Another potential block-list candidate.

[NightSprinter]

I swear, the nerve of some people on eBay. This guy who goes by the name kingnothing2003 on eBay has not only rediculous requirements for payment (he only "excepts" a U.S. Postal Money order and ships ONLY to the U.S., and will reflect anything else negatively in your feedback), but his after-auction requirements are a bit rediculous as well (contact him no LATER than TWO days after auction's close, and payment must come in no LATER than SEVEN days after the end of an auction, even if it is multiple items that end on seperate days).

 

I mistakenly sent him an AMSCOT money order for $10, and he's sending the money back and requesting I send the $17 for a copy of "Pac-Man" and "Dig-Dug" on floppy (DataSoft versions) still sealed in the original Val-U-Soft packaging. I sent an e-mail stating how difficult it was to meet his rediculous requirements for auctions that ended two to three days apart around Christmas-time (like anyone really wants to wait for two hours or more in a long-ass line at the post office for a meager money order?), and to require payment for all won items within the seven days of each auction's close as he requires in the auction listing is too unrealistic.

 

I'm a tad concerned about this guy leaving me negative feedback because of an honest mistake, and moreso on his requirements for the auction. I'm going to consider placing him on a blocked-seller list after the transaction, but what do I do if he leaves a negative feedback (despite I sent him a message stating I did not have time to properly send the payment as required due to the time constraints from how his listing is done)? I could use a little advice here on this one.

[+Omegamatrix]

This guy sounds like a jackass, and you're in a tough spot. I'm not sure myself what the difference between the two types of money orders you listed is. If he's going to neg you over this then you'll just have to take it as you've done the best you can do to make up for the mistake. There's not much more you can do. Make sure if he does neg you that you follow up that neg with factual information. Avoid calling names and such as it strangers who read your feedback later won't know who to believe if you both are yelling at each other. If he leaves you a neg say something like "Made a honest mistake w/ type of M.O., Sent new one ASAP, seller still not happy." which sounds so much better than "SELLER IS SCAM ARTIST!! CROOK MADE ME SEND ANOTHER MONEY ORDER AND LEFT NEG!!" to someone who doesn't know either of you.

 

I've never bided two or three days after wining an item without paying for the first auction. I don't feel that's fair to sellers. Just my two cents.

[NightSprinter]

Omega, the type he requires can only be purchased at a U.S. Post Office. THe one I bought was through a place that was a bit similar to an H&R Block. Also, don't you mean it's unfair to the "buyer" for the seller to have all these rediculous requirements?

[Recycled]

Omega, the type he requires can only be purchased at a U.S. Post Office.  THe one I bought was through a place that was a bit similar to an H&R Block.  Also, don't you mean it's unfair to the "buyer" for the seller to have all these rediculous requirements?

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As an ebay seller myself....that's shitty costomer service. I wouldn't deal with anyone that anal.

[+Omegamatrix]

Omega, the type he requires can only be purchased at a U.S. Post Office.  THe one I bought was through a place that was a bit similar to an H&R Block.  Also, don't you mean it's unfair to the "buyer" for the seller to have all these rediculous requirements?

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Definitely unfair for the seller to be that harsh. When I was first on eBay I had a similar experience as yours. I bought from a seller and then realized he had money order only listed in his auction. He was taking Paypal for his other auctions listed at the same time, but not this particular item. It ended badly, and now I only bid on auctions that list Paypal as a form of payment.

 

I'm curious what he would have said if you offered to cover the Paypal fees, and pay him immediately. If he still insisted on money order only I'd be worried that he wouldn't even send the package.

 

Is one type of money order guaranteed and the other not?

[video game addict]

I think that's Lance from Video61. I've bought from kingnothing2003 before and I believe that's where payment was being mailed to, been awhile though.

 

Thing is though, the auction explained specifically what the payment options were, and yet you chose to ignore them. A postal money order can be cashed at the post office when he's mailing your package, no other money order can. He has to have a checking account to cash any other type of money order & then he has to wait on it to make sure it clears his bank, and it's more of a hassle on him. I also only accept postal money orders, or paypal for me. I don't blaime him for what he's doing, he sets the ground rules as the seller, he states them in the auction, you as a possible bidder should read in advance, and follow.

 

Maybe you should tell us your userid on ebay so we can block you as it's clear you don't follow instructions or read auctions before bidding.

[holygrailvideogames.com]

Postal money orders can be cashed at the U.S. Post Office which is a big plus over other money orders. I have used the same bank for the last 15 years. The bank that I bank at doesn't have a location close to me and I have to drive 10+ miles to get to the bank. It is a major inconvenience for me when someone sends me a money order other than a Postal money order. I don't know about this seller but that is the case for me. Luckily the bank that I bank at is building a location in my town that should be open in a few months so it won't be an issue for me much longer.

[MegaManFan]

Definitely unfair for the seller to be that harsh. When I was first on eBay I had a similar experience as yours. I bought from a seller and then realized he had money order only listed in his auction. He was taking Paypal for his other auctions listed at the same time, but not this particular item. It ended badly, and now I only bid on auctions that list Paypal as a form of payment.

 

This seems to be n00b hell 101. The same thing happened to me 5-6 years ago, when I first joined. My first few auctions were no sweat, then I ran into a seller whose patently ridiculous terms didn't fully occur to me until after the auction closed. He had a "pay in 7 days or I neg you" attitude, and since I wasn't checking eBay daily back then I didn't even realize I had won his auction until a few days later. I was working two jobs at the time - a daily 9 to 5 grind and my own business (which wasn't yet profitable) so I barely even had time to think about going to the post office for a money order. At the halfway point I realized he'd never get it in time anyway since mail to or from Michigan was always ridiculously slow for me. Wait - seller accepts PayPal? I sign up for a PayPal account, get the verifying deposits, and wait for the amount I owe him to transfer in. Unfortunately I didn't realize this takes several business days - I thought it would happen like snap. I send the seller a very apologetic e-mail saying due to circumstances beyond my control and my inexperience with eBay this didn't go as planned, but I'd still be happy to drop a sealed envelope with cash into an overnight envelope at my own expense - despite the fact overnighting the payment to meet his terms would cost as much as the auction itself. I'm thinking that's pretty generous and the seller will be understanding but I got an incredibly rude reply back that basically amounted to "You didn't meet my terms, you're not going to get payment here in time, and I'm going to neg you no matter what. Screw you." I said to myself fine, you know what, I'll neg you first. I left scathing feedback saying the seller was an unreasonable prick who wouldn't accept payment even though I would go out of my way to pay and that he threatens to neg anybody who can meet his terms, no exceptions under any circumstances. He of course negs me right back. A day or two later the funds show up in my PayPal account. *sigh* It's a wonder that debacle didn't put me off eBay altogether, but after my ire over the whole thing died down I went back to it and have been (mostly) satisfied ever since.

[NightSprinter]

I think that's Lance from Video61. I've bought from kingnothing2003 before and I believe that's where payment was being mailed to, been awhile though.

 

Thing is though, the auction explained specifically what the payment options were, and yet you chose to ignore them. A postal money order can be cashed at the post office when he's mailing your package, no other money order can. He has to have a checking account to cash any other type of money order & then he has to wait on it to make sure it clears his bank, and it's more of a hassle on him. I also only accept postal money orders, or paypal for me. I don't blaime him for what he's doing, he sets the ground rules as the seller, he states them in the auction, you as a possible bidder should read in advance, and follow.

 

Maybe you should tell us your userid on ebay so we can block you as it's clear you don't follow instructions or read auctions before bidding.

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Good God. Are you ALWAYS this much of an asshole to people? This was the FIRST mistake I've made ever since I've JOINED eBay in 2000. Let's recap some things: guy asks for contact within two days after close of auction, payment for EACH item within seven days of EACH auction's close. It's the 14th of December, I'm having to rush to get this taken care of (as I had to do some Christmas shopping as well, thank you very much), and made a simple mistake. WHERE the hell do you get the right to state that everyone else here should get my eBay ID and put me on block? Listen I'm sorry I'm a normal person who has to take care of things like any OTHER person here, but please just drop it and stop jumping in to attack others because of the fact they made a mistake.

 

P.S. I didn't choose to ignore anything. I got the first paymetn RIGHT believe it or not (it was for a Jumpman Jr. disk new in the Val-U-Soft original packaging), but this was BEFORE the Christmas rush got worse. Combine that with having to getting packed for a week-long trip out of state for Christmas and yes problems like this will happen.

Edited December 29, 2005 by NightSprinter

[NightSprinter]

Postal money orders can be cashed at the U.S. Post Office which is a big plus over other money orders.  I have used the same bank for the last 15 years.  The bank that I bank at doesn't have a location close to me and I have to drive 10+ miles to get to the bank.  It is a major inconvenience for me when someone sends me a money order other than a Postal money order.  I don't know about this seller but that is the case for me.  Luckily the bank that I bank at is building a location in my town that should be open in a few months so it won't be an issue for me much longer.

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I can understand in a case such as yours, where you have to drive a distance just to go to the closest branch, but also in the case of this seller he does not state WHY he prefers only postal money orders. It's just "do this and this only or automatic negative feedback". I'm not bitter against anyone regarding this auction, but this needs to serve as a lesson for any other person who wishes to sell on eBay:

 

If you want to accept (not "except") only one form of payment, PLEASE state WHY you have to. Just stating that you do without reason can lead to bad blood between you and your customers.

[SimonTemplar]

I was once paid with an "international" money order ; it cost me 4,50 $ in fees to change it at my bank and the bank froze it for nearly 2 months.

 

...and btw, that was a 2.99$ item .

 

 

This is why it is clearly stated in my auctions that I only take "Postal Money Orders (Post Canada in my case)" as they can be changed without hassle at the post office and they will not charge any fees.

[video game addict]

Good God.  Are you ALWAYS this much of an asshole to people?

 

Yes, I'm always an asshole to idiots.

 

 

This was the FIRST mistake I've made ever since I've JOINED eBay in 2000.

 

And your point is?

 

 

 

Let's recap some things: guy asks for contact within two days after close of auction, payment for EACH item within seven days of EACH auction's close.  It's the 14th of December, I'm having to rush to get this taken care of (as I had to do some Christmas shopping as well, thank you very much), and made a simple mistake. 

 

I don't see a problem here, his auction is very clear, albeit grammatically incorrect, and you knew UPFRONT that correspondence was due within a couple days of auction close, with payments due in seven. And yes you knew UPFRONT the one method of payment he allowed, and still you sent a different type of money order?

 

You posted above that you didn't want to wait in the long lines of the post office to pick up the correct form of payment, so you sent AMSCOT money order. You are in the wrong here, and there is no problem with the seller. Clearly you must realize this?

 

So you come here to post "Another potential block-list candidate"

 

If anyone deserves to be a potential block-list candidate it's you, because you obviously do not read or follow the payment instructions of the auction. It's the seller's call as to what forms of payment are accepted, and whether they choose to explain them or not, is their prerogative. What if he told you he has no checking account? He would have NO WAY to accept your Amscot money order, that you sent because you 'wanted to' It's really none of your business why he allows or disallows certain forms of money orders, but it's most certainly not his fault if you screw up.

 

So, your whole post here is really a waste of time because it just shows that you did not follow the auction to the seller's terms, and you came here to be a whiney bitch.

 

WHERE the hell do you get the right to state that everyone else here should get my eBay ID and put me on block? 

 

You put the idea in my head with the whole point of this thread.

[NightSprinter]

Ok, you need to start being civil here. You're not even fully quoting my post to start with.

 

1.) I contacted the seller apologizing for my error and stated I would send the correct money order.

 

2.) I stated that the first auction I paid for PROPERLY. If I didn't, then I wouldn't have the diskette I own right now.

 

3.) I stated a valid point that this person does NOT list WHY he/she prefers postal money orders. I've read auctions where sellers require a certain type of payment and ONLY that type of payment, but GAVE a reason why. This person does not tell his customers why he does so (I've worked in retail for over four years now, and trying to sell something and not giving full information is an automatic "buyer-beware" sign).

 

I know you ya like to retaliate, but since you're from my homestate I'll give you a break.

 

The thing is, VGA, I did admit I made a mistake. I contacted the seller stating that I'm going to correct it by sending the proper money order. The thing is, it's just that he doesn't state why he requires only a U.S. Postal Money-Order (which a few who've posted in this thread did state why) in his auctions. I guess I really just wanted to state that this guy needs to be given some consideration when bidding from because he's so unclear about the "Postal Money-Order only" bit.

 

So, I've pretty much explained myself. Want to put the whole argument to rest and move on?

Edited December 30, 2005 by NightSprinter

[video game addict]

I get sooo tired of seeing people pop in here and complain about sellers who are upfront about their listings, they state specifically what the shipping charges are, or what forms of payment are required. Still people come here to complain about them. Why is that?

 

This seller's entire first paragraph is nothing but payment & auction terms that he expects out of any potential bidders. You as a bidder/buyer MUST follow them. You agree to his terms when you place that bid. If you didn't agree to them, you should have passed on the auction.

 

You're still complaining that he should explain WHY he only accepts postal money orders, but that's none of your business and is not a fault of the seller. Mcgrail & I both explained why postal money orders are preferred, but really it doesn't matter if there is ANY logical explanation for accepting what he does, maybe he only likes the color of USPS money orders, ultimately it's his call, and you don't get any say in the matter.

 

Maybe you should go back & re-read the rules governing ebay auctions, that gives the right to the seller, in setting up auctions to their terms. No one has to explain why to you, but no one is forcing you to buy from the seller either. Your valid point is rather pointless.

[danwinslow]

Not that anyone cares, but I think that VGA is completely correct. Read the auction, and follow directions. Heading to an alternate site and trying to organize a boycott on someone because *you* didn't follow instructions is lame.

 

Now, bitching about what you think are 'rediculous' ( ridiculous ) requirements is fine in my book, but bitching about consequences and trying to organize trouble against the seller is not.

[NightSprinter]

Ok, I guess this thread is just getting old now. Mods/admins, go and close this thread now.

[bedouin]

If someone doesn't have a bank account and they want to cash a non-USPS money order it's a major PIA. Even if they do have a bank account it still takes a few days for the deposit to show up.

 

He has an inconvenient way of doing business, but that's his way.

 

As for the contact seller within 2 days, send money within 7 clause -- that's totally reasonable. Within minutes or hours of an auction closing I already have sent out payment; the faster I do that the faster I get the product (generally).

[The Hat]

I only take USPS money orders also, but I did get a small money order for ten dollars that I took just so I didn't have to send it back and explain the whole situation. BUT my main point here is that I had a friend sell some stereo equipment ten yrs ago or so for over $1000 and the guy gave him a fake money order. With no way to ID the guy his bank didn't cash the money order and he was stuck with no money or stereo. USPS money orders are a little more difficult to forge although I am sure some one may try. Just a thought.

[+Omegamatrix]

:!: Warning: Thick reading material ahead. Grab a cup of coffee and enjoy.

 

Definitely unfair for the seller to be that harsh. When I was first on eBay I had a similar experience as yours. I bought from a seller and then realized he had money order only listed in his auction. He was taking Paypal for his other auctions listed at the same time, but not this particular item. It ended badly, and now I only bid on auctions that list Paypal as a form of payment.

 

This seems to be n00b hell 101. The same thing happened to me 5-6 years ago, when I first joined. My first few auctions were no sweat, then I ran into a seller whose patently ridiculous terms didn't fully occur to me until after the auction closed. He had a "pay in 7 days or I neg you" attitude, and since I wasn't checking eBay daily back then I didn't even realize I had won his auction until a few days later. I was working two jobs at the time - a daily 9 to 5 grind and my own business (which wasn't yet profitable) so I barely even had time to think about going to the post office for a money order. At the halfway point I realized he'd never get it in time anyway since mail to or from Michigan was always ridiculously slow for me. Wait - seller accepts PayPal? I sign up for a PayPal account, get the verifying deposits, and wait for the amount I owe him to transfer in. Unfortunately I didn't realize this takes several business days - I thought it would happen like snap. I send the seller a very apologetic e-mail saying due to circumstances beyond my control and my inexperience with eBay this didn't go as planned, but I'd still be happy to drop a sealed envelope with cash into an overnight envelope at my own expense - despite the fact overnighting the payment to meet his terms would cost as much as the auction itself. I'm thinking that's pretty generous and the seller will be understanding but I got an incredibly rude reply back that basically amounted to "You didn't meet my terms, you're not going to get payment here in time, and I'm going to neg you no matter what. Screw you." I said to myself fine, you know what, I'll neg you first. I left scathing feedback saying the seller was an unreasonable prick who wouldn't accept payment even though I would go out of my way to pay and that he threatens to neg anybody who can meet his terms, no exceptions under any circumstances. He of course negs me right back. A day or two later the funds show up in my PayPal account. *sigh* It's a wonder that debacle didn't put me off eBay altogether, but after my ire over the whole thing died down I went back to it and have been (mostly) satisfied ever since.

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I feel your pain MegaManFan. Ebay is a real steep learning curve for newbies. My first few buys went well until I bought the afore mentioned lot. It had 10 carts in it that I needed (including a mint Pac-Man and a picture label combat ). I was so happy that I won it for $1.00, but was left wondering why no one else had bided at the same time. When I went to pay it was only then that I realized he didn't take Paypal. I thought he did because I had been looking at his other listings and they had Paypal as an option so I presumed he took Paypal for everything. Since he didn't I emailed him explaining my mistake, and offered to pay him immediately with Paypal covering all his fees as well. He replied very short & brief "NO, MONEY ORDER ONLY." I became very worried so I checked the feedback he had left for others and found lots and lots of negs. His own feedback had lots of negs too which I had missed (I was very naive). He had a ten day stipulation to pay in his auction, and with the emailing back & forth between us there was only seven days left. I was new to eBay and didn't want to see my feedback destroyed. I finally decided I'd do whatever it took to get out of this mess so I went to the post office and bought a money order, and paid $23 for shipping to have it sent to his address in 3-5 days (this was from Canada to the USA). I was honestly sick with worry through the whole ordeal. I kept thinking the money order would get delayed in the mail, and that he would neg me. Everyday I checked my eBay account, but I never got a neg. However I never got my carts either. I figured I didn't have any buyer protection as I hadn't used Paypal. After all my worry and money wasted I didn't want to add the neg to my account as well. Better to take it on the chin, learn from my mistakes, and move along. These days I might say screw it and start a war, but these days I just wouldn't fall into that type of situation again. I've been schooled a few too many times.

 

I think the moral of this thread is read the auction listings carefully. If you don't agree to it then don't buy, and don't complain. After you click that confirm button you are committed for the course whether it's fair in your mind or not. Like they say "A contract is a contract".

[birdie3]

Ebay is free enterprise in it's most primal form. Hopefully something better comes along some day. Night Sprinter is a good guy to do business with though. Not sure why anyone would say otherwise.

[NightSprinter]

Ebay is free enterprise in it's most primal form. Hopefully something better comes along some day. Night Sprinter is a good guy to do business with though. Not sure why anyone would say otherwise.

991386[/snapback]

 

Thanks. Again I just got frustrated, I should've just named this "To eBay buyers: read auctions before sending payment." I made a few incorrect posts, then cleared up the confusion I started. I corrected the mistake I made, and will leave it at that. Now can we all just let this topic die out (i.e. no more personal attacks from anyone to anyone) and move on with our lives?

[hhwolfman]

Ebay is free enterprise in it's most primal form. Hopefully something better comes along some day. Night Sprinter is a good guy to do business with though. Not sure why anyone would say otherwise.

991386[/snapback]

 

Thanks. Again I just got frustrated, I should've just named this "To eBay buyers: read auctions before sending payment." I made a few incorrect posts, then cleared up the confusion I started. I corrected the mistake I made, and will leave it at that. Now can we all just let this topic die out (i.e. no more personal attacks from anyone to anyone) and move on with our lives?

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I'll tell ya why a lot of dealers only take postal money orders, you can't trace them. Tax purposes. But what they don't understand is Sales on ebay can be traced.

[itsralph]

So, I've pretty much explained myself.  Want to put the whole argument to rest and move on?

991057[/snapback]

 

No

 

3.) I stated a valid point that this person does NOT list WHY he/she prefers postal money orders.  I've read auctions where sellers require a certain type of payment and ONLY that type of payment, but GAVE a reason why.  This person does not tell his customers why he does so (I've worked in retail for over four years now, and trying to sell something and not giving full information is an automatic "buyer-beware" sign).

991057[/snapback]

 

Not a valid point at all in my opinion. What difference does knowing why make? Just read the terms and bid or don't. There are many sellers with unreasonable terms that I avoid, but just as many that I have had smooth deals with because I followed their unreasonable terms. It's the sellers auction to list as they please, I prefer not to have to wade through fifteen paragraphs of the seller's personal selling philosophy explaining every requirement. It is what it is. You made the mistake and the seller did what he said he was going to do ( Yes he sounds like a prick and seems unreasonable). You did everything you could to make it right. Negs happen.

 

[ ....fades right and moves on]

[kheffington]

Postal money orders can be cashed at the U.S. Post Office which is a big plus over other money orders.  I have used the same bank for the last 15 years.  The bank that I bank at doesn't have a location close to me and I have to drive 10+ miles to get to the bank.  It is a major inconvenience for me when someone sends me a money order other than a Postal money order.  I don't know about this seller but that is the case for me.  Luckily the bank that I bank at is building a location in my town that should be open in a few months so it won't be an issue for me much longer.

990885[/snapback]

 

I can understand in a case such as yours, where you have to drive a distance just to go to the closest branch, but also in the case of this seller he does not state WHY he prefers only postal money orders. It's just "do this and this only or automatic negative feedback". I'm not bitter against anyone regarding this auction, but this needs to serve as a lesson for any other person who wishes to sell on eBay:

 

If you want to accept (not "except") only one form of payment, PLEASE state WHY you have to. Just stating that you do without reason can lead to bad blood between you and your customers.

990898[/snapback]

 

I have to disagree with this. The seller does not own anyone a reason for his chosen payment methods. If you don't agree with the payment method listed, pass on the auction. That is really your only option.

Edited December 31, 2005 by kheffington

[classicgamingguy]

You know, I've heard this from lots of you that both buy and sell on Ebay. Okay, here goes my two cents on the whole Ebay thing.

 

Yes, terms and agreements should be properly researched before placing a bid. However, hidden "terms" seem always the case, something that gets twisted in the explanation you get sideswiped on by a seller that's an asshole. Sorry, but if you are going to add a twist to a payment/shipping term, then SPELL IT OUT word for word in your rules beforehand, NOT after the fact and say, "that's not what I meant". You ARE an asshole if you do that.

 

Newbie buyers: BEWARE about ALL transactions from Ebay, period. Never trust anyone on there. Period. Read carefully the fine print the buyer puts in, and try also to read between the lines. Try to buy products from those here on the Atari Forums. Almost EVERYONE here is honest and won't steer you wrong. I've always had good transactions with everyone here.

 

Buyer's should also follow all the rules that apply, NOT screw the seller with some off the wall excuse WHY you couldn't pay a certain way, then neg 'em because YOU felt you were ripped off by not fulfilling your end of the bargain. Don't buy on Ebay if you do this. Go somewhere else.

 

As to posting here why you thought you got screwed: Some here love to bash those that complain about others, saying how "stupid" you were to do that in the first place and that you have no "business" posting it here. Hello!! This is a forum, and forums are for posting. Stop being so damn harsh because YOU don't like someone posting how a bad experience played out. How about being patient and explaining it in a civilized manner to the person?

 

Okay, I'm done. Thank you for your time.

 

Steve