Sega Master System Popularity?

[Famicoman]

No.

[shadow460]

Actually, I might be in the same corner with sku on this one.

I've yet to see any 7800 game flicker. Granted, there's not many of them, but some of them look really sharp.

 

The only SMS item I've ever owned is this Light Phaser. It works better with my 7800 than the Zapper does with my dad's NES.

 

A freind of mine had an SMS back in the day. Now I wish I'd played it.

All I can really say is that in one regard the NES was like the 2600. There were sooo many games that it was easy to go rent a dud.

 

I've seen the NES's weak attempt at 3D, too. Granted, 3D is not a quality present in the 7800, but the 3D I experienced with the colored glasses and NES Rad Racer just didn't cut the mustard.

 

As for Sega itself, I can appreciate the way they do business. The SMS might or might not have been the best, but Sega is very loyal to its customers. If/when they make a new console, this customer will return that loyalty.

 

'Til then, long live the mighty ProSystem!!

[SteveW]

There was a little bit of flicker on the 7800 with Midnight Mutants. When you got a whole bunch of zombies on the same scanline, you'd end up with a lot of flicker. That was the only time that I can recall the 7800's graphics stuttering.

[sega saturn x]

The SMS might or might not have been the best, but Sega is very loyal to its customers.

I find this hard to believe sega has ignored it fans and screwed them over since the death of the dreamcast, and acually well before it too.

[BydoEmpire]

I love my SMS. The light gun games are particularly good, and I would say better overal than any other system. There are some stinkers like any other machine, but overall I like the system and games. Too each their own, but I still play mine at least as much as my NES.

[BydoEmpire]

The SMS might or might not have been the best, but Sega is very loyal to its customers.

I find this hard to believe sega has ignored it fans and screwed them over since the death of the dreamcast, and acually well before it too.

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If Sega wasn't loyal to their customers, Panzer Dragoon Orta would never have seen the light of day. Shenmue 2 would never have seen the light of day. Heck, even Shenmue 1 would have probably been canned. Outrun 2 would have never gotten out of the arcade. I haven't been a big fan of *too* many of Sega's recent offerings, but I can't fault them for not trying to please the fans. Yes, they've made some stupid business decisions, but that's a totally separate issue.

[+uosipa llamxew]

I think that Sega has always been too innovative for their own good.

 

On topic: I love my SMS! I don't consider myself a "collector", but I do pick up games for the system now and again.

[sega saturn x]

The SMS might or might not have been the best, but Sega is very loyal to its customers.

I find this hard to believe sega has ignored it fans and screwed them over since the death of the dreamcast, and acually well before it too.

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If Sega wasn't loyal to their customers, Panzer Dragoon Orta would never have seen the light of day. Shenmue 2 would never have seen the light of day. Heck, even Shenmue 1 would have probably been canned. Outrun 2 would have never gotten out of the arcade. I haven't been a big fan of *too* many of Sega's recent offerings, but I can't fault them for not trying to please the fans. Yes, they've made some stupid business decisions, but that's a totally separate issue.

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If sega really loved its fans they wouldn't keep making such trashy games. Lets face it sega hasn't made a good game in the past couple of years. And panzer dragoon was a popular saturn title so they figured why not try it again. I don't think it had much to do with fan love. And didn't microsoft buy the shenmue rights? If they hadn't I doubt we wouldl have seen shenmue 2. Also where is shenmue 3? It's only been rumored for what 3 years now?

 

If sega really loved its fans they would try to make good compilation discs. Or at least make ones people actually wanted. I have no faith in sega anymore, they screwed the saturn and then went on to ruin most of their best franchises. Hell you could fill a book with all the stupid crap they have done. Where was the fan love in killing shemue and virtua fighter 3 for the saturn? The games they promised for years but of course never made for the saturn. Where was the real sonic game? I'm sorry but sega doesn't seem to hold their fans in high regard. They did for a while with the cast but when that died they went back to doing the same old bull shit.

[8th lutz]

If Sega wasn't loyal to their customers, Panzer Dragoon Orta would never have seen the light of day.   Shenmue 2 would never have seen the light of day.  Heck, even Shenmue 1 would have probably been canned.  Outrun 2 would have never gotten out of the arcade.  I haven't been a big fan of *too* many of Sega's recent offerings, but I can't fault them for not trying to please the fans.   Yes, they've made some stupid business decisions, but that's a totally separate issue.

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Sega hasn't pleased the fan's much. They didn't bring over the first 2 orginal Phantasy Star game remakes for Playstations, Didn't revise the original Phantasy Star series, scrapped on Enternal Champions the Saturn due to lack of popularity for it in Japan and screw the american Gamers by doing that. They Also changed the type of game Shining Force by turning it into an action Rpg.

Edited December 10, 2005 by 8th lutz

[SteveW]

Sega's just released a Dreamcast bundle pack in Japan with the newly released game Rajirugi. It's pretty nice that Sega's still putting out Dreamcasts for special occasions after all this time.

 

http://scenedicate.dreamcast-scene.com/ind...adirectrajirugi

[davepesc]

I will need to try with a genesis controller next time I get a new game.  And really I don't know how good the sports games are since I would pretty much never buy sports game.  Just not in to sports.

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Sports games are the exceptions in video games, I think, in that for the most part, you can't go back.

 

Super Mario Bros. will always be SMB, Sonic will always be Sonic, no matter how many platformers they make, but it always feels like downgrading to play old sports sims when the newer ones frankly are much better.

 

I'll never play Madden 2000 again. I think I can say that pretty safely.

[Zonie]

Sounds like a "Should Atari make a Flashback SMS?" kinda question.

[ApolloBoy]

There was a little bit of flicker on the 7800 with Midnight Mutants. When you got a whole bunch of zombies on the same scanline, you'd end up with a lot of flicker. That was the only time that I can recall the 7800's graphics stuttering.

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I'm pretty skeptical of the 7800's graphical abilites too. For example, whenever I get to the end of a stage in Commando, it always slows down. I thought the 7800 could handle 100 sprites at once...

[ApolloBoy]

Why the rolley eyes?  I have at least one of every system that was ever released in North America.  The SMS, RCA Studio II and Channel F are by far the worst of the bunch.  The only redeeming quality I can think of for the SMS are that the controllers were compatable with some Atari systems.

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Because when I quoted you, you just stated that the SMS sucks without saying anything to back it up.

[DracIsBack]

I really liked the SMS.  Still it was a classic case of how more power hardware does not necessarily win the war.  NES was inferior in term of graphics and sound, but we all know how that turned out.  Oddly SMS was more popular than NES in Europe.

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Actually, I think the NES has better sound.

[DracIsBack]

I'm pretty skeptical of the 7800's graphical abilites too. For example, whenever I get to the end of a stage in Commando, it always slows down. I thought the 7800 could handle 100 sprites at once...

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The 7800 builds the display line by line ... different from the NES and SMS. It enables it to have really flexible graphics designs and move around a lot of objects, but scrolling games aren't its forte -- usually a little more work on the system.

 

I wish someone would try a space harrier port on the 7800.

[DracIsBack]

The Sega Master System is one of those systems that I don't play for a while and then come back to after a time and play a lot.

 

My third console (after a Gemini and 7800) was a Sega Master System II right when the console was dying out in North America. I *LOVED* Golden Axe Warrior. I sold it along with my original 7800 in 1993. In 1996, I bought a second SMS because I missed it. The games I got round 2 weren't very good and I ended up selling the system again six months later.

 

Then about three years ago, I found myself missing the SMS again and bought another SMS 1 and have been collecting for the system ever since. One of the appealing things about me for the SMS this round is that european games became very cheap and very common on Ebay (much like NES games in North America) due to system popularity over there.

 

Not only did I re-acquire my fav (Golden Axe Warrior), I got a lot of solid euro games that didn't come out here, like POPULOUS, GAUNTLET and IMPOSSIBLE MISSION

 

I don't believe "X system is better than Y" arguments ... usually each system has a strength and weakness. Yes, the SMS flickers and can be choppy. So can the NES (which I also have). But at the end of the day, I found it a fun system with a lot of variety and most games can be picked up inexpensively.

[8th lutz]

I don't believe "X system is better than Y" arguments ... usually each system has a strength and weakness. Yes, the SMS flickers and can be choppy. So can the NES (which I also have). But at the end of the day, I found it a fun system with a lot of variety and most games can be picked up inexpensively.

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Agreed. Without the Sms I wouldn't have discovered some great games and is great to have along with an nes, and a 7800. Not system is the perfect game system. All three systems together are.

[Trip_Cannon]

The SMS isn't my favorite system per say, it's up there. I remember playing California Games at my friends house for hours upon hours.

 

However, it has to be my absolute favorite to collect for. There are so many titles on it that are complete oddities to me in addition to some well known classics. The best thing about the games, as it was mentioned before, are the plastic cases! Because of the cases, I've tended to find SMS games complete in box with instructions 95% of the time in thrift shops, garage sales, etc. Where as with NES games and 7800 games I'd hardly find a box to go along with and you could forget about instructions.

 

Has anybody played Golden Axe Warrior?

[classicgamingguy]

I never did acquire one of these systems when I was younger. I went right to the Genny and loved every minute of it. In fact, I wish I still had my old Genny with Sonic, Shining Force, etc...

 

Steve

[DracIsBack]

Has anybody played Golden Axe Warrior?

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My favorite SMS game. I know it's a total Zelda ripoff, but I played this one first and now I have a hard time getting into Zelda.

 

Has great graphics, a huge world, hidden areas and features all the Golden Axe characters, Zela style.

 

I LOVE IT.

 

It is the only game I deliberately purchased with each of my MASTER SYSTEMS. I bought an original when it was new (huge golden axe fan and quest game fan). I bought a used copy with my second SMS before the game became rare.

 

When I was buying my third SMS, GOLDEN AXE WARRIOR had become a hot commodity on Ebay. I was lucky enough to buy one at a low price when the seller accidentally said it was "PAL ONLY". I knew this wasn't the case, so I bid anyway and got it for much less.

[MegaManFan]

Yes there are still SMS collectors.. usually hanging on the DP forums.

 

And one who hangs out here!

 

1. It was the only console I got "extended play" on in childhood, because a friend loaned me his and a dozen games for an entire summer in my teens.

2. The SMS was as a result the first collection I decided to complete once I started collecting seriously. It was also the first console specific gaming board I posted on.

3. Only a few of the US release titles were rare, and only one was really expensive CIB (Buster Douglas Boxing). An affordable way to break into collecting.

4. Expanding beyond US titles is a lot of fun since it's 99.5% compatible with releases around the world, save mostly for some Brazilian titles made for their own funky market (where SMS mutated heavily).

5. Some have knocked the box art, but can you knock the fact that the clamshell style meant most people kept the box, game AND the instructions? That's a dream come true for the hardcore.

6. Who says the SMS games are crappy? I challenge you to tell me that Alex Kidd in Miracle World, Wonder Boy III, Sonic the Hedgehog, Golden Axe, Y's the Vanished Omens and Phantasy Star (among MANY others) are crappy games.

[Dr. Van Thorp]

Well, I remember reading somewhere that the Sega Master System had most of the same internal hardware as the Colecovision, so if the graphics really were better than the NES, it is because the people designing the game graphics were better at it than the guys designing NES graphics.

 

Was it possible to build an adapter to play Colecovision games on te SMS?

[NightSprinter]

It would all depend on what video and sound chips the SMS used. Plus you need something to simulate the 12-key keypad on the CV controllers.

 

Yes, I do know the CV is technically-similar to the MSX, and the SMS to the MSX2, but we need to consider the specs of the systems and their capabilities/limitations.

 

Anyways, I think the SMS had some pretty good games that I want to acquire more of. Granted, I think that Tengen could've done MUCH better with their port of Ms. Pac-Man in Europe, and should have done the SMS port of Pac-Mania instead of Grandslam, but there were still other excellent ports of other arcade games:

 

Gauntlet (is actually like the arcade game, not like the quest-like NES version)

Double Dragon (also like the arcade game, and 2-player simultaneous)

 

 

That's all I know of so far, because I don't have too many SMS games so far. I hope to acquire more peripherals and such soon.

[Atariboy2600]

I like the old Sega Master Systems I some time play them from time to time, Here's a pic with my own collection of SMS box sets.