most expensive system to collect for

[+Cobra Kai]

What about that old Cinematronic-whatever laserdisc system?

 

Goodness, that  was expensive back in the day--and very rare too!

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I think you mean the RDI Halcyon system. I suppose it would be expensive to collect for. The last system sold on Ebay (years ago) for around $2000 and there are only two games for it. I do see the game discs up on ebay from time to time for only $50 or so, so it's really the system that's the expensive part.

 

 

Take a look at Nam 1975, the first Neo Geo game made. The home cart for that will probably run you around $20-30, and it's a very common cartridge,

 

That's only because they found a huge stash of them NOS. Magician Lord and several other early titles fall into this category.

 

Tempest

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Nah that didn't affect anything. I bought mine at that low price on ebay waaaaaay before that NOS was found. It didn't affect anything because all those games are common anyway. What, did they become more common now? Not really. I don't know why you replied to that though, you didn't bother addressing the depreciation issue that 'was' being discussed there.

[JB]

If there were only 75 copies of Metal Slug 5, why's it an R7 at DigitPress? I was under the impression that you didn't get into the double digits around 9.

 

Prices across the board are a joke. R2 games go for like 5$ on most systems. On the NeoGeo? A good 6x that.

 

Look, the DP guide isn't the be-all end-all especially when it deals with systems that aren't in the actual physical book, meaning anything after NES is probably going to change alot.

Fair enough. I was just surprised they'd make that large a misguess if the actual print run was known.

 

To answer the question, I would guess he didn't rate it r-9 because it's a fairly new game that even though there are only 75 US copies(probably alot more Japanese copies mind you) of the AES version, the Neo market is still fairly active currently and this game is not impossible to find for sale. Demand for the game is good, and the resale is high, so the game is still moving. If someone finds an Atari 2600 r-9, you plan on keeping it for life. There's a big difference.

Okay, that makes sense.

 

 

If I found a 2600 R9 I'd probably sell it, for what it's worth. The cash out is worth more to me than the actual game is.

Not that I wouldn't play it first, mind you. It just makes more sense to me to convert it to a larger pile of equally good(or more likely, far better) games.

 

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That does bring up something I REALLY don't get. The US and J versions of NeoGeo games are IDENTICAL except for the packaging. They are, literally, the same game. So in my mind, they should run about the same, but they don't. And I realize this is one of several places where my mind is running 180 from collectors.

 

Same thing hits other stuff, too, like US/Europe Master System titles. Actually, those are even worse. 1 extra sticker on the box is the entire diffrence for some of those.

I'd be half-tempted to steam the "US release" labels off, and convert all those carts into the less valuable "european version" if I could, just out of spite. Then sell my 1 copy with a label as the "last US version in existence."

 

 

To address your second question, I think that's like asking why can't I buy an old Corvette for the same price as an old Ford Escort? Personally, I think for the Neo games that have depreciated, and there are alot of them, I think the scale you'd find is actually about the same. Take a look at Nam 1975, the first Neo Geo game made. The home cart for that will probably run you around $20-30, and it's a very common cartridge, I would say an R2. The game was $200 brand new in 1989(90?), so it sells for %10 original value....right on par with your example for an R2 for game system X, I'll say Nintendo NES, I'd buy a complete copy of Time Lord for $5...I know that game was $50 brand new...again %10 of original value.

M'kay. That places things in a new light.

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I still think you have to be a complete loon to pay what some of those games go for.

 

Collectivitis has assuredly pushed the prices on some of the best games way beyond what a normal person is willing to pay, like Metal Slug 1. But that's the way it is...I can't explain why people pay 14 gazillion dollars on a painting either, or why beanie babies drive soccer moms nutzo. If 2 or 3 people buy a game for $2000, then sorry but that game is now worth $2000 because the internet and ebay make it so.

Those two or three people are ruining everything.

 

 

But my point about the absurd infighting still stands, and thus my point that NeoGeo collectors are insane.

[Tempest]

That's been going on for years though with conversion carts. You can convert an MVS game to play on the AES, but you need a sacrifical lamb cartridge to gut and get the encryption chip off of. Usually people(convertors) buy less successful releases at a lower price, like Sengoku 3, I've been told that a huge chunk of those were used as sac carts, but it hasn't really affected the price. KOF 2001 carts probably won't be missed to much, considering SSV and a million other fighters are available on the system.

 

World Heroes 2 gets sacrificed alot too. I think that's what my Ghostlop is made out of.

 

It's odd when you start collecting for MVS. You can do an MVS collection VERY cheaply if you don't care what condition the labels are in. However if you want english labels with intact serial numbers (like me), the price usually doubles or triples (but still waaaay less than AES carts). Even mega common games like KOF 98 can be nearly impossible (and expensive) to find with intact serials.

 

I imagine PS1 games fall into a similar category. You can probably get a large bulk of your PS1 titles out of the way if you're willing to take loose discs. If you want jewel cases the price goes up.

 

Tempest

[shadow460]

I still think you have to be a complete loon to pay what some of those games go for.

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I paid $100 for Tank Command. The average of what I pay for most games, TC aside, is $10.

 

So is it possible to make reproductions of Neo Geo games? Or are there technological or copyright hurdles to overcome?

[Phineasfool]

I still think you have to be a complete loon to pay what some of those games go for.

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I paid $100 for Tank Command. The average of what I pay for most games, TC aside, is $10.

 

So is it possible to make reproductions of Neo Geo games? Or are there technological or copyright hurdles to overcome?

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There's plenty of bootleg Neo Geo carts out there. But most serious NG collectors want nothing to do with them.

[Ze_ro]

It's odd when you start collecting for MVS.  You can do an MVS collection VERY cheaply if you don't care what condition the labels are in.  However if you want english labels with intact serial numbers (like me), the price usually doubles or triples (but still waaaay less than AES carts).  Even mega common games like KOF 98 can be nearly impossible (and expensive) to find with intact serials.

This is a little off-topic... but what's the deal with all the MVS carts with the serial numbers scratched off anyways? Were people not supposed to re-sell these, and are worried about possible legal issues or something? It personally doesn't bother me a whole lot, since MVS carts are pretty ugly and utilitarian as it is, but it's always confused me.

 

What about that old Cinematronic-whatever laserdisc system?

 

Goodness, that  was expensive back in the day--and very rare too!

I think you mean the RDI Halcyon system. I suppose it would be expensive to collect for. The last system sold on Ebay (years ago) for around $2000 and there are only two games for it. I do see the game discs up on ebay from time to time for only $50 or so, so it's really the system that's the expensive part.

I think he's probably talking about the Laseractive... For a system like that (or others like the Adventurevision), the rarities become a little more important than the prices. Even though you'll likely spend a lot of money overall, it might take you a long time to find everything, so you might end up spending less money per year than you might collecting something like PS1 or classic Gameboy titles. As for PS1 though, I know a number of people with complete collections (Coincidentally, I think one of them also has a complete Laseractive collection)... there aren't a whole lot of rare titles, so even though there are about 1200 releases, the vast majority are pretty cheap. Classic Gameboy would get pretty pricey if you're restricting yourself to complete games though, as it seems most kids threw out or destroyed their boxes.

 

Of course, the Halcyon is certainly a good example... but with only two games available for it, it might not be as expensive as most systems in the long run.

 

--Zero

[Jess Ragan]

Screw that! There needs to be a Neo-Geo flash cartridge... something that takes memory cards, like the Supercard for the Game Boy Advance. Now that's one $200 purchase for the Neo-Geo that I would actually consider.

 

Anyway, I disagree with what Tempest was saying about used Playstation discs... mostly because the majority of them are sold with jewel cases. One general rule of thumb with game collecting is that the more durable the game's packaging is, the more likely it will be included with the game when it is resold.

 

Compare the Genesis and the Super NES. With Genesis cartridges, there's a fifty/fifty chance the game will include the box, because it's sturdy and it keeps the cartridge safe when not in use. With Super NES cartridges, there's no point in keeping the box because it's flimsy plastic. It's almost as safe outside the box as it is inside it. I'd say that at least 90% of Super NES games are sold "in the nude" for that reason.

 

The jewel cases that come with Playstation games are even more important, because without them the disc is extremely prone to damage. I'd go so far as to say that 80% of the Playstation games I've seen in the wild include at least the jewel case, and the majority of those come with instructions. I HAVE seen bare Playstation discs, but they're not in abundant supply. I get the feeling that most game stores won't buy the games unless they're in their original packaging.

 

JR

[SHAGOHOD X99]

NEO:GEO and Atomiswave.

[Tempest]

This is a little off-topic... but what's the deal with all the MVS carts with the serial numbers scratched off anyways? Were people not supposed to re-sell these, and are worried about possible legal issues or something? It personally doesn't bother me a whole lot, since MVS carts are pretty ugly and utilitarian as it is, but it's always confused me.

 

From what I understand it was because they weren't supposed to resell them to other arcade dealers. So they wouldn't get caught they scratched off the serial numbers so they couldn't be traced. You'll notice this most on the more popular titles (Metal Slug, KOF, Samurai Shodown) because those were the ones that got passed around more often. I still have yet to see a KOF 98 with the serials intact...

 

Tempest