Atari-Jess #26 Posted April 17, 2002 I remember marty i remember but like I said, I wont be asking for sound clips just yet. give it a few more episodes, dont get yourselves all worked up yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian #27 Posted April 17, 2002 Well, threatening to shoot the red robot back to "robot homo kingdom" is a pretty clear indicator that somebody thinks that this red robot is a homo -- if it were a female robot, you wouldn't shoot it back to "robot homo kingdom," now would you? And hell, the robot being gay is no big deal, but the fact that it's presented in a negative light is just a bit annoying. The robot wanting to grab ass is presented as something bad -- the underlying subtext says: "being a homo is bad." Sure, it's not overtly homophobic, but it still perpetuates that homos should be shot! Look, not to get too academic here, but if you break it down, that's what it's saying. Come one, what if it were a black robot, or a Jewish robot. Would shooting the robot at the end seem so funny? Look, there are lots of ways to create an annoying antagonist without resorting to a gay joke. Hate to sound so god-awful P.C., but the thinly-veiled "come on it's just a joke" homophobia of the classic gaming community is starting to really annoy me as of late. Atari-Jess, I'm sure you don't think of yourself as homophobic, but making gays or gay actions the butt of jokes is starting to become about as uncool as cracking jokes about black people. Sorry, my feathers were obviously ruffled, but I'm not pissed or anything ... just trying to make a point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian #28 Posted April 17, 2002 Well, threatening to shoot the red robot back to "robot homo kingdom" is a pretty clear indicator that somebody thinks that this red robot is a homo -- if it were a female robot, you wouldn't shoot it back to "robot homo kingdom," now would you? And hell, the robot being gay is no big deal, but the fact that it's presented in a negative light is just a bit annoying. The robot wanting to grab ass is presented as something bad -- the underlying subtext says: "being a homo is bad." Sure, it's not overtly homophobic, but it still perpetuates that homos should be shot! Look, not to get too academic here, but if you break it down, that's what it's saying. Come one, what if it were a black robot, or a Jewish robot. Would shooting the robot at the end seem so funny? Look, there are lots of ways to create an annoying antagonist without resorting to a gay joke. Hate to sound so god-awful P.C., but the thinly-veiled "come on it's just a joke" homophobia of the classic gaming community is starting to really annoy me as of late. Atari-Jess, I'm sure you don't think of yourself as homophobic, but making gays or gay actions the butt of jokes is starting to become about as uncool as cracking jokes about black people. Sorry, my feathers were obviously ruffled, but I'm not pissed or anything ... just trying to make a point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari-Jess #29 Posted April 17, 2002 when it originally started I had no intention of making red robot gay. infact, I still have no intention of doing so. Its just rather that the character of me, feels that the robot for some reason IS male and IS gay only as he doesn't like to have his ass touched. I really am trying to not get people to think i want to shoot gay people/robots all day or something. and also note, that since it IS based on berzerk, ALL the robots are to be shot as that IS the point of the game. the red robots idea in the first place to go to "my house" was to say "sorry" for grabbing my ass which as you seen turned out rather bad for red robot. but I cannot express my idea more on the fact that robots are neither male or female and therefore cannot BE of ANY sexual preference. but as "I" live in a world of only robots the closest thing to a male robot appears to be what red robot seems to be, being just "I" apparently can "tell" a robots sex. which is why you will never see robots kissing or things like that Infact, it was people HERE who claimed the robots, (all of them originally) to be gay. but believe me or not, its what Im standing by. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari Master #30 Posted April 17, 2002 If only I still knew Sk8artist.He made a whole online, interactive pokemon game with worlds and everything with flash. He could make anything. Hedgehog auditioned? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari-Jess #31 Posted April 17, 2002 not that i know of. the list was just mainly a list that I made in my head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari Master #32 Posted April 17, 2002 Hey, do you need any ideas fo your next series? I could write up some funny Idea's.Liek were it would take place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nimtene #33 Posted April 18, 2002 Sorry the comic bothers you, but my thoughts on your thoughts, Adrian: Personally, I think the comic was amusing. And I don't find the robot's preference an important issue. What's important is that It's an ass grabber. Imagine that, a robot that grabs asses. And Atari-Jess don't want his ass grabbed. Certainly not by any robot, and definately not by any robot that is his arch enemy. I find that funny. You say that the the robot wanting to grab ass is presented as something bad. You're right about that. But isn't that true? Ain't it something bad, when you don't want your ass grabbed, but someone still tries to do it? Although not as funny, (for obvious reasons) he could have been the pie offering robot, for all I care. If he keeps offering me pies, and I don't want them, that is a bad thing! And I'll send him back to his 'robot pie offering kingdom.' Sure, his 'robot homo kingdom' response was not entirely necessary. But I don't think that was an important part of the joke, making the comic some thinly veiled gay joke. The comic would have been just as effective, if he said I'll send you back to the 'robot ass-grabboid weekly subscriber's kingdom.' >Come on, what if it were a black robot, or a Jewish robot. >Would shooting the robot at the end seem so funny? It would still be funny! Because this issue is not emphasized, so is not the important point of the joke! You say it perpetuates that homos should be shot? Would you still read it the same way, as in my example above, that all ass grabboids should be shot? I wouldn't. Naw, just the grabboids that are trying to grab my ass when I specifically tell them not to. Who really cares what Race/gender/orientation the robot is? Who knows? Most likely, the robot isn't black; but who has the right to claim that it ain't jewish? Heck, he could be, couldn't he? Anyhow, those issues are not what makes it funny to me. Conceivably, the robot could have been programmed to be throughtly straight, with the malfunctions that make him grab that ass instead of kill. Still a funny comic. Still funny. Gay issues don't seem at the core of what makes it funny. Would you still feel as strongly, if he never used the word 'homo?' Perhaps you mostly just take offense to to this slang term then? I guess I can understand that. But then again, I'm sure your casual use of the term "black people" might equally offend many people as well. So perhaps it just comes down to slang terminology. Some words offend certain people, and not others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari-Jess #34 Posted April 18, 2002 and the pie offering robot is born! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M #35 Posted April 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Adrian: Well, threatening to shoot the red robot back to "robot homo kingdom" is a pretty clear indicator that somebody thinks that this red robot is a homo -- if it were a female robot, you wouldn't shoot it back to "robot homo kingdom," now would you? And hell, the robot being gay is no big deal, but the fact that it's presented in a negative light is just a bit annoying. The robot wanting to grab ass is presented as something bad -- the underlying subtext says: "being a homo is bad." Sure, it's not overtly homophobic, but it still perpetuates that homos should be shot! Look, not to get too academic here, but if you break it down, that's what it's saying. Come one, what if it were a black robot, or a Jewish robot. Would shooting the robot at the end seem so funny? Look, there are lots of ways to create an annoying antagonist without resorting to a gay joke. Hate to sound so god-awful P.C., but the thinly-veiled "come on it's just a joke" homophobia of the classic gaming community is starting to really annoy me as of late. Atari-Jess, I'm sure you don't think of yourself as homophobic, but making gays or gay actions the butt of jokes is starting to become about as uncool as cracking jokes about black people. Sorry, my feathers were obviously ruffled, but I'm not pissed or anything ... just trying to make a point. Atari Jess, don't listen to what she says! I've never seen any of your comics so I figured I would check it out. THIS IS HILARIOUS STUFF!!! The whole "ass grabber" magazine part made me laugh hysterically! Funny stuff indeed! Feel free to use me in your next comic. Just don't make me a GAY or an ASS GRABBER because I am 100% Straight! Other than that, keep up the good work! Funny stuff!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StanJr #36 Posted April 18, 2002 So is it ok to shoot gay robots or not? Cause I got a gun and I think there is a gay robot living next door, but I'm not sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian #37 Posted April 18, 2002 Well, that little cartoon was pretty dork-ass, and certainly could have done without the homophobic slurs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari Master #38 Posted April 18, 2002 Hey, were the hell was I? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atarinvader #39 Posted April 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Adrian: Well, that little cartoon was pretty dork-ass, and certainly could have done without the homophobic slurs. I thought it was very good. And I couldn't see anything homophobic about it... More please Jess! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eduardo #40 Posted April 18, 2002 Cool! hehe i liked the part when the robot cried "help me" hahaha. I insist we need a Star Wars themed comic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M #41 Posted April 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by StanJr: So is it ok to shoot gay robots or not? Cause I got a gun and I think there is a gay robot living next door, but I'm not sure. Yes, its OK. Shoot away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari-Jess #42 Posted April 18, 2002 a gay robot next beside your house eh stan? hmm, sounds suspicious, you sure your neighbour is gay? The new comic is gonna be really long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian #43 Posted April 18, 2002 Okay, I knew my posting would venture into the Land of the Ridiculous, but really, if the "homo" comment had simply stayed out of it, it wouldn't have come off as politically incorrect, or insensitive, or vaguely homophobic, or any of the other crap that I alluded to. I'm assuming that most of you are straight guys living in non-metro areas, and probably don't know many queer people. I used to be there, so I remember what it's like, and how gay jokes are no big deal. A homo comment, or calling someone or something "gay" is simply meant as an insult, and not necessarily hateful. But it still perpetuates the idea that being homosexual is somehow wrong or not good. Granted, I will fully admit I went a bit overboard with my initial posting -- I mean, I must have come off as if I have no sense of humor and a stick up my butt. And for that, I'm sorry. But if you ever endured the multitude of obnoxious gay insults that I've had to put up with in my life, then perhaps you'd understand my sensitivity to a seemingly "harmless" gay joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari Master #44 Posted April 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by pitfallaimee: *grabs moycon's ass* *Grabs bat* *Kicks Moycon's ass all the way to china* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StanJr #45 Posted April 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Adrian: I'm assuming that most of you are straight guys living in non-metro areas, and probably don't know many queer people. You know what happens when you assume... I also think there is a line to be drawn between "offensive" and "hurtful." I believe that to a degree "offensive" things can be a powerful and positive force, while "hurtful" things have no place in a just society. If no one was ever offended, nothing would ever change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moycon #46 Posted April 19, 2002 I think the red robot is homosexual.... Its OK to be homosexual tho, it is the land of the free you know. Still.... If someone came into my house, chased me and was trying to grab my ass, I'd shoot em whether they were gay or not....unless it was Pitfall Aimee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pitfallaimee #47 Posted April 19, 2002 *grabs moycon's ass* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atari-Jess #48 Posted April 19, 2002 can someone put the cartoon on their server or just upload it for a little bit? Im asking cause the filter at school blocks my site and i want to show my friends the cartoon today. dont forget to post the new URL here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noble Kale #49 Posted April 20, 2002 quoteI'm assuming that most of you are straight guys living in non-metro areas, and probably don't know many queer people. Actually, I'm a uni student, so I know quite a fair few people from both sides (some very active, some who are more kicked back, and would definately laugh at the idea of a homosexual robot.). Don't think of it as him being a target because he's possibly gay, it's more that he wants to do something that the comic character doesn't want to do. quoteI will fully admit I went a bit overboard with my initial posting At least you've realised, and aren't trying to go nuts on us. However I have to say I disagree with you on this one. quoteNoble Kale: a little guy with a flaming skull head Ph33r!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites