Paranoid Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 I try not to "packrat" too much. Most of my "collection" is single unit only. But all of my classic software is archived on active RAID arrays and offline SuperDLT storage. I try to keep all such data (and related utilities) in a state where I can with minimal effort either load it directly back into the original hardware (i.e. APE/SIO2PC) or transfer it back to the original media (which I do keep spare blank stocks of). I also try to keep everything in current formats and media, and compatible with with the modern utilities/hardware and emulators as well. 1008129[/snapback] Heh. THIS kind of disturbs me too... as I also have a DLT backup solution in my house, along with a data closet with racked patch panels, switches, and servers... I wonder how many of us are like this... kind of over-the-top on technology in general. The normal house does not have a DLT backup solution or active RAID arrays. My wife started mocking me when I implemented and documented my disaster recovery solution for my home LAN... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Heh. THIS kind of disturbs me too... as I also have a DLT backup solution in my house, along with a data closet with racked patch panels, switches, and servers... I wonder how many of us are like this... kind of over-the-top on technology in general. 1008135[/snapback] LOL - yeah it is over the top in some sense. But I know that you and me are not the only people who go this far. But the reason I do stuff like this is to safeguard my investment of time that it has taken to collect, sort, archive etc. Just as business goes to these lengths to preserve data that's worth $$, I do it because it safeguards the immense amount of time and care that has gone into this stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telengard Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 telengard: nice setup. A little off topic, but who makes that desk? (The big one your cat is standing on) Steve 1007992[/snapback] Hi classics, I bought that @ Anthro. The one I use for my desktop is going on like 6 or 7 years old and it's holding up better than most things I own. They make good stuff. ~telengard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telengard Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Hoarding vintage computers isn't so crazy when bit rot is very real. Think of how many documents have been written with some obscure word processor on 5.25" disks on an Apple ][. How can those be easily moved to a new medium, and what will you do when the next media shift occurs? There's so much information out there that will be lost in the coming years (and has been lost already) just due to obsolete media and obscure file types. Not to mention all kinds of demos, rare 8-bit games, and other cultural artifacts. I guess I don't see the point of hoarding more than one console system, because nearly every ROM has been ripped out there, and emulation is pretty much 'good enough' in most cases. But computers are an entirely different story. If you don't know the ins and outs of a 1541, it's probably not crazy to keep 2 or 3 around, since self-repair is unlikely, and those that know how are a dying breed as well. In the end, the most logical option is to start moving that stuff to a modern format, and wait for the whole cycle of obsoleteness to begin again. A few months ago I needed to transfer some old reel to reel tapes, which was an adventure in learning the difference between 1/2 and 1/4 track tapes, tape speed, tape head alignment, and other fun stuff. The decks are getting rare, the repair parts are sometimes impossible to find, and the people who understand their mechanics in and out aren't easily to find either. In the end, having a deck restored for $300 by a specialist doesn't seem so crazy. 1007995[/snapback] You pretty much described exactly how I deal with this stuff. I don't collect consoles themselves (although I have lots of related accessories, like USB converters for most classic controllers). I guess emulation is good enough for me for those (although I **really** want to pick up a 6 switch 2600). I do the opposite for computers and for the reasons you mentioned I have multiple computers/drives/etc. I have a ton of nice blank 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 (the right kind) disks also. And as a failsafe I've been buying repair books and stuff like that for the old gear. I also do similar backup type stuff for all of my vintage software/pics/docs. I have 3 to 4 copies of everything just in case. rsync is a wonderful thing. Storage becomes a problem when you have 40 gigs of games, 40 gigs of music, etc etc. Very interesting about the reel to reel. I have one that I would love to transfer. I have no idea if it's still good. It's a recording from probably 1986 or so but I'd love to hear it again. Do you happen to know if there are services to just xfer to something like a CD? I would have no use for an actual deck. ~telengard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telengard Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I try not to "packrat" too much. Most of my "collection" is single unit only. Though for some machines that hold more significance or nostalgia factor, I will maintain a spare parts collection for (extra chips, boards, keyboards, power supplies etc.). Even so I usually don't have whole dupe machines as space is always an issue. Though you could say that having an SX64, a C64 and a C128 is in a sense a duplication. Games (cart, CD, DVD) I've got single copies of and I don't collect dupes or variations, etc. Older stuff (SD/DD floppies, etc.) I'll also have one physical copy of. But all of my classic software is archived on active RAID arrays and offline SuperDLT storage. I try to keep all such data (and related utilities) in a state where I can with minimal effort either load it directly back into the original hardware (i.e. APE/SIO2PC) or transfer it back to the original media (which I do keep spare blank stocks of). I also try to keep everything in current formats and media, and compatible with with the modern utilities/hardware and emulators as well. One of my main goals is to allow instant (or as quickly as possible) usage of all my collection even if it can't all be setup at the same time due to space - and keep everything nice and neat and not interfering with life And yeah, the whole thing is sort of cyclical. Soon I expect to be doing some overhauls and transferring my data masses to a holographic storage cube Oh and telengard - that is a very nice neat presentation, and where did you get that huge desk? 1008129[/snapback] Hiya remowilliams, I mentioned in a different post that the desks are from Anthro. I believe their site is www.anthro.com. That is a 72" wide one I believe (I forget) with a few extra shelves and a side shelf (very good for a 1050/1541/etc). You said it best too about "preserving your investment". I have spent a lot of time collecting, organizing, dumping, etc and to not do backups and lose all that would be a huge waste of time. I hope that *never* happens as I would probably not go through it again. ~telengard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catharton Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 So... I agree and disagree... In 2000 years of recorded history, we've always had "data life cycles". Arguably, this may have set us back from time to time when important advances were LOST because of a "single point of failure". On the other hand, imagine the volume of data we would have if EVERY time quill went to parchment, chalk to stone, whatever, was archived somewhere? It wouldn't actually have been that large a volume, especially considering how few people were literate and how cumbersome it was to reproduce data before the printing press. It's actually quite shocking how little remains of the ancient world, th Which today, we have, with the Internet and those services that attempt to archive various aspects (WWW, usenet, etc) of the Internet. Every burp or brainfart you utter on the Internet is probably archived at least one place with the *intent* of preserving it for all time, and is likely perserved in several other places for at least 5-15 years... Which is creating a very real result of information overload. Only if we don't keep inventing new ways of storing data more compactly, but at the moment we're doing that amazingly well. As far as text goes, I don't think there'll ever be a problem about storage, and probably not storing pictures or audio or video either. It reminds me of the apparently wide assumption during the 1960s and 1970s that overpopulation would inevitably cause mass starvation by the 1990s because there wouldn't be enough food to go round, but pure lack of food didn't happen because the technology for creating food didn't stand still, it continued to develop allowing larger and larger harvests which (on average) kept pace with population growth. Politics and economics did cause terrible, apocalyptic tragedies but lack of food didn't. On the other hand, you're probably right if we wanted to preserve all data on its original media, but as most data nowadays is in the form of downloads I don't think people know or care what it was originally written to. As long as we keep transferring it to higher capacity storage media, we should be okay. In some cases, it seems to me that information should have a life cycle, and if it is allowed to DIE, it probably was due, anyhow. Seems like it is human nature to assume responsibility for keeping things alive and to take the blame if those things go extinct. Could be that a thing has just lived it's life cycle, and it's time to move on. I don't agree, especially with historical information which we usually need more of, not less. If we're talking about recorded history, there are more people alive right now than have ever been alive, so it's natural if we have a lot more events, places and people that need documenting than we ever did before. If you agree with the concept of studying history, essentially to learn from our mistakes and see where we came from, it's worth getting at least a representative permanent storage of things that tell us what life was like in the past. Maybe not everything, maybe not every supermarket receipt, but probably at least some supermarket receipts. The trouble with saying particular data isn't important enough to warrant storage is that it's very tricky to know how important something is at the time it's made. It's also easy to overestimate how difficult it is to store it, when usually it becomes a trivial matter. The example that haunts me is what happened to the BBC's archives before the 1980s. From the 1950s to the 1970s, there was a policy of destroying anything they felt had no relevance to modern audiences, because at the time TV masters were stored on enormous magnetic tapes which took up lots of shelf space. At the time, they couldn't understand why anyone in the future would want to see things like the first TV performances of the Beatles and the Stones. Had they waited a relatively short period, the storage problem would have become trivial and the huge influence and historical interest of these two pop bands (and many more deleted programmes) would have become clear. The fate of silent movies was almost identical, a huge hit in the early 1920s could well have vanished from the face of the earth by the early 1930s, their makers just could not conceive why anyone would want these preserved. Many of the pioneers who established film making have little or no representation of their work, and many concepts in cinema which we take for granted were actually invented by films which no longer exist. At the moment, gaming seems immature and peripheral, and it's difficult to see what mainstream interest there is in preserving old games, but this is the same view the movie makers took, and the same view the BBC took, and they were both wrong. Gaming, like film and television and radio, has had a novelty status for most of its early years and decades, no one at their birth saw them as proper media but poor relations. I honestly don't think that will last forever, I think one day games (in some form) will be something people of all backgrounds and tastes will enjoy, just like books, films, TV and music, there would be something for everyone. And it's at that point that there will be true historical value in the earliest games, and that's why we should preserve as many of them as possible as faithfully as possible, including the hardware that ran them. Sorry this took so long, it's just a subject very close to my heart. I read a book over the summer about what happened to silent movies and the kind of stuff they used to justify their destruction was so close to what people say about early games now ("There's no market for them" etc) that it made me more determined than ever not to let history repeat itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 So... I agree and disagree... Sorry this took so long, it's just a subject very close to my heart. I read a book over the summer about what happened to silent movies and the kind of stuff they used to justify their destruction was so close to what people say about early games now ("There's no market for them" etc) that it made me more determined than ever not to let history repeat itself. 1009161[/snapback] Wow. Great post. Very well put. I especially like the concept "We probably shouldn't store ALL grocery-market reciepts, but we should probably store a couple of them". I also like the way you tied that into the idea that the problem with determing what SHOULD be stored and what shouldn't is a very tricky problem. I'm still on the fence. I think it becomes simply impractical to store every bit of data that is produced... I've seen a marked decrease in relevent hits on Google over the last year or so... I know how to craft and refine a websearch... but more and more often, I've been coming up empty. Part of it is marketing and ad placement kind of underminding the integrity of the search engines... but part of it is... a keyword will return SO many hits... so many of which are simply not revelent... that I often feel like, "yup, somewhere in those 2,020,579 web pages is the hit I was looking for... but who knows how far down it is buried. I was recently looking for an OLD viral film... of a guy who covered himself in deer piss and had his wife film as he fought a rutting stag bare handed. I got a lot of hits about RECENT man-vs.-deer fistfights... including one where a deer charged a plate glass window and a guy inside killed the deer with his bare hands (Montana). But I couldn't find the original video. Not because it isn't out there... but simply because, it is buried in so much *relevent* data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
video game addict Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Telengard, wow that really is one impressive 8-bit room! I'm not crazy about all the filing cabinets, but for loose floppies & smaller parts, I guess it does a great job on storage. I prefer open bookcases with rows & rows of boxed software myself. Were as most of your room is stored out of sight, but very neat & tidy. Your magazine collection is to die for! I would love to own complete collections on most of those, maybe someday I will. Buying through ebay, It's tough building a collection of nice mags. Well maybe not tough, but it can get very expensive. Most vintage mags I've looked for are hitting $5-10 a piece or more.. Some of the more obscure stuff can be well above that. I'm guessing you bought alot of these back in the day? Or just got really lucky finding them in thrift stores & yard sales over the years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telengard Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Telengard, wow that really is one impressive 8-bit room! I'm not crazy about all the filing cabinets, but for loose floppies & smaller parts, I guess it does a great job on storage. I prefer open bookcases with rows & rows of boxed software myself. Were as most of your room is stored out of sight, but very neat & tidy. Your magazine collection is to die for! I would love to own complete collections on most of those, maybe someday I will. Buying through ebay, It's tough building a collection of nice mags. Well maybe not tough, but it can get very expensive. Most vintage mags I've looked for are hitting $5-10 a piece or more.. Some of the more obscure stuff can be well above that. I'm guessing you bought alot of these back in the day? Or just got really lucky finding them in thrift stores & yard sales over the years? 1009527[/snapback] Hi there, Thanks. I actually only store computer HW in the cabinets. All of the software I own that is boxed is on top of the magazine racks for the most part. I had to take advantage of the vertical space and those cabinets work well and are *very* sturdy. I do keep loose disks and cables in the more flimsy storage bins. As for the magazines, yeah it's rough on eBay. It's almost like everyone is collecting them. Luckily I started collecting around 10 years or so ago. I did have a lot of mags previous to this but they were lost during a move. One of these days I need to take some pics of my catalog collection. Puts the mag collection to shame. ~telengard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariAger Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I would respond to this post but I am too busy with me O.C.C. disorder!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I tend to suffer from the same kind of "condition" if you will. Without making a list of everything I own related to video games... I've made it a point to try to buy every single system I can find... I mean, everything. I go on eBay and type in Vintage video game, Vintage Game, etc... and just buy them all. We have a huge flea market here in South Florida called the $wap $hop. It's different now, but back in the late 90s, you could go any day of the week and literally buy a huge box of Atari anything.. (like a box of 5200 games, system, etc..) for like $20 bucks. So I did... I bought every single thing I could find. Although I only really need 1 Atari, I have found myself wanting one of every kind of variation of system. If the systems look the same, but one has a different color label on it, I'll keep it. I have three different versions of the Atari 2600 Jr. One with a small rainbow, one with a large rainbow, and one with a medium sized rainbow. I've got like 12 or so atari 2600s... one of every kind I can imagine, and then I've got a whole bunch of the generic systems like the Telegames systems and the Coleco Gemini, etc... I've made a big effort to go through all my stuff and try to eliminate duplicates. With respect to Atari 2600 games... if the games are absolutely identical (as in, the labels aren't even slightly different), then I'll sell them in order to buy new ones. I do this, I think... because I'm afraid that if I don't save them, no one else will and they'll all end up in the junkyard. I do the SAME thing with car parts (and cars, actually). My two "crazy" collections are video games, and cars / parts. I have a hoarde of rare GM parts... like Cowl Induction systems for TransAms and Camaros. A couple of rare cyl heads... carburetors for 50s Chevys and Pontiacs... etc. Anyway, I hope that when I'm an old fart, that someone will open up a Video Game Museum... maybe they'll open one up at the Smithsonian!? heheh.. I'd be more than happy to donate my entire collection to them... assuming that it would stay there and younger generations would be able to see what games used to be like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tillenterprises Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 What's that cool looking arcade controller in the bottom right corner of that picture? 1006749[/snapback] Heh. I'm going to give you the "long-story" version of this. I'm a Xevious fanatic. When I was a kid, there was a 7-11 where we used to go and well... loiter... I'd say I was 14 or 15. Anyhow, I spent a lot of time there, in various altered states, playing Xevious and chewing 5 cent apple bubblgegum to get rid of a terminally dry mouth, that year. So... this whole retro thing kind of stems from that. I guess about 1997 or so I discovered MAME and found the Xevious ROM... then I found Stella, and whatever 5200 and Coleco emulators were around back then... Callus... I downloaded them all, and all the ROMS I could find... and shortly discovered that the PC experience *sucked*... right away I knew the problem was with the controls more than anything else. At that point... it seems like controllers were a DIY project that was just beyond me to come up with a decent alternative. But through the years between then and now... I've tried a variety of solutions. I'm sure I had old-school versions of Xevious along the way, too... predating MAME (C=64, Amiga, Atari ST)... But I bought Microsoft Revenge of Arcade (Mrs. Pac Man, Mappy, Xevious... all the usual suspects that get bundled together). I figured, Microsoft will find a decent control solution using PC joysticks. I was wrong... Then I tried the Xevious 3D program for the PS-1... thinking, "Well, with the built in joystubs and a dedicated console controller, maybe Xevious will be better"... and I was wrong... Then I tried the Jakks version... going, "This one *IS* a joystick. They couldn't possibly screw THIS up"... but they did... I was so upset about THAT... I wrote Jakks Pacific a big nasty letter going, "Listen... the people who are interested in these games are nostaligic, but they're saavy. You keep peddling this kind of crap, and you're going to kill what could be a great market. Do it *right*, and you'll find that guys like myself are willing to pay a premium for your products, not the $19.99 price point that you're marketing at right now"... So then the wireless Jakks Pacific version came out for $39.99, and promised improved control. So I bought it... and it was *better*... but still pretty disappointing... And at some point, I decided I wanted an arcade style joystick... so I looked for something for the PC... and amazingly, other than the high end and expensive units... there is NOTHING that is "consumer grade" but traditional button mashing joystick with a ball layout. That I could find, anyhow. So I remembered the Xevious on Xevious 3D on my PS-1. So I did an eBay search, and this came up... It is called a PS-Arcade by Interact (that would have been the short answer to your question)... and it rocks. Especially being that I paid $10 with shipping for it after picking it up for a high bid of $4. http://www.vidgames.com//ps/hardware/psarcade.html (I'm even happier now that I see what the stick still retails for). But Xevious on the PS-1, although it is a pretty faithful translation... still left me unsatisfied. The colors and sounds and gameplay were all REAL close... but not perfect. The Revenge of Arcade version was far more accurate (and is probably the actual ROM running on an emulator engine), and I knew MAME was far more faithful too... But... I was satisfied enough... Until this Christmas, at Target, I came across the Retro deal they were selling for $499 with Robotron, Defender, Wizard of War, etc. I played it for a few minutes and although it has gotten generally horrible reviews... I thought it was a pretty cool idea for the size of a small suburban gameroom. Jakks style controllers, tiny and HORRIBLE little monitor... but I played Robotron and Wizard of War and caught the bug again... So I went out and bought an X-Arcade dual stick control panel, and I'm busy putting together a cabinet right now, and I'm going to make my own MAME cabinet. And while I was researching stuff on the MAME cabinet, I stumbled across the Atari Flashback II... which looked like the right price for an EXCELLENT product. So I bought it... and it was... which made me decide I needed to finally quench my search for an Atari 5200. Around the same time I decided to clear out a lot of the stuff in my garage, too... which I'm still trying to do. Another weird thing... I was driving home from a Doctor's appointment one day recently, and was passing a thrift store and a voice in my head said, "Go in and dig until you find it"... so I did, and found a Televideo 4 switch VCS with power adapter, paddles, a single driving paddle, and a single joystick... no RF modulator, no carts. Picked that up for $3.75. The paddles worked after cleaning... and I've got a couple carts on the way to test the 2600... If it doesn't work, it may be a donor for the Flashback II mod. So... really, I blame Xevious for this whole mess. 1006819[/snapback] After all the the time and money you spent on trying in vain to recreate that Xevious experience, you could've just bought a Xevious coin-op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 What's that cool looking arcade controller in the bottom right corner of that picture? 1006749[/snapback] Heh. I'm going to give you the "long-story" version of this. I'm a Xevious fanatic. When I was a kid, there was a 7-11 where we used to go and well... loiter... I'd say I was 14 or 15. Anyhow, I spent a lot of time there, in various altered states, playing Xevious and chewing 5 cent apple bubblgegum to get rid of a terminally dry mouth, that year. So... this whole retro thing kind of stems from that. I guess about 1997 or so I discovered MAME and found the Xevious ROM... then I found Stella, and whatever 5200 and Coleco emulators were around back then... Callus... I downloaded them all, and all the ROMS I could find... and shortly discovered that the PC experience *sucked*... right away I knew the problem was with the controls more than anything else. At that point... it seems like controllers were a DIY project that was just beyond me to come up with a decent alternative. But through the years between then and now... I've tried a variety of solutions. I'm sure I had old-school versions of Xevious along the way, too... predating MAME (C=64, Amiga, Atari ST)... But I bought Microsoft Revenge of Arcade (Mrs. Pac Man, Mappy, Xevious... all the usual suspects that get bundled together). I figured, Microsoft will find a decent control solution using PC joysticks. I was wrong... Then I tried the Xevious 3D program for the PS-1... thinking, "Well, with the built in joystubs and a dedicated console controller, maybe Xevious will be better"... and I was wrong... Then I tried the Jakks version... going, "This one *IS* a joystick. They couldn't possibly screw THIS up"... but they did... I was so upset about THAT... I wrote Jakks Pacific a big nasty letter going, "Listen... the people who are interested in these games are nostaligic, but they're saavy. You keep peddling this kind of crap, and you're going to kill what could be a great market. Do it *right*, and you'll find that guys like myself are willing to pay a premium for your products, not the $19.99 price point that you're marketing at right now"... So then the wireless Jakks Pacific version came out for $39.99, and promised improved control. So I bought it... and it was *better*... but still pretty disappointing... And at some point, I decided I wanted an arcade style joystick... so I looked for something for the PC... and amazingly, other than the high end and expensive units... there is NOTHING that is "consumer grade" but traditional button mashing joystick with a ball layout. That I could find, anyhow. So I remembered the Xevious on Xevious 3D on my PS-1. So I did an eBay search, and this came up... It is called a PS-Arcade by Interact (that would have been the short answer to your question)... and it rocks. Especially being that I paid $10 with shipping for it after picking it up for a high bid of $4. http://www.vidgames.com//ps/hardware/psarcade.html (I'm even happier now that I see what the stick still retails for). But Xevious on the PS-1, although it is a pretty faithful translation... still left me unsatisfied. The colors and sounds and gameplay were all REAL close... but not perfect. The Revenge of Arcade version was far more accurate (and is probably the actual ROM running on an emulator engine), and I knew MAME was far more faithful too... But... I was satisfied enough... Until this Christmas, at Target, I came across the Retro deal they were selling for $499 with Robotron, Defender, Wizard of War, etc. I played it for a few minutes and although it has gotten generally horrible reviews... I thought it was a pretty cool idea for the size of a small suburban gameroom. Jakks style controllers, tiny and HORRIBLE little monitor... but I played Robotron and Wizard of War and caught the bug again... So I went out and bought an X-Arcade dual stick control panel, and I'm busy putting together a cabinet right now, and I'm going to make my own MAME cabinet. And while I was researching stuff on the MAME cabinet, I stumbled across the Atari Flashback II... which looked like the right price for an EXCELLENT product. So I bought it... and it was... which made me decide I needed to finally quench my search for an Atari 5200. Around the same time I decided to clear out a lot of the stuff in my garage, too... which I'm still trying to do. Another weird thing... I was driving home from a Doctor's appointment one day recently, and was passing a thrift store and a voice in my head said, "Go in and dig until you find it"... so I did, and found a Televideo 4 switch VCS with power adapter, paddles, a single driving paddle, and a single joystick... no RF modulator, no carts. Picked that up for $3.75. The paddles worked after cleaning... and I've got a couple carts on the way to test the 2600... If it doesn't work, it may be a donor for the Flashback II mod. So... really, I blame Xevious for this whole mess. 1006819[/snapback] After all the the time and money you spent on trying in vain to recreate that Xevious experience, you could've just bought a Xevious coin-op. 1010092[/snapback] Somewhat ironic, no? The thought has gone through my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saldo Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Paranoid, Back to your original idea about trading old stuff I think this site might be doing what you have in mind: http://freecycle.org/ I've never used it but I read about it in a magazine. While not devoted to just technology only, it might be a place to start. If enough "technocrats" find out about it it could work out well. - Sal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted March 11, 2006 Author Share Posted March 11, 2006 That is pretty much what I had in mind. I think the problem with this as it relates to this hobby is that the items are dispersed so widely and this is aimed at local offers. But it is the right concept. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 The only time I have doubles of games that I keep is when one is boxed, and the other is loose. Loose games I play, boxed ones get left alone. 1007227[/snapback] Ditto. I've got two or more of everything(for the 2600,sorry I know I'm on the wrong forum, but I do have 5200 stuff too) Those pack-rat photos are hilarious.At least there are not any rats in the garage too.Or maybe they are, and they are very computer literate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklord1977 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 cool collection...im the same way with certin things .. hey, the way i look at it you like to collect..theres nothing wrong with that.. you have a passion..i respect that .. there are worse things out there than video games, like drugs for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 Heh... Speaking of obsessive, addictive personalities and this tech-collection bug... I discussed this with Nova, and it was quickly dismissed, but... the short period where I got OUT of technology, it was oriented toward drugs, and I have to agree... if I had to choose my addictions, I'd rather have a secret stash of 10mb MFM drives than be strung out on coke ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 (edited) Paranoid, Back to your original idea about trading old stuff I think this site might be doing what you have in mind: http://freecycle.org/ I've never used it but I read about it in a magazine. While not devoted to just technology only, it might be a place to start. If enough "technocrats" find out about it it could work out well. - Sal I've tried Freecycle here in my area. Nobody ever has any old 8-bit stuff, and I've posted wanted messages a few times. To make matters worse, the moderator posted a message telling anyone who has that type of stuff to put it on ebay cuz it's worth a lot. Kinda takes away from the whole spirit of Freecycle... Post that you have some slate to give away, and they all come knocking... go figure. As for consoles, I have only one of each, with the exception of genesis consoles, as one came in a lot of other stuff. Haven't had the time to get rid of it yet. With my recent 5200 aquisition, I have now all Atari consoles except stunt cycle and video pinball. I want a pinball, but not really a stunt cycle, I have a Pong, but feel I only *need* one variation of that thing. It also seems *wanting* some of these things is more fun than *having* them. I got a CV, O2, and NES, but they were more fun to hunt for then actually have. I want an Astrocade, but most likely, when I actually find one, I'll toy with it for a few days, then it will go on the shelf next to my much wanted, but seldom played Vectrex. Regarding old PC stuff, I actually sold some old MFM drives on ebay a while back. A lot of old machinery with PC based control sytems need them. They went to a good cause. A lot of the other PC crap in my garage has gone to goodwill. Edited April 3, 2006 by Zonie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari_2600_master Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 it's not that bad of an obsession. i've seen ppl with like 10 times more stuff who say they aren't even obsessed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpfalcon2003 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I have a 5200 and a 7800, along with a flashback 2. I see no reason to get the 2600 and would rather spend my money on games I really want to have for the systems. I have a complete 7800 collection and some great games for the 2600. Some VERY RARE. That's enough to satisfy me. I only want like 4 more games for the 2600, and they are rather inexpensive and only rarity sixes. I get rid of all doubles I end up with, which aren't too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpfalcon2003 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 More interested now in getting Homebrew games since my desired collection is almost completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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