Don't Need Anything Other Than Genesis & 2600

[silverpoodleman]

I have spent the past three months accumulating Genesis titles! It has great games in all genres - action, adventure, some pretty cool racing games (okay, perhaps a weak point there - but then, I 'm not a big fan of the genre), outstanding puzzle and strategy games, the best sports games (some of them are all time greats), and very, very cool RPG's.

 

My Genny collection has swelled to 287 titles. I research every titles before and after each purchase. And as I am going through them trying to decide what title I will play next, I realize that the collection of games here (along with the 200+ atari 2600 titles) will keep me busy for a lifetime. Other than complex 1st person shooters (tho' there is Zero Tolerance) and mobility (like the Game Genie), Genesis has it all. I cannot imagine having the need for any other game system.

 

Retro-gamers, am I wrong? If so, why? What else is out there that I don't have but would need?

Edited November 20, 2005 by silverpoodleman

[+-^CrossBow^-]

I have to agree...without a doubt my favorite consoles of all times are my Atari 7800 and Genesis systems.

[Flojomojo]

So long as you can live without 3D, full speech, analog controls, CD-quality sound, online play, and aren't curious about anything different, you "should" be set for a long time.

 

One doesn't really "need" video games at all. Every single person in the history of the world got by without them until the late 20th century, after all. I personally and singlehandedly have played more video games than the entire pre-1970 population of the world.

 

[sega saturn x]

An amazing system for sure, but i like some 3-d in my gaming diet as well.

[ATARIeric]

The genesis was my favorite for sports titles & MK, cool system!

 

 

@ silverpoodleman: I bet you can find a really neat multicart for the genesis over here

Edited November 20, 2005 by ATARIeric

[Gabriel]

Nope. I can't say that I would agree.

 

Although I am rather envious that you can narrow it down to that degree comfortably. It means your wiring arrangements are much easier than mine.

[adams_ale]

My two favorite systems are the Atari 2600 and the Super Nintendo. The Genesis has an amazing game library, but if you find yourself wanting more rpgs then I believe you would like what the Super Nintendo can offer. Not suggesting that you would like the Super NES more, but each system has different things to offer. The Genesis is an especially great system for sports games and the Super NES is especially great for rpgs.

[Dones]

Personally I think the Genesis has the edge with the great variety found in its game library. Sure the SNES has prettier graphics and sound, but once you look outside the usual Nintendo franchises the offerings start to get rather bland. Don't get me wrong, there are some great titles in both camps. Still Genesis games show a certain rebellious edge that is still palpable to this day. Companies were not shackled by Nintendo's kid friendly restrictions, and it shows.

Edited November 20, 2005 by Dones

[Recycled]

Retro-gamers, am I wrong? If so, why? What else is out there that I don't have but would need?

968645[/snapback]

 

 

Yea, you probably don't "need" anything else...I feel quite comfortable with my (2) 2600's, colecovision, and ps2(which I hardly ever play anything "modern" on--I'm more likely to play retrocomps and psone(Monster Rancher) games on it).

 

I miss my Genesis--I let my son take it to his mom's, but I've got more than enough to entertain myself every night.

[ATARIeric]

Still Genesis games show a certain rebellious edge that is still palpable to this day. Companies were not shackled by Nintendo's kid friendly restrictions, and it shows.

 

my brother bought mortal kombat for SNES & I got it for my genny & that was the first time I realized that nintendo was kid friendly. What the hell is MK without blood

 

 

was there a code or something to get blood on the snes ?

[galaxy warrior]

genesis is good dont get me wrong. but to be set with only one system i would definatly go with NES before genesis. but it still stands tall as one of the better of systems on all time.

[JB]

Still Genesis games show a certain rebellious edge that is still palpable to this day. Companies were not shackled by Nintendo's kid friendly restrictions, and it shows.

 

my brother bought mortal kombat for SNES & I got it for my genny & that was the first time I realized that nintendo was kid friendly. What the hell is MK without blood

 

 

was there a code or something to get blood on the snes ?

968897[/snapback]

Nope. Genesis version was the only one with a blood code.

[+Random Terrain]

Retro-gamers, am I wrong? If so, why? What else is out there that I don't have but would need?

968645[/snapback]

May not be wrong for you, but it's wrong for me. There were two main reasons why I liked 'classic' games in the early 1980s:

 

1. The good ones were fun. More fun than playing cards, board games, or Frisbee.

 

2. Even a bad game was new and exciting for at least a short time.

 

Some classic games have great gameplay, but they are no longer new, so I mostly play them when I'm in a nostalgic mood. Most of the games do not interest me that much anymore, especially the Super Mario type games from the mid to late 1980s that made you replay levels if you didn't do things perfectly.

 

I like new games with new worlds to explore and smarter characters and graphics that look closer to real life with each generation. The cartoony crap that most people are still in love with is OK for a while, but I get sick of the same old Japanese-looking junk. I can't wait for the day when many games will look so good that it will seem like you are watching and interacting with live video. Then after they perfect virtual reality suits and virtual reality rooms, it will feel like you are really there. You'll be able to see, smell, and feel all of the objects in the game world. Do things you would never try in real life, like climbing a bridge or building or mountain. Go swimming with sharks, ride on the wing of an airplane, or take a walk on the Moon or visit Mars and explore the pyramids and other interesting locations there.

[Dones]

was there a code or something to get blood on the snes ?

That's a good question. I am sure someone will jump in at the chance to answer it.

 

When I mentioned Genesis games having a rebellious edge I didn't mean violence and gore, but I guess it might as well be. I was thinking in general terms about the amount of arcade ports the console enjoyed. The sense of speed in Sonic. The anime styled Phantasy Star series. The techno/dance influenced Streets of Rage soundtrack. The variety of action/adventure games with comic book type characters like wolves, ninjas, robots, barbarians, chicks with pixelated cleavage, etc. If SEGA had not made so many bad business decisions it would be very different times right now.

[ATARIeric]

That's a good question. I am sure someone will jump in at the chance to answer it.

 

 

I just found this

 

 

Change Sweat Into Blood

This is a Game Genie code. To use it press Escape, click on Cheat, and Add Code. Where it says "Enter Code", type in BDB4-DD07 (with the dash), put in a description, and click on "Add". Repeat for DDB4-DFA7 using the same description. Close the "Cheat" box in ZSNES and reset the game.

 

I guess that is for emulators but that is a code for snes ?

Edited November 20, 2005 by ATARIeric

[silverpoodleman]

I miss my Genesis--I let my son take it to his mom's, but I've got more than enough to entertain myself every night.

Nah, too easy. I gotta let this one pass!

[silverpoodleman]

Retro-gamers, am I wrong? If so, why? What else is out there that I don't have but would need?

968645[/snapback]

May not be wrong for you, but it's wrong for me. There were two main reasons why I liked 'classic' games in the early 1980s:

 

1. The good ones were fun. More fun than playing cards, board games, or Frisbee.

 

2. Even a bad game was new and exciting for at least a short time.

 

Some classic games have great gameplay, but they are no longer new, so I mostly play them when I'm in a nostalgic mood. Most of the games do not interest me that much anymore, especially the Super Mario type games from the mid to late 1980s that made you replay levels if you didn't do things perfectly.

 

I like new games with new worlds to explore and smarter characters and graphics that look closer to real life with each generation. The cartoony crap that most people are still in love with is OK for a while, but I get sick of the same old Japanese-looking junk. I can't wait for the day when many games will look so good that it will seem like you are watching and interacting with live video. Then after they perfect virtual reality suits and virtual reality rooms, it will feel like you are really there. You'll be able to see, smell, and feel all of the objects in the game world. Do things you would never try in real life, like climbing a bridge or building or mountain. Go swimming with sharks, ride on the wing of an airplane, or take a walk on the Moon or visit Mars and explore the pyramids and other interesting locations there.

968981[/snapback]

In that case, I would not call you a retro-gamer. I think a retro-gamer looks for enjoyment from the past. You seem more interested in the future with the occasional look backward for sentimental reasons.

 

Not that there is anything wrong with that. It is a fine way to be and I know many, many people who agree with you. It just isn't what drives the retro-gamer. We are like treasure hunters, combing over unwanted beaches for a good place to dig (kind of like Pirates! Gold).

 

I love the fact that I am rediscovering these (to me) lost classics. For example, I had never heard of Ristar (for the genny) and now it is my and my kids' favorite game. My daughter told me yesterday that she missed playing Atari 2600 and wanted to play less genny and more Atari.

 

I get no thrill/satisfaction with the technilogical acheivments of todays' video games. They just do not do it for me, a retro-gamer.

[JB]

That's a good question. I am sure someone will jump in at the chance to answer it.

 

 

I just found this

 

 

Change Sweat Into Blood

This is a Game Genie code. To use it press Escape, click on Cheat, and Add Code. Where it says "Enter Code", type in BDB4-DD07 (with the dash), put in a description, and click on "Add". Repeat for DDB4-DFA7 using the same description. Close the "Cheat" box in ZSNES and reset the game.

 

I guess that is for emulators but that is a code for snes ?

969041[/snapback]

It's a code for the SNES Game Genie.

 

I suppse if you really just want red pixels flying off the characters instead of white ones...

[+Random Terrain]

In that case, I would not call you a retro-gamer. I think a retro-gamer looks for enjoyment from the past. You seem more interested in the future with the occasional look backward for sentimental reasons.

969116[/snapback]

Yeah, that sounds about right to me. Besides good gameplay, I liked 'classic' games because they were new.

 

On a similar subject, different toys came out in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s that I really wanted, but could not get or even touch until years later. By that time I had outgrown them. They would have scratched an itch at the proper time, but once I missed that window of opportunity, I couldn't go back. The itch was gone. The toys were dead to me. I can get toys that I owned or played with and use them to help remember the past, but that's about it.

 

Many video games are like that for me too. For example, I never got to play arcade games that I drooled over like Space Harrier and After Burner more than a couple of times when they were new, and now it's very hard to go back. They looked so cool then, but they're so ugly and primitive looking now. Many clean, crisp, pure looking Atari 2600 games look better than that blocky 3D-like stuff from the late 1980s and beyond. I always tell myself that if I can't play a game now, I'll have a chance in the future, but it's always a lie because the itch will be gone and the new and amazing game won't look so new and amazing 5 or 10 or 20 years later.

 

So yeah, I must not be a real retro-gamer because there is so much of it I can't go back to.

[rockfistus]

I love my Genesis and Super Nintendo....those systems were the peak of console gaming. Both of them damnit. (I love my NES, 7800 and Gamecube too)

 

Whatever the Genesis didn't have...the Super did. Whatever the SNES didn't have the genesis did. Super Mario World is a damn masterpiece, it bores me nowadays but I'll never forget how killer it was when it came out. Same for Sonic....I remember everyone wanted a Genesis after Sonic came out.

 

One thing I'll never understand though is why the original Shinobi arcade game was never ported to the Genesis.......Damn you Sega! But Strider rocked! And you can't get that on the SNES surprisingly.

 

[Dr. Morbis]

I can't wait for the day when many games will look so good that it will seem like you are watching and interacting with live video. Then after they perfect virtual reality suits and virtual reality rooms, it will feel like you are really there. You'll be able to see, smell, and feel all of the objects in the game world

This is what I can't stand about *most* modern games. Why all the drive for realism? What's the point? Gaming is supposed to be an escape from reality. I find it almost humorous that some guys in a cubicle are paid to spend hours pre-rendering a tree (for example) to look as life-like as possible. If I want to see a tree, I'll look out my window.

 

That's why I loved the pre-playstation era. All that creative energy and imagination is gone. GTA players prefer (I guess) to just pretend they are goons who can flaunt the laws of society and be complete a-holes for kicks. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Or maybe I'm just old enough to get the "been there, done that" feeling with every new 3D game that comes down the pipe. But I can play a new NES game that I've never heard of that will blow me away with it's unique game play or funky universe, and it will feel more fresh than the newest release for the current gen.

 

Anyway, as for the topic question, replace Genesis with NES and I'm right there with you man!

[+Random Terrain]

This is what I can't stand about *most* modern games. Why all the drive for realism?  What's the point? Gaming is supposed to be an escape from reality.

969199[/snapback]

Gaming is supposed to be whatever you want it to be. If you are satisfied wallowing in 2D cartoon worlds for the rest of your life and playing the same levels over and over again until you get it right, do that.

 

A 3D realistic game world that hasn't been invented yet can be an escape from reality depending on how you look at it. I will never fly an airplane, especially one with simple controls. I will never climb a mountain and jump off of it or spawn a car and drive off of it. I will never smash windows, crash my car into buildings, rob houses, have a huge shootout with the cops and the army, or drive a sports car really fast as I weave around traffic. I will never fly around a city using a jet pack. I will never steal a police car and go on missions or any of the other things you could do in a game like that. If all you want to do is go shopping in Paris and drink tea in London with your pinky in the air, you could do that too. You are limited only by your imagination and the imagination of the programmers.

 

 

 

I find it almost humorous that some guys in a cubicle are paid to spend hours pre-rendering a tree (for example) to look as life-like as possible.

969199[/snapback]

They shouldn't have to spend hours messing around with details unless a specific, unusual thing is required. The computer will be able to do a lot of things humans had to do before.

 

 

 

If I want to see a tree, I'll look out my window.

969199[/snapback]

And if I want to see a cartoon tree, I'll watch the Simpsons instead of playing an old 2D cartoony game. That makes about as much sense. Do you own that tree you mentioned? Can you go outside and climb that tree, chop it down, burn it, build something with it, turn into a monster and throw it at a helicopter?

 

 

 

GTA players prefer (I guess) to just pretend they are goons who can flaunt the laws of society and be complete a-holes for kicks.

969199[/snapback]

Right, those are the only things you can do in those games. All of the other cool things I can do in GTA: SA, that have nothing to do with that stuff, is all in my mind I guess.

 

 

 

Different strokes for different folks I guess.  Or maybe I'm just old enough to get the "been there, done that" feeling with every new 3D game that comes down the pipe.

969199[/snapback]

Seems like you haven't been there and done anything since your attitude about these games seems to be based on what you have seen in a few commercials. You seem to have a surface knowledge of the worst parts of these games or are you so perverted that those things are all you can think of to do in the games? Where has your creative energy and imagination gone?

 

 

 

But I can play a new NES game that I've never heard of that will blow me away with it's unique game play or funky universe, and it will feel more fresh than the newest release for the current gen.

969199[/snapback]

Are you saying that you can't create unique gameplay or a funky universe in a 3D world? Do you really believe that? You haven't even seen a fraction of what is to come. The GTA games don't even come close to what I am talking about. I require 3D Earth-based worlds that look like live video, but you can take that idea and create realistic feeling fantasy worlds too. Things may not look or act like they do on Earth, but the game world will seem and look believable for that reality.

 

All we need are leaps in technology and people constantly working to bring on the glorious future of gaming. Computers will make these games easier to create, so it can and will be done.

 

If your dirty mind will keep you away from the great 3D games to come, that's your loss. There are enough old, cartoony, 2D games out there to keep you busy for a lifetime, but I have been there and done that to death, so you'll find me in the virtual reality rooms and 'holodecks' of the future. I'll save you a spot in case you change your mind.

Edited November 21, 2005 by Random Terrain

[AlexKIDD]

I don't think I could get by with just a genesis. The lowest I could go would probably be genesis, snes and turbo duo. However it is a very nice well rounded system. A nice amount of good games in most genres. Tons of good shooters and sports games. Some nice rpg's,fighting games and side scrollers as well. The sound chip and color palette weren't too great in my opinion but as far as the selection of games goes it's an excellent system.

[liveinabin]

The whole 16 bit era just left me cold. I think it's the graphics, there were some really creative things done on 8-bits (because you had to, realism wasn't an option) but the creativity of design generally settled down as machines got more powerful. Then we had the jump to 3D with the 32 bit systems, and it was like the 8-bit years again, trying to suggest form with a very limited amount of polygons. I love the aesthetic that comes from that struggle and feel it was missing on the Genesis and SNES to some degree (of course there are exceptions). Not only that, but gaming really got stuffed into 'genres' during the late 80's/early 90's. I hate genres.

But that's just what I feel. If you've found a system that really does it for you, then superb. I love the 2600 and Saturn for the reasons stated above.

[silverpoodleman]

So yeah, I must not be a real retro-gamer because there is so much of it I can't go back to.

And that's cool too - It's a big world out there and there is plenty of room for people who like chocolate, people who like vanilla, people who like both and people who like neither.