Moleater #26 Posted August 16, 2006 Also, as I noted earlier, for what I would have paid for the Amiga (box) only, $1500.00, I got an ST, a monitor, floppy drive, and a printer, with change left over...for software. The Amiga had awesome hardware, just too darn expensive... Lol... I never said they were cheap :-) I shudder at the price I paid for an Atari 810 disk drive (and that's with me getting it at trade).. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goochman #27 Posted August 16, 2006 I agree with the list - A800 and Apple II def were watersheds in the PC arena. The C64 really sold enmass, but the Amiga had a bigger impact. If the Amige didnt make the list then the C64 probably should've, but the Amiga was the first multimedia PC whereas the C64 was the first truly mass produced/sold. If you wanted to associate the C64 with getting the public involved in PCs then you would hafve to put the Timex Sinlcair on the list - its cheap price got lots of people playing with PCs back then (my neighbot get the Sinclair version first and then a C64 ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+DarkLord #28 Posted August 16, 2006 But the ST did have a few firsts, MDI built in, bit-mapped display, etc,... Ummm... can't disagree with the MIDI but the first bitmapped display? The Apple ][ has a bitmapped mode, the Acorn BBC Micro, Sinclair Spectrum and Amstrad CPC run purely on a bitmapped display and have no text mode... unless you meant something else by the term? From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST "Although the Macintosh was the first widely available computer with a graphical user interface (GUI), it was limited to a monochromatic display on a smaller built-in monitor. The Atari ST was the first computer with a fully bit-mapped color GUI." Thats what I mean... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZylonBane #29 Posted August 16, 2006 Sounds like that Wiki entry should be edited then, as that statement is quite gibberish in its current form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird3rd #30 Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) Ummm... can't disagree with the MIDI but the first bitmapped display? The Apple ][ has a bitmapped mode, the Acorn BBC Micro, Sinclair Spectrum and Amstrad CPC run purely on a bitmapped display and have no text mode... unless you meant something else by the term? Ugh ... I hope this doesn't turn into anything like the old ANTIC framebuffer debate. Edited August 16, 2006 by jaybird3rd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
emkay #31 Posted August 16, 2006 What's this list? A Truck from 1980 is better than a Ferrari from 2006, and a Ford Mustang from 1976 is better than all? A bit weird, huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMR #32 Posted August 16, 2006 From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST "Although the Macintosh was the first widely available computer with a graphical user interface (GUI), it was limited to a monochromatic display on a smaller built-in monitor. The Atari ST was the first computer with a fully bit-mapped color GUI." Thats what I mean... Ah, first colour GUI is a totally different claim... =-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moleater #33 Posted August 16, 2006 Ah, first colour GUI is a totally different claim... =-) Lol...You are very pro active re the 8bit these days J... Clue: Paul Clue: Walthamstow Nice to see you about.......Hope all is fine old man... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMR #34 Posted August 17, 2006 Lol...You are very pro active re the 8bit these days J... i'm everywhere these days; C64, Atari 8-bit, VIC, C16... if it's got a 6502 variant i've at least considered coding on it and for the Z80 i pull in other members of Cosine. =-) Nice to see you about.......Hope all is fine old man... Oh, not bad... still a bit underpaid for the work i'm doing but you know me, never one to complain as long as i'm happy. =-) tmr[at]cosine[dot]org[dot]uk if you want to natter! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+DarkLord #35 Posted August 17, 2006 Ah, first colour GUI is a totally different claim... =-) But valid, none-the-less... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMR #36 Posted August 17, 2006 Ah, first colour GUI is a totally different claim... =-) But valid, none-the-less... Valid yes, but in a historical sense it's still hardly an major event because the hard bit, the GUI itself, had already been done... =-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thomasholzer #37 Posted August 17, 2006 Some MSX computer had midi built in pre ST? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+remowilliams #38 Posted August 17, 2006 Some MSX computer had midi built in pre ST? That Yamaha one? Except you couldn't actually use the midi ports for midi IIRC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesD #39 Posted September 4, 2006 Ah, first colour GUI is a totally different claim... =-) But valid, none-the-less... Actually no. GEM Desktop originated on the PC and had color there. I believe it was sold by itself at first. I even used to sell Amstrad PCs that included GEM desktop in the states at the time the ST came out and I'm sure the machines were available in Europe months before we got them. Also, the Amiga was in develpment long before the ST and had a working color GUI... it just shipped after the ST. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+DarkLord #40 Posted September 5, 2006 Ah, first colour GUI is a totally different claim... =-) But valid, none-the-less... Actually no. GEM Desktop originated on the PC and had color there. I believe it was sold by itself at first. I even used to sell Amstrad PCs that included GEM desktop in the states at the time the ST came out and I'm sure the machines were available in Europe months before we got them. Also, the Amiga was in develpment long before the ST and had a working color GUI... it just shipped after the ST. But did the PC have a bit mapped display? That was part of the original claim as well.. In regards to the Amiga, perhaps the Wiki entry should say first commercially available...blah, blah, blah... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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