800XL networking?

[liquidcross]

Is it at all possible to get my 800XL on the internet, using the Contiki browser or whatever? What kind of hardware and/or software would I need to accomplish this?

[danwinslow]

There's really no point in browsing on your atari. Telnet and FTP are more likely. Hardware-wise if you have a modem there's a SLIP-type packetdriver...but I have never used it. Right now I am integrating a custom NIC card on my 130xe...more or less a SIO2PC style serial connection between the NIC and the atari. I have a FTP client and a network time fetch (NTP) both working in very early versions.

[Gunstar]

Whether ther is any point in browsing the net with an 8-bit Atari is a matter of OPINION. Personally, I'd love to surf with my 8-bit, even if it's only text based. Contiki IS the way to go too. But right now, Contiki (at least for the 8-bit) does not allow PPP internet access, so using a modem and your local dial-up internet provider is out of the question. The only way (currently) to use Contiki with the 8-bit to surf is through your PC with a broadband connection, using A.P.E/SIO2PC to connect the Atari to your PC and use your PC's broadband modem with A.P.E's Atari modem emulator. I only have dial-up PPP connection, so I haven't done this yet. I'm hoping that a PPP version of Contiki comes along soon, then all it would take is connecting your Atari to a standard dial-up modem and connecting to your dial-up internet provider, just like a PC. I have my 800 all set up in this way just waiting for a PPP compatible Contiki.

[liquidcross]

Whether ther is any point in browsing the net with an 8-bit Atari is a matter of OPINION. Personally, I'd love to surf with my 8-bit, even if it's only text based. Contiki IS the way to go too. But right now, Contiki (at least for the 8-bit) does not allow PPP internet access, so using a modem and your local dial-up internet provider is out of the question. The only way (currently) to use Contiki with the 8-bit to surf is through your PC with a broadband connection, using A.P.E/SIO2PC to connect the Atari to your PC and use your PC's broadband modem with A.P.E's Atari modem emulator. I only have dial-up PPP connection, so I haven't done this yet. I'm hoping that a PPP version of Contiki comes along soon, then all it would take is connecting your Atari to a standard dial-up modem and connecting to your dial-up internet provider, just like a PC. I have my 800 all set up in this way just waiting for a PPP compatible Contiki.

1008255[/snapback]

Dammit. I still haven't gotten APE or similar software to work properly on my Mac.

[Gunstar]

Whether ther is any point in browsing the net with an 8-bit Atari is a matter of OPINION. Personally, I'd love to surf with my 8-bit, even if it's only text based. Contiki IS the way to go too. But right now, Contiki (at least for the 8-bit) does not allow PPP internet access, so using a modem and your local dial-up internet provider is out of the question. The only way (currently) to use Contiki with the 8-bit to surf is through your PC with a broadband connection, using A.P.E/SIO2PC to connect the Atari to your PC and use your PC's broadband modem with A.P.E's Atari modem emulator. I only have dial-up PPP connection, so I haven't done this yet. I'm hoping that a PPP version of Contiki comes along soon, then all it would take is connecting your Atari to a standard dial-up modem and connecting to your dial-up internet provider, just like a PC. I have my 800 all set up in this way just waiting for a PPP compatible Contiki.

1008255[/snapback]

Dammit. I still haven't gotten APE or similar software to work properly on my Mac.

1008257[/snapback]

 

then go to your local Goodwill/thrift/swapmeet/used computer stor, etc and pick up a dirt cheap old PC that runs Windows 3.1 or 95/98, you don't need much, just to get A.P.E working. It'll be a dedicated PC just to be a file server/net access for your Atari. An old laptop would work too, and save on space. I have my XL/XE's connected to my usual PC with SIO2PC& A.P.E, but I also have a PS/1 486 with windows 3.1/MS-dos connected to my 800 via A.P.E DOS version as strictly a file server for the 800. I picked it up for $10 at the local community thrift store. But if I wanted, I could still connect that old PC to my phone line too (not of much use until a PPP protocal becomes available for Contiki).

[Heaven/TQA]

thats why my old pentium 1, 233 mhz 64 mb ram windows 98 laptop is used for...as a simple file archive system for sio2pc and xf1541...

but never tried to surf the net over the virtual modem...

[liquidcross]

thats why my old pentium 1, 233 mhz 64 mb ram windows 98 laptop is used for...as a simple file archive system for sio2pc and xf1541...

but never tried to surf the net over the virtual modem...

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A cheap laptop would indeed be nice...not quite sure where to find on around here, though...ebay's kind of a ripoff.

[jdrew]

A cheap laptop would indeed be nice...not quite sure where to find on around here, though...ebay's kind of a ripoff.

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Ahem...

 

I'll post this publicly in case anyone else is interested, but liquidcross gets first dibs.

 

I have some old laptops I'd like to sell on the cheap. They're:

 

Compaq LTE 5280

Compaq LTE 5250

Compaq LTE 5300 (includes original Compaq case and car adapter)

 

The AC adapter for one of them has stopped working - I don't remember which. That's the only problem I recall. I'll give everything a once-over and provide any interested parties with a status report.

 

I'd like to get around $50 for each of these, and maybe a little more for the 5300 ($60?). Shipping would be from Indianapolis.

 

If you're interested, send me a PM.

 

Josh

[liquidcross]

PM sent, jdrew.

[liquidcross]

Just out of curiosity...what kind of modem(s) would I use with my 800XL?

[atarixle]

I use debian and lynx running on an old PC and Ice-T running on my ATARI for browsing the net via sio2pc ...

 

bad:

-the browser isn't really running on an ATARI

-you need a PC running

 

good:

-you can browser via ATARI

-you can do anything that's possible on a LINUX-PC

 

Mirko

[danwinslow]

What do you browse? You mean Telnet sites? Or do you have a lynx running on the Atari?

Edited February 1, 2006 by danwinslow

[Cybernoid]

What do you browse? You mean Telnet sites? Or do you have a lynx running on the Atari?

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It sounds like he uses the Atari as a dumb terminal to a Linux PC. I use to do this via APE... you can run Lynx, Pine, Elm, Telnet IRC, etc on the Linux PC and view it on the Atari.

[atarixle]

It sounds like he uses the Atari as a dumb terminal to a Linux PC.

This is exactly what I do...

[danwinslow]

It sounds like he uses the Atari as a dumb terminal to a Linux PC.

This is exactly what I do...

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Ok. I love 8bit Atari's, but why in particular would you do this?

[atarixle]

First, I want to impress some friends, who think, LINUX is running on that old ATARI machine...

Second, I don't have to move between two places (PC <-> ATARI), if I want to surf a little...

Third, I can hear, if someone enters the IRC-Channel (I/O-Sound)

Fourth, I have no other monitor connected to my debian LINUX machine.

 

And last, why shouldn't I?

[danwinslow]

I didn't say you shouldn't. I just asked why. You answered.

[Cybernoid]

First, I want to impress some friends, who think, LINUX is running on that old ATARI machine...

Second, I don't have to move between two places (PC <-> ATARI), if I want to surf a little...

Third, I can hear, if someone enters the IRC-Channel (I/O-Sound)

Fourth, I have no other monitor connected to my debian LINUX machine.

 

And last, why shouldn't I?

1011992[/snapback]

 

 

Very cool. I actually have debian running on my TT030 and use the 8bit as a terminal to the TT.

[liquidcross]

Very cool.  I actually have debian running on my TT030 and use the 8bit as a terminal to the TT.

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Most impressive! I'm in the process of looking at Linux distros, to see which one will run best on old crappy PCs. Red Hat's obviously out of the running.

[Wrathchild]

Dan,

Are you still working on your (SIO-2-)Ethernet board?

Regards,

Mark

[+Allan]

Whether ther is any point in browsing the net with an 8-bit Atari is a matter of OPINION. Personally, I'd love to surf with my 8-bit, even if it's only text based. Contiki IS the way to go too. But right now, Contiki (at least for the 8-bit) does not allow PPP internet access, so using a modem and your local dial-up internet provider is out of the question. The only way (currently) to use Contiki with the 8-bit to surf is through your PC with a broadband connection, using A.P.E/SIO2PC to connect the Atari to your PC and use your PC's broadband modem with A.P.E's Atari modem emulator. I only have dial-up PPP connection, so I haven't done this yet. I'm hoping that a PPP version of Contiki comes along soon, then all it would take is connecting your Atari to a standard dial-up modem and connecting to your dial-up internet provider, just like a PC. I have my 800 all set up in this way just waiting for a PPP compatible Contiki.

1008255[/snapback]

Dammit. I still haven't gotten APE or similar software to work properly on my Mac.

1008257[/snapback]

 

Are you aware of this for OS X?

 

http://members.cox.net/atarimac/Sio2OSX.html

 

Allan

[liquidcross]

Are you aware of this for OS X?

 

http://members.cox.net/atarimac/Sio2OSX.html

 

Allan

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I was not! I'll have to try that out. Many thanks!

[danwinslow]

Dan,

Are you still working on your (SIO-2-)Ethernet board?

Regards,

Mark

 

Yep. Making progress, too. I got held up learning 6502 assembler and writing a high speed IO routine; the actual library dev should go a lot faster now.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83097

Edited February 6, 2006 by danwinslow