+save2600 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I find the keypad buttons a bit of an annoyance. You have to really press in all the way as opposed to the old bubble style pads, which seemed more responsive. Anyone else have this issue? Used with the overlays maybe? Otherwise, I barely have to press or indent those soft keys in order for them to register. Not like we're talking about the Intellivision controller anyway; where we rely on quick, fast and smooth-gliding, keypad diddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIAD Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The issue I see (based on the attached picture I've seen) is that the joystick 'shaft' is WAY too short. Pinched fingers when pressing UP are a distinct possibility here... While I never had any issues using the Coleco made hand controller unlike MANY others, this new AtGames controller with it's very short shaft looks like it's going to present a considerable problem. Looks like the modders in the community might have another controller mod to add to their line-up of services. Hopefully the CVFB sells well enough to warrant a CVFB 2 which will afford AtGames the opportunity to correct improve some items: - move the power connector to the back of the unit - lengthen the shaft of the controller - group the Homebrew games together Hmm. maybe they could lengthen the controller shaft and top it with threads that would allow the top to be interchangeable between the standard Coleco style disc, a ball-knob or a stick like the A2600's controller. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nurmix Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 They are slightly smaller too, although that may actually be a benefit. I have yet to try one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Used with the overlays maybe? Otherwise, I barely have to press or indent those soft keys in order for them to register. Not like we're talking about the Intellivision controller anyway; where we rely on quick, fast and smooth gliding, keypad diddling. No, I tried it with and without the overlays. I've experienced it on both controllers. Do you find the text a bit hard to read? (try Tournament Tennis in particular) What about the colors, particularly in Choplifter? Are the background mountains rainbow colored? (from a technical standpoint, perhaps it's a straight interpretation of the ColecoVision's video output, and as such does not benefit from whatever additional processing is inherent in the original?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didimo63 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 *That's* the difference alright! Have already experienced some cramping/pinching going on and have barely played the thing. Really like the side buttons and keypad though! I DO like the shorter stick. I was 20 in 1983 when I bought my Colecovision (just to provide a reference to the fact that I was a young adult), and I hated the stick, which I found too long and cumbersome. I DO like this shorter version, and I haven't experienced any issues so far. It may be a matter of taste, though. However, I welcome the change. Just like I welcome the inversion of the side key actions in Cosmic Avenger. It made no sense to have torpedoes on the right and laser on the left. More modern games (Gradius anyone?) got us used to the opposite. Matter of taste in that case, also. I guess. Since I own all the originals, I guess I'm not that picky, and I was looking for something a bit different. I love the side buttons and the keypad buttons, also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I DO like the shorter stick. I was 20 in 1983 when I bought my Colecovision (just to provide a reference to the fact that I was a young adult), and I hated the stick, which I found too long and cumbersome. I DO like this shorter version, and I haven't experienced any issues so far. It may be a matter of taste, though. However, I welcome the change. Just like I welcome the inversion of the side key actions in Cosmic Avenger. It made no sense to have torpedoes on the right and laser on the left. More modern games (Gradius anyone?) got us used to the opposite. Matter of taste in that case, also. I guess. Since I own all the originals, I guess I'm not that picky, and I was looking for something a bit different. I love the side buttons and the keypad buttons, also. Can you move well in Venture? I found the switched buttons annoying in some games. As for the controller nub, it's almost like it was designed to be used with a thumb like a modern d-pad, but it doesn't work well for me doing that either. The classic ColecoVision claw hand grip is uncomfortable for me with the short numb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Looks like people will be requesting balltop joystick mods on these controllers soon enough. Maybe a poor man's version of this could be to cut a rubber ball in half and glue it to the disc. The shaft will still be way too short though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed1475 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) I also noticed there's no speech in Squish'em Sam. Anyone else confirm that? Nope, no speech. Do you find the text a bit hard to read? (try Tournament Tennis in particular) Yes, the text in some games is a little fuzzy. LIke the title screen text in Tomarc the Barbarian. What about the colors, particularly in Choplifter? Are the background mountains rainbow colored? Yes, I noticed rainbow coloring too. In Mountain King, the player is tri-colored (green,white,magenta) instead of all white in the original. The botom floor of the cave and the floor in the throne room are multi-colored too instead of being all yellow. It's sort of like a test pattern of colors. In some games, I think the short joystick is much too responsive. I haven't been able to race to the top of the mountain yet in Mountain King because the joystick is too sensitive. The Heist plays way too slow. From the timer at top of the screen, it's only playing about half as fast as it should be. Edited August 27, 2014 by ed1475 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The side buttons are reversed? That's a big fail for me. I will gladly buy a modded controller if anyone makes one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didimo63 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Can you move well in Venture? I found the switched buttons annoying in some games. As for the controller nub, it's almost like it was designed to be used with a thumb like a modern d-pad, but it doesn't work well for me doing that either. The classic ColecoVision claw hand grip is uncomfortable for me with the short numb. Controls were sluggish in Colecovision Venture, but that was a matter of coding, not controllers. That said, I can play the Colecovision Flashback version much more easily than the original CV version, even with my favorite control system, aka the Atari 7800 gamepad. The Flashback controller is made to be used with the thumb. I find it very natural that way. The old "thumb + index - stick - grip" method does not work with this one as it did with the old one. And, frankly, I don't miss that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Controls were sluggish in Colecovision Venture, but that was a matter of coding, not controllers. That said, I can play the Colecovision Flashback version much more easily than the original CV version, even with my favorite control system, aka the Atari 7800 gamepad. The Flashback controller is made to be used with the thumb. I find it very natural that way. The old "thumb + index - stick - grip" method does not work with this one as it did with the old one. And, frankly, I don't miss that . I really dislike the 7800 gamepad. For me, the best ColecoVision controllers are properly modded original ColecoVision controllers with oversized ball tops. The Pac-Man/Ms. Pac-Man controller mods I have are absolutely perfect. I really do think the hardware designer on the ColecoVision Flashback went with thumb-based control, and to me, for this type of system, that's not a good thing. I don't feel I can pIay these games any better that way, and in fact in some, it's far worse. I'd much rather have a simple mirroring of the ColecoVision original with nominal modern considerations/improvements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didimo63 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I really dislike the 7800 gamepad. For me, the best ColecoVision controllers are properly modded original ColecoVision controllers with oversized ball tops. The Pac-Man/Ms. Pac-Man controller mods I have are absolutely perfect. I really do think the hardware designer on the ColecoVision Flashback went with thumb-based control, and to me, for this type of system, that's not a good thing. I don't feel I can pIay these games any better that way, and in fact in some, it's far worse. I'd much rather have a simple mirroring of the ColecoVision original with nominal modern considerations/improvements. I understand. I would not mind at all a V. 2 with (perfect? ) replicas of the original controllers. The 7800 gamepad is what it is, but I find it better on CV than the Sega Master System pad. I've never owned a ball top CV controller, even though I was sort of drooling over the ball top mod ads in Electronic Games back in the days. It probably indeed is the best option. However, over the years I became a pad guy. So I guess I like this controller because it feels like a compromise between a pad and a joystick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas10e Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I'm still confused about Toys "R" Us-I checked their website last night, and couldn't even find a listing for the word Colecovision. I went to a Toys-R-Us today to hopefully see the CV-FB & no joy walking around store .... then ask electronics sales person who didn't know anything about it he was missspelling it on their Website & even with correct spelling nothing came up nothing comes up now for Toys-R-Us web site or even Amazon.com ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrownd Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I took a fruitless trip to T-R-U yesterday, and didn't see ANY kind of electronic games there. However, I was tickled to find other throwbacks to my non-electronic youth - a Spirograph set and a Snoopy Snow Machine. If I look harder maybe I'll even find Light Brites and Shrinky-Dinks. Oooooh, memory lane.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 There are so few new ideas in the toy aisles. I got a kick out of seeing the mega size action figures (like three feet tall) modeled after batman, Spider-Man, Darth Vader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) I went to a Toys-R-Us today to hopefully see the CV-FB & no joy walking around store .... then ask electronics sales person who didn't know anything about it he was missspelling it on their Website & even with correct spelling nothing came up nothing comes up now for Toys-R-Us web site or even Amazon.com ..... You have to Google "Colecovision Flashback" which will direct you to a specific store in the U.S. where you can pre-order it. The site i went to was a Toys-R-Us in New Jersey. The site says "coming to stores in October" i hope that includes Canadian Toys-R-Us stores as well Edited August 27, 2014 by Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townparkradio Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Not 'as is'. The output signals are not the same as an original controller (adapters should be easily made though, like I did with the Intellivision Flashback controllers). The issue I see (based on the attached picture I've seen) is that the joystick 'shaft' is WAY too short. Pinched fingers when pressing UP are a distinct possibility here... ImageUploadedByTapatalk1409102104.680906.jpg I find myself simply operating it with a thumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nurmix Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) I find myself simply operating it with a thumb. But that's not the Colecovision the way I remember and love the Colecovision. It's a bit like putting the fire button on the opposite side of a 2600 joystick and telling people to just "adapt". It's not the same. It's not the way I played it. And if I'm buying a modern recreation of a retro system, I expect there may be some flaws with certain games, speed, emulation, but I don't expect it to force me to change the way I have always played it - the way my brain is HARD WIRED to play it. That said, yes, it's $40. It's a no brainier purchase. Yes, I will still buy one when they are released. But my first order of business will be modding the "joy-nub" into a proper "joy-stub". Edited August 28, 2014 by nurmix 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I just don't think the thumb-based method works either, but I can say that the controller does work better with the traditional thumb and forefinger grip the more you get used to it. Naturally, in some games, like Zaxxon (in fact, it may work better than on the original controllers), the controllers work better than in some of the others I've tried, where I've found it quite frustrating to use. I have yet to do a side-by-side comparison, but there are definitely color variances in certain background objects (more or less a rainbow effect on these objects) and sound variances from the original versions of the game. I'll be curious if those who lengthen the shaft or put on a ball top find the controllers to work ideally, i.e., work well in all games, or they still exhibit some of the same issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Darrin9999 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I have found them in Michigan. will post pics later. Found at TRU. their system red flagged it not to go on sale until 9/22/14, manager came over said go ahead, He had not received any street date limitations.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradd1978 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Anyone have an extra or can grab me one? Shoot me a PM. I can't wait to play this :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Darrin9999 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 From post #995. here`s mine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikrananka Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I also noticed there's no speech in Squish'em Sam. Anyone else confirm that? I just tried the Squish'em Sam rom in blueMSX and also don't get the speech (apart from some garbled sound that is clearly heavily distorted speech). Does anyone else also experience this in blueMSX? Is this therefore a wider common emulation problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Anybody picked up a Dollar General or Sams Club model, or are the TRU base models the only ones known to have gotten "leaked" yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Darrin9999 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Anybody picked up a Dollar General or Sams Club model, or are the TRU base models the only ones known to have gotten "leaked" yet? I have only seen them at TRU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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