man who just liked to complain. However, here everyone is allowed to complain about the Revolutions controller without you calling them names. I'm wondering how it helps your cause to show that you only believe that people are allowed to complain about a product if Microsoft didn't make it. Sure it shows that many of the other posters here are behaving hypocritically, but it doesn't show you behaving any better.

[Clock]

Ok I've left it few days to decide on what I think of this new control system.

 

Let me just start with the fact that I was very unimpressed with Nintendo and the Revolution, and expected nothing of any great interest, that mindset is certainly changed now.

 

My first reaction was not good, I just thought how pap.

 

Then I spoke to someone who recently went to Japan top look at this and he was wildly impressed with what he saw. He told me about the sword control before I saw that vid. This was when my opinion started to change. The more I think about that controller the more I like it.

 

Stop thinking about current games as we know them, this is innovative and whole new game styles could be made to match these controllers. Here's hoping so.

 

BUT... I also understand that Sony's next gen Eye Toy has depth of field control as well, and if that works well then that could just wipe out Nintendo's magic there and then. Should be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

I do agree that it looks like it could be very tiring and only good for a 20 minute gaming session, but I am hoping I am much mistaken and this will be the great thing I am imagining it could be. But who knows maybe Nintendo will supply a regular control pad along with the new fancy pants one.

 

Anyway, Nintendo suddenly appears interesting again.

[PuddWakkr]

I think it looks terrible. I'm sure there will be a few good games that really make the controller look like a good idea. I think overall when looking at all the great third party games that will play like butt or will force you to spend more money on modular hookups to make them play better it will turn out bad for Nintendo. I hope this thing is REALLY cheap because it would be "a novelty" to own and mess around with, but this thing as a primary game machine? Not for me.

[Foxy Cleopatra]

 

I think the thing looks like ass myself,

so you formed an opinion before you tried it, same one I did, but I'm also anxious to try it out, because its different. Go search microtransactions in modern gaming and read the locked thread, that should pretty much clear up that everyone forms an opinion on something, even before they've tried it. So if its good enough for MS and the Xbox, its good for Nintendo and this controller.

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I'm not trying to pick a fight, but you didn't want people to form an advance opinion on Microtransactions. In fact, I just reread through a bunch of posts there, and you said everyone who complained was being a grumpy old man who just liked to complain. However, here everyone is allowed to complain about the Revolutions controller without you calling them names. I'm wondering how it helps your cause to show that you only believe that people are allowed to complain about a product if Microsoft didn't make it. Sure it shows that many of the other posters here are behaving hypocritically, but it doesn't show you behaving any better.

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My whole point in referencing that thread was exactly what you've pointed out, people behave like hypocrites. After that thread I stopped posting here for quite awhile. People are going to have opinions good or bad and we will never change each others minds, it will take direct experience if we are going to change our minds.... of course the difference is I'll have experience with microtransactions and this controller...many people here won't because of their pure hatred for Microsoft and anything that comes from them.

[kisrael]

For the record, I'm not a Microsoft basher. The xbox did a hell of a lot of things right this generation...I think they're Model S is the best controller out there, they put in 4 controller ports, they got some great games, they have the best online support system without totally dropping splitscreen gaming, etc. I don't like how big and clunky their physical hardware is (especially compared to the lovely compact nature of the gamecube) but besides that I thought they did as good a job as "I would have" in terms of decisions they made. Halo, Crimson Skies, KOTOR even Fuzion Frenzy...many great games.

 

And it's not black people God hates with the Hurricanes...it's the punishment for voting for Bush.

[adonis_minus_20]

My first reaction to the controller was that it sucks, mostly in regard to how one would play conventional games with it (or next-gen games that would have a traditional control scheme).

 

I think there are great possibilities for new types of gameplay, and I will probably buy it anyway (I have all 3 of the current gen), but I'm concerned about "old-style" type games that require standard controls. I think it would have been better if Nintendo offered this remote control as an add-on, with a standard design controller for the other games. This would be a win-win for everyone. Offer new games that would take advantage of the add-on contoller, and offer standard fare for the old controller. I'm a sucker for gimmicky specialized controllers.

 

I know there was a picture of a standard controller attached to the remote control one, although I don't think it was official. If Nintendo is going to do things this way, let people know, and provide pictures. I think people would be more forgiving if they saw from the start that a standard type controller would also be available (it would be nice if it came with the system at no extra charge, but we all know how that works).

 

Jim

[AtticGamer]

How I hate that controller. Buying addons to have stuff that the others have?(analog and L/R) Spare me the person who offers me that thing must hate me very much.... I think Nintendo made virtual suicide.

Edited September 26, 2005 by Atari_kid

[kisrael]

I think there are great possibilities for new types of gameplay, and I will probably buy it anyway (I have all 3 of the current gen), but I'm concerned about "old-style" type games that require standard controls.  I think it would have been better if Nintendo offered this remote control as an add-on, with a standard design controller for the other games.  This would be a win-win for everyone.  Offer new games that would take advantage of the add-on contoller, and offer standard fare for the old controller.  I'm a sucker for gimmicky specialized controllers.

Yeah, the thing is anything that's an "addon" never gets the support of the industry the way builtin hardware does, whether it's a multitap or something like the maracas controllers.

 

The combo of sticking the "remote" controller into a slot of a GC like shell would seem to have some promise.

 

I think Nintendo's getting burnt out on "standard fare" in terms of gameplay, so this is a big roll of the dice, offering a more significant alternative to what the other bigboys are offering.

[Foxy Cleopatra]

And it's not black people God hates with the Hurricanes...it's the punishment for voting for Bush.

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But I wouldn't think black people would vote for Bush did LA go to Bush or Kerry I can't remember

[Dones]

I think Nintendo made virtual suicide.

I think of it as a clear sign Nintendo has given up being a video game maker. They've thrown the towel. Big N no longer wishes to compete with the big boys, so they are turning themselves into a electronic toy maker of sorts. With all the talk about how innovative Nintendo is, we forget that other companies innovate too (eg, eye toy? the big bulk mech controller for that xbox game? dance revolution? xbox live?).

 

Like everyone else I will try the new remote and give it a fair chance. However I don't need to wait for that to know how Nintendo will behave. If the Gamecube got the shaft with game droughts, kiddie games and 3rd party support apathy then just wait until the Revolution comes. To think the same (or worse) could happen to the Revolution is a very realistic outlook, but that's me. One thing is for sure: this time around if you buy a Revolution, you will be married and stuck with 1st party Nintendo games. If that's your thing and you don't mind the droughts, the derivative mascot spinoffs and games that ambiguously walk the "made for everyone" and "made for kids" area then that's great. I wish you good luck!

[JB]

How I hate that controller. Buying addons to have stuff that the others have?(analog and L/R)

The analog thumbstick and added shoulder buttons is slated as a pack-in, actually.

 

Of course, even without the thumbstick attached, you have analog control. 6 axes of it.

[Atarifever]

games that ambiguously walk the "made for everyone" and "made for kids" area then that's great. I wish you good luck!

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Ambiguously? I wouldn't think it would be hard to see how Mario Sunshine, Donky Kongas, or Mario Kart are made for everyone. It's never seemed like an ambiguous distinction to me. RE4, not made for Everyone. GTA: SA, made for 14 year olds, and people who like action movies (I like action movies), Mario 64, made for anyone. I don't see how it could be more clear.

[JB]

games that ambiguously walk the "made for everyone" and "made for kids" area then that's great. I wish you good luck!

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Ambiguously? I wouldn't think it would be hard to see how Mario Sunshine, Donky Kongas, or Mario Kart are made for everyone. It's never seemed like an ambiguous distinction to me. RE4, not made for Everyone. GTA: SA, made for 14 year olds, and people who like action movies (I like action movies), Mario 64, made for anyone. I don't see how it could be more clear.

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Well, you see... Nintendo only makes kiddie games. So if they make a "everyone" game, it's clearly actually for kids.

 

See? It's simple.

 

[Dones]

games that ambiguously walk the "made for everyone" and "made for kids" area then that's great. I wish you good luck!

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Ambiguously? I wouldn't think it would be hard to see how Mario Sunshine, Donky Kongas, or Mario Kart are made for everyone. It's never seemed like an ambiguous distinction to me. RE4, not made for Everyone. GTA: SA, made for 14 year olds, and people who like action movies (I like action movies), Mario 64, made for anyone. I don't see how it could be more clear.

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RE4 is not a 1st party title so it doesn't apply. GTA:San Andreas isn't on any Nintendo console so it doesn't apply either. Mario 64 could be mistaken as a game made for kids. Would you mind saying "Sit!, fetch!, Bad dog!" to your DS in a public place? Would you consider the annoying yells and heavily primary colored themes found in Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine and many other Nintendo 1st party titles as attributes attractive to adults? I don't know you but all these examples walk a fine line if you ask me.

 

Their new controller ideas have a lot of potential and could bring some great titles. At the same time they are shooting themselves in the foot by limiting their appeal to their games only. I don't think we will see much outside Nintendo titles.

 

Personally I think that the Revolution will suffer all of the same problems Gamecube and the N64 had but probably worse. Expect game droughts, more kiddie stuff, more derivative spinoffs and poor 3rd party support. They been behaving the same way through two console generations. I don't see any indication they are going to do any different this time around. To sums things up: people who buy a Revolution as their only console will be (like always) to play Nintendo games. This time around because of the goofy controller there is a real risk they will limit their options considerably (or open themselves up to new things [once every two fiscal quarters of course ]).

Edited September 26, 2005 by Dones

[JB]

games that ambiguously walk the "made for everyone" and "made for kids" area then that's great. I wish you good luck!

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Ambiguously? I wouldn't think it would be hard to see how Mario Sunshine, Donky Kongas, or Mario Kart are made for everyone. It's never seemed like an ambiguous distinction to me. RE4, not made for Everyone. GTA: SA, made for 14 year olds, and people who like action movies (I like action movies), Mario 64, made for anyone. I don't see how it could be more clear.

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RE4 is not a 1st party title so it doesn't apply. GTA:San Andreas isn't on any Nintendo console so it doesn't apply either. Mario 64 could be mistaken as a game made for kids. Would you mind saying "Sit!, fetch!, Bad dog!" to your DS in a public place? Would you consider the annoying yells and heavily primary colored themes found in Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine and many other Nintendo 1st party titles as attributes attractive to adults? I don't know you but all these examples walk a fine line if you ask me.

Personally, I don't care how a game looks. I care how it plays.

 

I think the first game Nintendo made that was clearly pegged as a "kiddie game" was Kirby.

 

My sister got that for a gift once because it was figured that as a kiddie game it'd be easy enough for her to play.

She never cleared level 1.

 

I, on the other hand, found a game laying around the house unused. I was 11, and pretty sure the game was way beneath me. But I was also bored, and boredom matters a lot more than image in private.

As it turned out, Kirby's a damn fun game, despite the cuteness.

And kicks kiddie ass.

[Atarifever]

games that ambiguously walk the "made for everyone" and "made for kids" area then that's great. I wish you good luck!

938431[/snapback]

Ambiguously? I wouldn't think it would be hard to see how Mario Sunshine, Donky Kongas, or Mario Kart are made for everyone. It's never seemed like an ambiguous distinction to me. RE4, not made for Everyone. GTA: SA, made for 14 year olds, and people who like action movies (I like action movies), Mario 64, made for anyone. I don't see how it could be more clear.

938470[/snapback]

RE4 is not a 1st party title so it doesn't apply. GTA:San Andreas isn't on any Nintendo console so it doesn't apply either. Mario 64 could be mistaken as a game made for kids. Would you mind saying "Sit!, fetch!, Bad dog!" to your DS in a public place? Would you consider the annoying yells and heavily primary colored themes found in Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine and many other Nintendo 1st party titles as attributes attractive to adults? I don't know you but all these examples walk a fine line if you ask me.

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I was pointing out that it's easy to tell an "everyone" game from games aimed at different audiences. I would hope you would assume that if I were posting on a gaming forum that I would know that GTA:SA isn't on a Nintendo system.

As far as being embarrassed to talk to my DS in public places goes, I would be embarrassed to do that one thing in that one game in public. Give me any other example where I'm just looking at the screen and playing and the answer is no. Also, I wouldn't talk to a DS in public not because the game is kiddie, but because it looks insane. It's the same reason I never bother to use a handsfree headset on my cellphone in public. I think it looks like you're a crazy person to anyone who doesn't understand what you're doing. Had you said "would you play Mario 64DS in public, or Yoshi Tag, or Wario Ware touched", or anything else the answer is "yes". I've played Sonic on a gamegear with the giant batery in public, I hardly think there's anything more embarrassing about the DS. I also hardly think running over strippers in my big bad penis extention of a fake car is anymore mature on the bus. Or perhaps I could do something real mature like sit in the back of the bus and look at PSP porno movies.

By the way, just wondering, but what makes playing out fantasies I had when I was 12 (like blowing stuff up with a bazooka) more mature than shooting fireballs at a gomba? The colours used? Well then, imagine a game where rainbow coloured creatures rape each other to death with their sword like genitals, I'm sure there'll be no trouble getting the "E" rating for that sort of thing, it's colourful. I mean, if I had been asked at 12 if I would rather play the bongos or shoot stuff like Rambo, I would have said I'd like to do the Rambo thing everytime. Now I'd say the Bongos at least half the time. Pretending you're an unstoppable super soldier isn't exactly "mature" or anything. In fact, well, it's what children do. Not that that's wrong, I like fake killing stuff too, but I don't pretend there's a distinction between that and finding out the Princess is in another castle.

[sega saturn x]

we forget that other companies innovate too (eg, eye toy? the big bulk mech controller for that xbox game? dance revolution? xbox live?).

No one said they weren't inovative, but saying the eye toy and the steel battalion conroller turned out underwhelming isn't the stretch of the decade or anything. Was a dancing game and great online console support inovative? Of course they are, this is simply a new inovation that has great potential.

 

Dones you just keep saying the same things over and over, kiddie games lack of support we get it. The cube has its fair share of problems, but should that stop it from being a great system? Hell no. You act as if the otehr two systems are perfect and have every angle covered and nintendo should just pull out all together. But those other consoles aren't perfect either but i never hear you picking on them, only nintendo.

Edited September 27, 2005 by sega saturn x

[Ze_ro]

I think of it as a clear sign Nintendo has given up being a video game maker. They've thrown the towel. Big N no longer wishes to compete with the big boys, so they are turning themselves into a electronic toy maker of sorts.

They ARE an electronic toy maker. That's what video game systems are.

 

Would you consider the annoying yells and heavily primary colored themes found in Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine and many other Nintendo 1st party titles as attributes attractive to adults?

I find this comment very ironic coming from someone who's avatar is a bright orange and blue picture saying "The Fun Is Back!"

 

There's no shame in enjoying games like Mario Sunshine.

 

--Zero

[kisrael]

Would you consider the annoying yells and heavily primary colored themes found in Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine and many other Nintendo 1st party titles as attributes attractive to adults?

I find this comment very ironic coming from someone who's avatar is a bright orange and blue picture saying "The Fun Is Back!"

The age old "Japanese Cute is Not Simply 'Kiddy'" applies.

 

In general, once you're playing video games, you're out of the realm of pursuits considered "adult". That battle is lost. Get over it. Just because you prefer "gritty" games or even "realistic simulations", doesn't mean your pursuit will geneally be considered "meant for grownups". Go read a damn novel or prepare a gourmet meal or something.

 

If you avoid extremely fun and well-designed games because they look "too kiddy", you're just as sad as people who avoid GTA because it's just so darn violent.

[Dones]

I have touched on sensitive nerves here. Remember guys it's only an opinion. Disagree as much as you want!

 

They ARE an electronic toy maker. That's what video game systems are.

Video games have long grown out of being just toys. They are an entertainment medium. If you can't make the distinction then everything that entertains is a toy also. Would you consider your cellular a toy?

 

I find this comment very ironic coming from someone who's avatar is a bright orange and blue picture saying "The Fun Is Back!"

Look who's talking, mr. atari sprite on big primary blue with a green neon glow! Very ironic indeed.

 

There's no shame in enjoying games like Mario Sunshine.

Why would you feel shame? I never said nor implied playing Mario Sunshine should be a shameful activity.

 

In general, once you're playing video games, you're out of the realm of pursuits considered "adult". That battle is lost. Get over it. Just because you prefer "gritty" games or even "realistic simulations", doesn't mean your pursuit will geneally be considered "meant for grownups". Go read a damn novel or prepare a gourmet meal or something.

Very emotional fanboyish reply. I never said preferring one genre over the other. You obviously have some set ideas of what adult games are. Take your fanboy hat off for a second and consider this: Nintendo could be successful doing adult games also. It doesn't necessarily mean it has to go through to all your pre-conceived notions of what adult games are. You are obviously obsessed into taking sides, automatically assuming I like "gritty" or "violent" because I said some things that hurt your Nintendo sensibilities.

 

Let me reiterate my opinion: If you want to play Nintendo games that's fine. Go ahead and whack yourself playing some "damn" Star Fox Adventures if that's your thing. Nintendo is carving a niche for themselves more so than ever with revolution. That will mean less games being developed for it by 3rd parties, and longer waits for their own releases (they always treat their consoles second chair to their portables). If you don't mind getting a new gaming fix every six months or so then good luck to you!

[Atarifever]

They ARE an electronic toy maker. That's what video game systems are.

Video games have long grown out of being just toys. They are an entertainment medium. If you can't make the distinction then everything that entertains is a toy also. Would you consider your cellular a toy?

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Uh-huh, and graphic novels aren't comic books. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Phone up your parents and ask them if your console is a toy.

[Dones]

That's so funny! Don't forget your teddy bear while you are at it.