sparkdrummer Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The yards looking better and better. Thanks for your efforts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkdrummer Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Jumpered 7&8, swapped the other 2 and hooked that puppy up. Works great! Is there a way to transfer midi files to the ti? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Now that things appear to be all figured out, and to alleviate confusion, I believe that NanoPEB users would benefit from a PDF file with graphics and detailed explanation showing all the different cable configurations required for MIDI, CFHDX or anything else that might require a specific hookup. A newbie might run for cover rather than attempt any of this due to sheer confusion. Seriously, I've known people over the years new to things that followed directions to the letter, but still screwed things up simply because the documentation did not specify that the numbered pinouts were referring to the pins on the cable they were making and not the unit they were hooking up to as shown in a graphic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Now that things appear to be all figured out, and to alleviate confusion, I believe that NanoPEB users would benefit from a PDF file with graphics and detailed explanation showing all the different cable configurations required for MIDI, CFHDX or anything else that might require a specific hookup. ... Certainly a good idea, but a bit premature in my opinion. We have not yet figured out the other lines and how they can/cannot be used. The nanoPEB manual says that DTR can also be used (and by implication, DSR). Like I said somewhere above, I will not be able to check it out until I get near my nanoPEB in a couple of weeks. ...lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Certainly a good idea, but a bit premature in my opinion. We have not yet figured out the other lines and how they can/cannot be used. The nanoPEB manual says that DTR can also be used (and by implication, DSR). Like I said somewhere above, I will not be able to check it out until I get near my nanoPEB in a couple of weeks. ...lee Agreed, though I think a preliminary cheat sheet could be made if Omega is offering. I don't recall seeing any activity on the DTR (or DSR) pins. It will take a bit of CRU poking to determine if there are any other signals available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 ... a preliminary cheat sheet could be made if Omega is offering. Sorry, not this time. I have my hands full with other projects up to and including the end of April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Jumpered 7&8, swapped the other 2 and hooked that puppy up. Works great! Is there a way to transfer midi files to the ti? Those 2 swapped pins are mirror images of each other on the 5-pin DIN. I bet I goofed up looking at the male/female pinouts. I'll sort that out this week. I also want to figure out how to go the other direction so that you can play on the keyboard and record with the TI. I read about this somewhere, I just need to find the program and docs. (My MIDI cable for the PEB RS232 has the port connected to the RX pin along with a resistor from RX to ground.) There are some disks of MIDI files. MidiMaster will convert SNF files for use with MidiMaster. You can play them, save them, and load them. The SNF files seem to use "/M" or "_M" to signify the type. Converted, saved MIDI files are stored as program image files (I do not think this was a wise choice). Anyway, I am new to the MIDI stuff, so maybe Swim or anyone else who has used midimaster will chime in. There are some readme files in the 2.3 and 2.5Z disks that we should probably review, as they go into a few details about the format and requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Agreed, though I think a preliminary cheat sheet could be made if Omega is offering. I don't recall seeing any activity on the DTR (or DSR) pins. It will take a bit of CRU poking to determine if there are any other signals available. It could well be that Jaime meant RTS instead of DTR. It would make more sense had his statement in the manual said, “The only handshake signals supported are RTS and CTS.” ...lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Well, I had indeed confused myself and my notes by looking at the mirror images of the male/female pinouts. Sparkdrummer, if you have some spare time, could you confirm the nanopeb cable config is now documented properly, based on the cable you created? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Great ! Thanks for this. I will try to build a cable soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkdrummer Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Just double checked cable 5 pin din 9 pin dsub male female solder side solder side 4 ------------------------------- 5 5 ------------------------------- 3 -- 7 jumpered [ -- 8 Works great. Thanks again Tim 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Something still doesn't look right in that latest diagram. RS232 DB9, pin 5, should be ground as should RS232 DB25 pin 7. I'll have to make another pass, this time confirming that the pins are labeled correctly now that the cable connections are correct. In the meantime, I've attached an updated Midi Master 2.5Z disk image. This one contains both the nanopeb version and an ubergrom UART version. Both programs now have a reference to their respective hardware version, to minimize future confusion. MIDIMaster99-v25Z-standard-NANO AND UBERGROM.dsk (Edit: it helps to click 'attach this file' ) Edited April 2, 2017 by InsaneMultitasker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkdrummer Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Damn I'll double check my cable again. I apologize if I posted it incorrectly. Edited April 2, 2017 by sparkdrummer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Damn I'll double check my cable again. I apologize if I posted it incorrectly. I think the cable is right and that our connections both match. It is the labels (i.e., ground versus transmit) that seem to be mixed up. I tell ya, looking at these connectors tends to cross my eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkdrummer Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I agree. To make matters worse on my end the din connectors I have are cheap Chinese ones and don't even have the pins labeled! I had to look twice and thrice to make sure of correct wiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Ok so I built this, and it just hangs the nano i have 7-8 jumpered and midi 4 to rs232 5 and midi 5 to rs232 3 I try and play in midimaster and it just locks up and i have to power down the nano to get it to work right again. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Ok so I built this, and it just hangs the nano i have 7-8 jumpered and midi 4 to rs232 5 and midi 5 to rs232 3 I try and play in midimaster and it just locks up and i have to power down the nano to get it to work right again. Greg Pretty sure you have the rs232 pins reversed. Try midi 4 to rs232 3, and midi 5 to rs232 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) ok I had things wrong plus I had to go through the settings in the program and set it to port one, whatever you have saved in that DSK image isn't set to rs232/1 I got a couple notes out of it by importing music trying to find something that will play a song. Ahh the default delay needs to not be 0 ok that's playing now..THANKS! Greg Edited December 8, 2017 by arcadeshopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I didn't modify the program, so if it defaulted to RS232/2, I suppose that could be edited somehow for the nano. I don't recall having to change any settings though that means little these days Is the delay controlled by midi master or the mid file? (I don't know the answer) Oh, are you using Bruce's version 2.5Z from post 87 or a different version? Richard had some MIDI files that I downloaded or maybe he uploaded to either the Reef or Heatwave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I didn't modify the program, so if it defaulted to RS232/2, I suppose that could be edited somehow for the nano. I don't recall having to change any settings though that means little these days Is the delay controlled by midi master or the mid file? (I don't know the answer) Oh, are you using Bruce's version 2.5Z from post 87 or a different version? Richard had some MIDI files that I downloaded or maybe he uploaded to either the Reef or Heatwave. I bet you tried it with rs232/2 on the real TI last.. and yes the latest dsk image.. the delay is introduced by the default setting in the program setup 120 seems normalish.. I am messing with canon/m which is on one of the midi disks and its delay is 4900 of all things so its SUPER SLOW and its too huge to edit on the 4/a Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Ok got canon speeded up to 1920 which is 2.5* faster than 4900 and its still kinda sluggish but now listenable.. https://photos.app.goo.gl/atilQXbDWE4OSOlt2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I bet you tried it with rs232/2 on the real TI last.. and yes the latest dsk image.. the delay is introduced by the default setting in the program setup 120 seems normalish.. I am messing with canon/m which is on one of the midi disks and its delay is 4900 of all things so its SUPER SLOW and its too huge to edit on the 4/a Greg Can't you just adjust the speed from the midi master screen? Sounds good in your video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Can't you just adjust the speed from the midi master screen? Sounds good in your video! Yes but it is super slow hold arrow and it increments or decrements one at a time. Restart the song and it goes back to the set rate. Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneMultitasker Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Yes but it is super slow hold arrow and it increments or decrements one at a time. Restart the song and it goes back to the set rate. Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk Remind me to look at that sometime later. I'm thinking an easy solution is to allow for larger inc/dec increments, such as using a modifier (shift/ctrl) to jump by 10 or 100. That would allow much better control than the single value keypress. As for the starting value, is that MidiMaster set rate or the song? If it is the song, you could probably sector edit that value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Remind me to look at that sometime later. I'm thinking an easy solution is to allow for larger inc/dec increments, such as using a modifier (shift/ctrl) to jump by 10 or 100. That would allow much better control than the single value keypress. As for the starting value, is that MidiMaster set rate or the song? If it is the song, you could probably sector edit that value. That'd be great its in the song or default rate is set in the program setup. I ended up setting the rate on the pc and copying it over. the geneve rate is 2.5 the 994a rate so I set it to that. Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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