NES IS NOT CLASSIC!!!!

[Marco(2)]

I guess we just don't know what will happen. I don't think the ancient Egyptians thought they would be remembered by most of us by some insignificant ruler - Tutanchamon - in stead of one of their big pharaohs, Ramses II.

 

For the time being, most people will probably see both as classic systems. To me however, the Atari 2600 will always be from a different league, call it 'more classic' if you will, simply because it was the first system to make it all happen.

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

[ubersaurus]

I'll explode in my grave if the only consoles remembered are the playstation and the channel f ;p

[Neoc56]

I would consider nes a classic

It had to be one of the biggest game systems after atari, i mean most people dont even know about jaguar and Lynx. I grew up in the time of nes but that doesn't make it a classic. I just think it is a really great system. It was the first to have Mario i beleive.Nes is a classic

[TheSmirk]

...if you are over 25 years old you are considered an Antique

 

Really?? *sigh* I didn't realize thats the cutoff point!

 

I'd call NES a classic at this point, its closer to 20 years old now than 15, and you cannot deny that it pulled the rotting carcass of console gaming out of the grave....so it definately contributed....is it as "classic" as Atari and it's alumni? Not necessarily, but by the same token, say pick two different winning Yankees legacies older than 15 years ago, they'd both be "classic" yankees teams, which is more classic? Depends on which you grew up with probably...

[Gunstar]

With the rapid changes in technologies, especially computers and consoles, I don't think you can really use other "standards" to go by when talking about consoles and computers. For example, a car is considered a classic after 25 years, but cars have not progressed the way computers have. I personally consider ANY system 10 years old or older a classic, considering that in this day and age a computer/console can be considered obsolete in six months to a year or two. I consider anything that came out before '93 to be a classic now and next year the 3DO and Jaguar base unit will be ten years old and move into the classic catagory from modern catagory to me. Consoles and computers 20 years old or older I consider nearly antiques in the electronics world. As do most other electronic techs/engineers. So as far as I'm concerned, and many of my electronics colleagues, not only is the NES a "classic," but in 3 years it will move into the "antique" catagory. By electronic professional's standards. Actually, we use the term "vintage" instead of antique, but it's basically the same thing as far as electronics go...

[Neoc56]

Gunstar wrote

I consider ANY system 10 years or older a classic.

 

What if a game system is a horrible and no one practically even knows about it but it is ten years old, is it still a classic

 

Although i do consider NES a classic.

[Gunstar]

Gunstar wrote

I consider ANY system 10 years or older a classic.

 

What if a game system is a horrible and no one practically even knows about it but it is ten years old, is it still a classic

 

Although i do consider NES a classic.

 

Only in as much as deciding which forum catagory to talk about said horrible system, such as deciding whether to post in the modern gaming forum or classics forum here at Atari Age.

 

Another point I'd like to bring up is the difference between calling software and hardware "classic." I feel that games, music, movies and such can be "instant classics" if they are good, these are all "software." You wouldn't call a piece of hardware classic though until it is aged, and that "classic" status should have nothing to do with it's "popularity" with the general public, just like cars are automatically labeled "classics" after 25 years regardless of how good they actually were or by their popularity. With hardware it can be strictly an age thing...take the vintage 'Channel F' system from the seventies for example, it was a horrible piece of junk with very little good software for it and also a miserable failure; but collectors consider it a "classic" or "vintage" system.

[Marco(2)]

...and that "classic" status should have nothing to do with it's "popularity" with the general public, just like cars are automatically labeled "classics" after 25 years regardless of how good they actually were or by their popularity.

 

So, every car older than 25 years is a classic? I don't follow that. In my book, they're all old cars, maybe even antique, but only a couple are true classics. I think popularity, or IMPACT has a great deal to do with the classic status. In this timeframe, both the 2600 and NES, should be considered classics because of what they achieved, not because of their age. In the long, long run it remains to be seen if both will have the same, lasting impact, thus deciding upon their classic status being eternal or not.

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

[Varan]

The NES revitalized the gaming industry. Not sure how you can dismiss that.

[Gunstar]

...and that "classic" status should have nothing to do with it's "popularity" with the general public, just like cars are automatically labeled "classics" after 25 years regardless of how good they actually were or by their popularity.

 

So, every car older than 25 years is a classic? I don't follow that. In my book, they're all old cars, maybe even antique, but only a couple are true classics. I think popularity, or IMPACT has a great deal to do with the classic status. In this timeframe, both the 2600 and NES, should be considered classics because of what they achieved, not because of their age. In the long, long run it remains to be seen if both will have the same, lasting impact, thus deciding upon their classic status being eternal or not.

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

 

I'm not talking specifics, I'm generalizing, "they are from a now classic ERA of gaming." Like my example of the channel-F that you conviently left out of your quote of my post.

 

As far as cars go, I don't make the rules and I'm not sure who does, but that's the way it is...you CAN NOT get classic plates for a car until it is 25+ years old, here in the states, and ANY car 25+ years old you can get classic plates for if you want AND people take all sorts of models to "classic" car shows and show them of in mint condition, even crap like the AMC Gremlin or Pacer or Pinto, and they are all butt ugly, cheaply made and accidents waiting to happen. That's just the way it is. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the old saying goes...I feel this way about consoles. I don't like the NES at all, never did, yet I'll conceed it's a classic.

[Gunstar]

The NES revitalized the gaming industry.  Not sure how you can dismiss that.

 

Who's dismissing it? I haven't read that anywhere in any post left so far, and I personally never dismissed it. Not that your talking to me necessarily, I don't know who your are refering too...

[Marco(2)]

I'm not talking specifics, I'm generalizing, "they are from a now classic ERA of gaming." Like my example of the channel-F that you conviently left out of your quote of my post.

 

Ah, sorry, there was no evil intent in that.

 

take the vintage 'Channel F' system from the seventies for example, it was a horrible piece of junk with very little good software for it and also a miserable failure; but collectors consider it a "classic" or "vintage" system.

 

You are absolutely right! But, in my view it's already fading (or whatever you want to call it: to be classic appears to be the best thing there is, otherwise all those NES collectors wouldn't be so upset here) from classic to justold. In another decade or so, most people will have forgotten about the Channel F. Not something would happen to a real classic, as far as I'm concerned.

 

I think we may have used the termed classic as a synonym for old by calling all systems from the 70s and 80s classic systems. Now our vocabulary fails to distinguish between the real and not-so-real classics.

 

As far as cars go, I don't make the rules and I'm not sure who does, but that's the way it is...you CAN NOT get classic plates for a car until it is 25+ years old, here in the states, and ANY car 25+ years old you can get classic plates for if you want AND people take all sorts of models to "classic" car shows and show them of in mint condition, even crap like the AMC Gremlin or Pacer or Pinto, and they are all butt ugly, cheaply made and accidents waiting to happen. That's just the way it is.

 

Overhere we have oldtimers and classics. Cars officially turn into oldtimers after 25 years (and get tax benefits, special plates etc). Some of those oldtimers are considered classics by collectors. Again, age is needed (most of the times) to become classic, but age alone is not enough.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the old saying goes...I feel this way about consoles. I don't like the NES at all, never did, yet I'll conceed it's a classic.

 

Same here, same here :wink:

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

[Marco(2)]

The NES revitalized the gaming industry.  Not sure how you can dismiss that.

 

If you were referring to one of my posts, I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I have stated that the NES - at this moment - is rightfully considered a classic, because of the impact it had.

 

I do believe that you exaggerate the revitalization by the NES a bit though. Maybe it's true for the US, and for console gaming, but I don't think it holds for my country and gaming in general.

 

Here, the Crash was not as grand at is apparently was in the US. The 'classic' consoles had a longer life span and gaming in general lived on strongly on several home computers (that were used 95% for gaming), like the C64, through the 80s.

 

Did we need the NES to revive videogaming or the videogame industry, as you put it? We wouldn't have had Playstation or XBox without the NES? Possibly, perhaps even likely. Will it be remembered for that? For sure, for now. And in the long run? Who knows. Perhaps people will only remember the one American firm that built it up and brought it down again, but that had made something so strong, so typical for the 1980s that the Crash will only look like a small glitch?

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

[munkyxtc]

The dictionary defines Classic as:

 

clas·sic Pronunciation Key (klsk)

adj.

 

Belonging to the highest rank or class.

Serving as the established model or standard: a classic example of colonial architecture.

Having lasting significance or worth; enduring.

 

Adhering or conforming to established standards and principles: a classic piece of research.

Of a well-known type; typical: a classic mistake.

Of or characteristic of the literature, art, and culture of ancient Greece and Rome; classical.

 

Formal, refined, and restrained in style.

Simple and harmonious; elegant: the classic cut of a suit; the classic lines of a clipper ship.

Having historical or literary associations: classic battlefields of the Civil War.

 

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So read over the defintion and you will find this entry: "Having lasting significance or worth; enduring."

 

Well, I'd say that right there sums up the NES and it's popularity... That's just my 2 cents... BTW, MY VOTE: NES IS DEFINATELY A CLASSIC!!!

 

"M"

[Marco(2)]

So read over the defintion and you will find this entry: "Having lasting significance or worth; enduring."  

Well, I'd say that right there sums up the NES and it's popularity...  That's just my 2 cents... BTW, MY VOTE:  NES IS DEFINATELY A CLASSIC!!!"M"

 

I think most of us will agree to that definition, and most posters here agree that the NES should be considered a classic today. But, it still doesn't tell us if the NES - or any other console for that matter - will keep its enduring impact and thus maintain its classic status in the long run. I guess that'll always be a winnerless yes&no debate - unless anyone has a timemachine, that is...

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

[russ]

in computer eveolution a classic is any device or program made a month ago and or a couple of years ago.

 

basicly, if it is new today it is outdated tomorrow and there for a classic in the time line of computers since time in this realm moves at a more accelerated pace.

[Marco(2)]

in computer eveolution a classic is any device or program made a month ago and or a couple of years ago.

 

 basicly, if it is new today it is outdated tomorrow and there for a classic in the time line of computers since time in this realm moves at a more accelerated pace.

 

Okay then, one more try:

 

You say, for example, Dr.Dos 6.0 or whatever other program that never made a real difference, is a classic just because it's old? Age alone doesn't make something (a) classic. At least, not by the defenition given above.

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

[AtariKen64]

to compare classic games to classic cars.....

 

 

 

well alot of people ooh and ahh over t birds and the like but people still mock the edsel and other cars

 

 

so theres your nes and channel f comparison.!

[russ]

it was meant to be a way of saying in any one persons thoughts and belief anything can be a classic when it comes to a computer or console i mean hell it was that long ago when the Trs-80 was considered top of the line.

or even Apple computers for that matter,

 

I know i know Shut up i am not making sense and fail to see the point of what your trying to say.

 

but the fact is those forms of computers and consoles that people grew up with is why those people in the time frame from 19-70 to 19-87 say what they do about nintendo not being a classic and why they consider atari and other systems released in and around the same time to be classic.

 

and the same can be said about todays kids or young adults they will be saying that about nintendo and xbox and all the rest to thier kids/grandkids alike.

 

so in closeing i would just like to say who cares classic or not if it is your favorite system should another persons views make that much of a diffrence to you whether it is classic or not ?

 

oh and by the way i consider any computer that is a 80286 and running windows 2.1.0 a classic like it or not.

 

Scincerly

Russell Morton

[Marco(2)]

[*]:wink: postmodernistic "anything goes" approaches take out the fun of discussions. Of course it's not important whether something is classic or not. But rambling on about it on a message board sure is!

[*] people that grew up in the Atari era also lived the Nintendo era. They know about the achievements of both Atari and Nintendo. You could say the first are better informed.

[*] Not every console from the 70s-80s era should be considered a classic. Age alone is not enough to qualify for that status.

[*] Based upon the evidence presented here, both Atari 2600 and NES are rightfully considered classics today.

[*] I contend that the 2600 is the real King of Consoles than the NES, and it will be recognized as such in 50 years. However, future generations may look upon that quite differently, citing the Playstation as the biggest achievement of the console era...

 

Cheers,

 

Marco

[Noble Kale]

ugh., This thread is still going?

 

It's ironic though, that Nateo posted about NES in the Classing gaming forum, about how it isn't a classic....

[Mister VCS]

I think a classic-system must have been a step forward in the videogaming history. Here is my list:

 

1. Atari VCS 2600 - the system who made videogaming popular

2. Colecovision - a big step forward in graphic and expanding a system

near to the "NES-aera"

3. NES - refreshed the video-game market and allowed more

complex games, the industry moved from US to Japan

 

4. Sony PSX - changed the industry from a freak market to a mass-

market like music CDs. First popular disc-system

 

 

the end till today

 

 

this means: not classic Odyssey 2(G7000), Intellivision, Atari 5200/7800 Vectrex and so on

 

 

Mister VCS