Why's my MAME doing this?

[King Atari]

Well, I got MAME .60, and within the first week, played arcade Double Dragon over 100 times (no lie!). However, I'm still having problems, mostly with older arcade games. You see, I'll download them, and when I go to play them, they always appear sideways! Even when I toggle the screen direction thingy, it doesn't help. I wanna play Crazy Kong! Pac-Man won't even play right, and MAME without Pac-Man is like an Atari without Double Dragon! Newer games work okay, it's mostly just stuff in the early 80's range. Any idea on why it's doing this, and any way I can fix it?

[Osbo]

i dunno, i've tryed mame 6 and I went back to the old one that I had... no problems at all

 

osbo

[King Atari]

Hmmm, you think it could be my monitor? Everything worked good on my old MAME, so I don't think so, but I really have no idea.

[dcden]

Which old version of Mame did you go back to? I also have a few ROMs which don't work on v.60 and I don't know which old version I should try.

[Osbo]

I'm actually using MAME32 0.36 and MAME 0.37 for DOS

[Nukey Shay]

My God, man...you're missing out on some kicka$$ updates (just getting T2 working in .37b5 ROCKED).

Update your Mame32 to version .56 and you shouldn't have any problems (besides fixing your romsets, that is).

Romset floods can often be had at alt.binaries.emulators.misc...I think that there is a Sega system32 flood going on now.

[NE146]

I decided a while ago that Mame officially sucks because none of the games I used to like to play as a kid are emulated very well.

 

Games like Space Chaser, Crazy Balloon, and Sega Space Attack languish WITHOUT sound. Phoenix remains with it's totally WRONG sound. And other games like 1982 Taito Marine Deto don't even get emulated... These games just got abandoned it seems.

 

Yet we have great emulated versions of cps2, Mortal Kombat, Neo-Geo, post 1998 games, and 50% of every kiddy porn mahjong game in existance given loving attention.

 

Ok now that my venting is over. I had problems with mame.60 as well. I use mame32 v.59. It works great!

 

[ 06-10-2002: Message edited by: NE146 ]

[Osbo]

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Originally posted by Nukey Shay:

My God, man...you're missing out on some kicka$$ updates (just getting T2 working in .37b5 ROCKED).

Update your Mame32 to version .56 and you shouldn't have any problems (besides fixing your romsets, that is).

Romset floods can often be had at alt.binaries.emulators.misc...I think that there is a Sega system32 flood going on now.

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Well yeah, but u see... i don't play that often with MAME... just a few arcades I used to play as a kid (Kung fu master for an instance)

[Nukey Shay]

NE146--

Games are added when good romsets are dumped and figured out. Some had stuff that cannot be emulated, so they have to improvise. And yeah, all of MY old favorites had no cpu (so they will never be in Mame)

[NE146]

But Taito Marine Deto (aka Marine Date) CAN be emulated you see? Actually I know there is a preliminary driver for it so I was just kind of mouthing off.

 

Anyway I'd imagine the game would suck on mame as it is trackball control and the gameplay requires you to "spin" (much like capcom bowling) to get your octopus through a maze. Yes.. and the game kind of sucks as well.

[Osbo]

i just got mame32 0.58, so far so good...

[KAZ]

Kung Fu Master on MAME seems to have a difference in the sound too...like the arcade version somehow sounds different. Does anyone agree with this?

 

But you simply can't go wrong with games like Ms. Pacman, Galaga, Dig Dug, Kangaroo.

 

on MAME tho all play as perfectly as I could ever want short of actually having those huge machines.

 

I'd say that MAME is absolutely amazing for what it can do, I love it!

 

Technically, I think that Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr., by virtue of using sound samples...aren't exactly like the arcade, but the MAME is the BEST "home" version of those two, hands down!

 

Pacman on Namco Museum on the Sony Playstation SUCKS compared to what it is like on MAME. So does all the other namco classics (they are ok in themselves, but nothing like the arcade). MAME does them flawlessly (in my eyes).

 

[ 06-10-2002: Message edited by: KAZ ]

[Osbo]

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Originally posted by KAZ:

I'd say that MAME is absolutely amazing for what it can do, I love it!

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I know, that's exactly why I got it in the first place like 2 years ago, I love MAME, and I love to play the arcades of my chilhood (I still suck, but who cares? )

[Nukey Shay]

Dunno about how authentic sounds are...it's been ages since I've even seen a classic arcade machine.

[NE146]

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on MAME tho all play as perfectly as I could ever want short of actually having those huge machines.  I'd say that MAME is absolutely amazing for what it can do, I love it!

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it's been ages since I've even seen a classic arcade machine  

 

Mame is awesome (my rants above notwithstanding) just as long as we dont forget that playing it can never *REALLY* fully duplicate the actual arcade game (something a lot might forget especially after not seeing a particular game for years). This is true especially on most of the dedicated classic machines. I mean sure Space Invaders may be emulated almost perfectly, but how can you compare the two? Take a look:

 

 

vs.

 

 

But you're right, in and of itself. Mame works pretty good for what it does

[KAZ]

But I always thought that MAME wasn't a simulation but for all technical purposes it WAS the exact rom from the actual arcade machine.

 

Like someone dumped the rom from a REAL machine onto a computer somehow, and designed different hardware to play it.

 

Some arcade games obviously suffer because part of THE FUN of playing an arcade is sometimes the controls and looks of the machine you are at.

 

Namco Museum for Playstation is NOT the real rom

MAME is the REAL rom, so it will play exactly like the arcade.

 

Awesome point about Space Invaders, it looks different because of the built in background.

 

Maybe I'm confused too, I'm not sure.

 

Namco Museum is a SIMULATION of pacman

MAME is a REPLICATION (exact copy) of pacman

 

The only thing "closer" is like what I saw at The Midwest Classic, where they brought in ACTUAL arcade boards, and hooked it to something to play the arcade games from

 

So that is even closer to the arcade than MAME would be, because it uses the real hardware.

 

[ 06-10-2002: Message edited by: KAZ ]

[Osbo]

nah I don't think it's your monitor, i think it's the new MAME... i had problems with some old roms as well (like kung fu master) and I just went back to the old MAME

 

Osbo

[NE146]

Awesome point about Space Invaders, it looks different because of the built in background.

Don't forget the mirrored ghost image effect (you can see the original monitor on the bottom in that pic), and the thick bass and echoey reverbish sound.

 

Some arcade games obviously suffer because part of THE FUN of playing an arcade is sometimes the controls and looks of the machine you are at. Namco Museum for Playstation is NOT the real rom/ MAME is the REAL rom, so it will play exactly like the arcade.

 

If the game didn't have custom controls, then yes ideally it *should* play exactly like the arcade. However again that's IF the game is emulated correctly. A lot of games still suffer from inaccurate emulation whether it's the actual gameplay that suffers, or an aesthetic detail like the color or sound or missing graphic. And again, other things of course simply can't be emulated (like the look of an actual vector monitor for example).

 

For example, playing Asteroids on mame, you might easily forget how the original looked with bright glowing shots. That's because a computer monitor can't max out the brightness and intensity of a single on-screen pixel, whereas a vector monitor could. Hence the bright shots in the arcade, and the pale pellets in mame.