Flojomojo Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 On a control pad that isn't trying to be anything other than an xbox controller, sure. But this is masquerading as an arcade game. Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 i can get around 200k on the arcade version, and MAME, and consoles slightly less. i am using a custom arcade stick at home for the xbox 360, and that version lets you remap all the buttons along with directions. Man, 200k (i.e 20x extra men) in Defender to me is 'expert' level already lol. I think you reach 100k at around stage 8-10, so 200k around level 15+ but I don't know as I'm not that good I'm not going to go into a deep Defender discussion but with that kind of experience in the game I think you'd be the last person to say that 8-way directional control we've been talking about is no problem.. you lose so much of the control subtlety you get with the original layout.. where you can thrust in bursts (vs. tapping a joystick multiple times in a direction). Also when it gets fast it's not unusual to have your ship 'freeze' when doing rapid reversals using a joystick.. i.e. quickly do a series of left/right flips and then your ship doesn't move forward unless you quickly let go and retap again. It hurts man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynicaster Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 The Defender control layout is teh suck. I just don't understand the thinking here. Maybe it would be OK for those not used to the original controls. But how big of a market is the group of people who will be bothered playing a ruthless game like Defender in 2018, without having prior fondness for it? And of those with said prior fondness, who is going to be OK with that hack-up of the control scheme? It'll be like trying to play Super Mario with a Power Glove. What I've found in my many years of playing MAME is that there is quite a bit of leeway on how the buttons and controllers can be physically arranged on the control panel while still feeling comfortable and intuitive relative to the original control panel. The key is simply to ensure that each hand/finger does the correct function. This, of course, makes it absolutely mandatory (IMO) for any Asteroids or Defender panel worth its salt to have the thrust and fire buttons side-by-side, etc. "But it would have been difficult with the Rampage controls..." Yes, and? Don't mix up Defender and Rampage, then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Rampage goes with Xenophobe, Gorf, Wizard of Wor. NBA JAM and Mortal Kombat if you have the license. Defender, Stargate, Joust, Robotron go together. Bubbles and Sinistar if you insist. There, I fixed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Anyone else thinking that the only reason they made Rampage the headliner on that cab is because of that awful movie that came out this year? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negative1 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 The Defender control layout is teh suck. I just don't understand the thinking here. Maybe it would be OK for those not used to the original controls. But how big of a market is the group of people who will be bothered playing a ruthless game like Defender in 2018, without having prior fondness for it? And of those with said prior fondness, who is going to be OK with that hack-up of the control scheme? It'll be like trying to play Super Mario with a Power Glove. What I've found in my many years of playing MAME is that there is quite a bit of leeway on how the buttons and controllers can be physically arranged on the control panel while still feeling comfortable and intuitive relative to the original control panel. The key is simply to ensure that each hand/finger does the correct function. This, of course, makes it absolutely mandatory (IMO) for any Asteroids or Defender panel worth its salt to have the thrust and fire buttons side-by-side, etc. "But it would have been difficult with the Rampage controls..." Yes, and? Don't mix up Defender and Rampage, then. someone showed a breakdown of the street fighter 2 machine, it's using standard arcade button Controllers and wiring. so, yes, you could probably wire up buttons in parallel, add extra ones, remove some, etc, if you strictly want one player with the proper layout. i doubt any casual players would do that, and i doubt any hardcore defender players will get it either. that said, i'm not that great, and i'm sure i could get used it to it. it's not that hard, when you're not an expert, and i said already, reverse, thrust are already taken care of with the joystick. later -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 i doubt any casual players would do that, and i doubt any hardcore defender players will get it either. that said, i'm not that great, and i'm sure i could get used it to it. Dude you can score 200k. I take people at their word.. and all things being equal, in Defender that's pretty dang good! Not as good as the pros. but still. it's not that hard, when you're not an expert, and i said already, reverse, thrust are already taken care of with the joystick. That's the thing. Defender is a pretty bare bones game by today's standards.. but it's draw is its difficulty, and the fact that it's a game you can keep improving with practice. I'd argue that using 8-way joystick control ruins that entire aspect and makes the impossible to get even "decent" at the game. Not because it dumbs it down per-se, but because it makes it much harder to do finesse ship moves you learn to do naturally with the original controls. But yeah I digress.. bottom line is let's just admit the darn thing is 8-way directional control, like every modern Defender port, which is unfortunate. I'd be curious if they give the option to at least re-configure the controls somewhat (doubt it). Rampage arcade cab had the buttons on top of each other and not side by side which makes it even more unfortunate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negative1 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 here's some short gameplay footage of:--------------------------------------------street fighter 2defenderrampagegauntlet=========================================== street fighter 2 looks ok.defender looks tricky with the new layout.rampage looks cramped.gauntlet is the 2 player rom, there wasn't a 3 player version....later-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Final poll results: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 "Which arcade would you like to see next?" One that doesn't fall a part when you look at it. (OK, I'll admit I'm just giving this thing crap for the sake of it at this point. I'll withhold any further judgement until I actually use one.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Final poll results: arcade1upResults.jpg Golden Tee? Seriously? What kind of mouthbreathing drunkard wants that crap? Did they market this poll exclusively to frat boys and bar patrons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldenWheels Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Well, this mouthbreathing drunkard likes Golden Tee. Odd choice tho....they already made Golden Tee JR style/small size machines. They also made the plug and plays. You'd think the saturation would be covering all needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynicaster Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Golden Tee? Seriously? What kind of mouthbreathing drunkard wants that crap? Did they market this poll exclusively to frat boys and bar patrons? I don't mind Golden Tee but I agree there are a thousand other games I'd prefer. I wonder if they'd have the wherewithal to design the GT trackball control panel such that the mouthbreathing drunkards can haul off and reef on the trackball without smashing their oft-dragged knuckles on the cabinet bezel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I don't mind Golden Tee but I agree there are a thousand other games I'd prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negative1 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) Golden Tee? Seriously? What kind of mouthbreathing drunkard wants that crap? Did they market this poll exclusively to frat boys and bar patrons? so, what game do you prefer. that's not on that list. it was the 3rd lowest in votes, so it's not that popular. they also put big buck hunter there also, and karate champ, which both got even less votes. later -1 Edited August 23, 2018 by negative1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negative1 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 is it me, or does this spinner look kind of big on the deluxe version... later -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) so, what game do you prefer. that's not on that list. How about some more actual popular Golden Era Classic Arcade games like: Pac-Man Ms. Mac-Man Burgertime Q-Bert Pole Position Double Dragon Dig Dug Frogger Popeye Jungle Hunt Kung Fu Master Phoenix Vanguard Spy Hunter Super Cobra Xevious Zaxxon I guess I'm just sick of seeing people ask for awful sports games and 1,000 different variations on the same boring fighting games. SF2 and MK is more than enough. Edited August 23, 2018 by John Stamos Mullet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) is it me, or does this spinner look kind of big on the deluxe version... later -1 Yeah it does.. but then again these are like miniature cabs, so maybe not. Looking at that video you posted earlier, even the SF2 control panel looked pretty compact with the 2 dudes playing it.. but hard to say. I have to see one in front of me to make a judgement really, How about some more actual popular Golden Era Classic Arcade games like: Pac-Man Ms. Mac-Man Burgertime Q-Bert Pole Position Double Dragon Dig Dug Frogger Popeye Jungle Hunt Kung Fu Master Phoenix Vanguard Spy Hunter Super Cobra Xevious Zaxxon Q-Bert would have been an interesting one as that game is one of the standard fails of multi-cabs, and you have to get used to moving the joystick looking at an angle If they'd have a cab with a diagonal joystick that'd be cool.. although I dunno wtf other games would go with it Edited August 23, 2018 by NE146 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I'm thinking a cab with an analog steering wheel, gas and brake pedals with fire buttons on the wheel for: Pole Postion PP II and/or Outrun Paperboy Spy Hunter would be a complete sellout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 How about some more actual popular Golden Era Classic Arcade games like: Pac-Man Ms. Mac-Man Burgertime Q-Bert Pole Position Double Dragon Dig Dug Frogger Popeye Jungle Hunt Kung Fu Master Phoenix Vanguard Spy Hunter Super Cobra Xevious Zaxxon I guess I'm just sick of seeing people ask for awful sports games and 1,000 different variations on the same boring fighting games. SF2 and MK is more than enough. Frogger is out because of the music, unfortunately. A reprogrammed version just wouldn't be the same. I consider a lot of those you mentioned kind of boring as well, just because we've seen them a million times before, but a cabinet with Spy Hunter with proper controls and some additional racing games like Pole Position and Turbo would be exceedingly cool and an instant buy for me. I'd even do without Spy Hunter for a straight up infinite rotation steering wheel that had regular racing games like Pole Position and Turbo, but also games like Super Off Road and Super Sprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Yeah it does.. but then again these are like miniature cabs, so maybe not. Looking at that video you posted earlier, even the SF2 control panel looked pretty compact with the 2 dudes playing it.. but hard to say. I have to see one in front of me to make a judgement really, They posted a video on Facebook yesterday to answer the people complaining about the height discrepancies on the various retailer ads. Dude comes out and pulls out a tape measure to show you the height - except he's 15 feet away from the camera and you obviously can't read the tape - and the guy is like 6 foot 4, so even on the riser, the thing looks 2 feet shorter than he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I consider a lot of those you mentioned kind of boring as well, just because we've seen them a million times before, but a cabinet with Spy Hunter with proper controls and some additional racing games like Pole Position and Turbo would be exceedingly cool and an instant buy for me. I'd even do without Spy Hunter for a straight up infinite rotation steering wheel that had regular racing games like Pole Position and Turbo, but also games like Super Off Road and Super Sprint. I would love to play Spy Hunter with proper controls and an acceleration pedal. I can live without the other old driving games you mention, but it would be wonderful to have Atari Games yoke-control titles like Star Wars (Return of the Jedi, Empire Strikes Back), STUN Runner, Hydra, and Road Blasters. Throw in the SF Rush and Hydro Thunder games and I'd instabuy up to $800. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldenWheels Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I'm thinking a cab with an analog steering wheel, gas and brake pedals with fire buttons on the wheel for: Pole Postion PP II and/or Outrun Paperboy Spy Hunter would be a complete sellout. After the very early reports, I've kept my opinions largely to myself, as I don't like to crap on what people like. Frankly I AM surprised people are actually considering $300 a good deal for what these (apparently) are. These look like overpriced fiberboard toys with (likely) shit controls and nice stickers to me, which doesn't equal $300. Not MY $300 anyway. OTOH.......A driving cab with a heavy duty wheel and pedals and a bunch of good driving games? As the internet says, "Shut up and take my money" (for that matter....how about a quality 2 player light gun cab?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 After the very early reports, I've kept my opinions largely to myself, as I don't like to crap on what people like. Frankly I AM surprised people are actually considering $300 a good deal for what these (apparently) are. These look like overpriced fiberboard toys with (likely) shit controls and nice stickers to me, which doesn't equal $300. Not MY $300 anyway. OTOH.......A driving cab with a heavy duty wheel and pedals and a bunch of good driving games? As the internet says, "Shut up and take my money" (for that matter....how about a quality 2 player light gun cab?) On the contrary, I don't see how $300 is NOT a good deal for these things. They have authentic art/design, licensed games, arcade-like controls (that are standard and easy to swap out for different arcade-like parts should you be so moved), and a dedicated monitor (i.e., not just a TV). That seems like a perfectly reasonable value proposition to me. If they did a driving cab, I doubt it would be heavy duty. It would no doubt be just like these, with a "light duty" wheel and pedals. I'd still very much be down for that at $300, at least with the right mix of games (and assuming no stop points on the wheel itself). In terms of a light gun cab, I don't think I'd want one with a small monitor like these have. I prefer light gun games on a much larger screen and think those are easy enough to enjoy and have a fantatic experience on a regular giant living room TV. In other words, I don't really think a home light gun arcade cabinet makes much sense, at least for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negative1 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 How about some more actual popular Golden Era Classic Arcade games like: Pac-Man Ms. Mac-Man Q-Bert Dig Dug These ones are already under consideration for next year Burgertime data east / g-mode license now, it would be up to them. Pole Position racing game, would be tricky getting the controls right i would think. Double Dragon Jungle Hunt technos / taito license, up to them. Frogger as mentioned, musical issues for licensing. Popeye getting anything out of nintendo, and this license would be a problem Kung Fu Master irem / data east license Phoenix taito / centuri license Vanguard snk /centuri license Spy Hunter bally midway/ willliams license, but complicated controls, used for spyhunter 2 Super Cobra konami / stern license Xevious namco / atari license Zaxxon I guess I'm just sick of seeing people ask for awful sports games and 1,000 different variations on the same boring fighting games. SF2 and MK is more than enough. sega license, controls only good for super zaxxon though. so, out of all the games you mentioned, some are already being considered. others are lesser known titles, and most are one offs, with fixed controls or nonstandard ones, and a few only have use with 1 other game. not really a lot to choose from. later -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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