JagCF last news before the before the launch of final proto.

[Gorf]

...You know what really bothers me? I could have wrote a ton of shit games and sold them

knowing some of the fans here aer just plain willing to buy anything sight unseen. ....

 

yeah a few people would have bought your "shit games" but give more credit to the jag fans...they're not as dumb as you may think. people would know that your games suck, reviews would be bad, and there's no way you'd avoid a 3rd degree in forums like this. you try releasing a terd of games like trevor and see how many you can sell. i bet you won't get far...

 

I'm not arguing the CF anymore, its not worth it.

 

Though on the above, there are incomplete game fragments, demos and/or minigames selling for near $40 new. Go jump on them about it.

 

Phat chance dude. those are heros around here.

[Fredifredo]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

[SubQMod]

Gorf has made it clear what his objections are and I am surprised there is still so much back and forth regarding this. As a developer his concerns are fair enough.

 

What I still find interesting is all this discussion about a product that is not even on the market yet. As a product that appears to still be developing, many arguments, concerns etc have been put forward to the JagCF team and I think they have made it clear what their intentions are. No further arguments, rational or irrational, are going to change things from what I see.

 

*IF* the JagCF ever makes it to a saleable product then I am sure we will go through the weeks, months, years of this continued disagreement.

 

Personally, I will not buy one as I have an Alpine and am going to spend my time writing new dev software for the Jag as BrainStorm do not wish to release the code.

 

 

SQM, it should by now be apparently clear that these guys will do

anything not to work hard or pay for something. I never see this on

any other forum unless there are serious pirating activities going on.

You wont see this nonsense at JSII.

 

Thats why I post more at JSII

[Gorf]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

 

 

Glad I can help. Now how about helping me and you guys take heart to some of

the things I have presented. Im willing to bet a lot that if you JAgware guys work

with us you may very well see an affordable availabel re-release of Battlesphere

ad possibly written to take advantage of the CF's extra power. We have never

lookd to chase you away or discourage your efforts OTHER than to make sure

the rest of us are protected. Im not trying to be a kill joy but more like trying

to find a middle ground. It's great you now are starting to see the need to our

need of protection.

 

My point is it should not have taken two years to tell us you had every intention of adding it.

Again, Use a checksum system so those who want to play roms that no one cares about (how

you determine this is another story) can play them. I dont really care about ROMS that no

one cares or is fine with being public. If the owners dont care, why should I? I only care

about the owners who do care like myself.

 

If the checksum is not present in the CF's checksum table, the game wont run.

The only folks that can upgrade the bitstream are you guys so no one else would be able to

add these but JagwareCF makers. Then we'd know who to blame if there was such copying

and I'd hope at this point you would not be doing such things ifyou are as honest as we

would hope you to be once such a system was in place.

 

New games can then be developed on the CF and no one need to worry about the addition of

checksums and if that need ever did come up, ONLY JAgware should be able to update that.

This way that will keep you guys honest as well.

 

We are all for a solution to this. Go back and see that when I first saw the CF I too was very excited.

No one is looking to cause you trouble but at the same time we want to prevent any for ourselves.

[Pocket]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

 

 

Glad I can help. Now how about helping me and you guys take heart to some of

the things I have presented. Im willing to bet a lot that if you JAgware guys work

with us you may very well see an affordable availabel re-release of Battlesphere

ad possibly written to take advantage of the CF's extra power.

 

Sorry, knowing Thunderbird and having seen him attacking other devs for the last 10 years, this will never happen.

[Gorf]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

 

 

Glad I can help. Now how about helping me and you guys take heart to some of

the things I have presented. Im willing to bet a lot that if you JAgware guys work

with us you may very well see an affordable availabel re-release of Battlesphere

ad possibly written to take advantage of the CF's extra power.

 

Sorry, knowing Thunderbird and having seen him attacking other devs for the last 10 years, this will never happen.

 

 

So it's ok thatyou have resevations about someone due to thier past dealsing but T-bird and I cant?

This is the height of hypocrisy.

[Gorf]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

 

 

Glad I can help. Now how about helping me and you guys take heart to some of

the things I have presented. Im willing to bet a lot that if you JAgware guys work

with us you may very well see an affordable availabel re-release of Battlesphere

ad possibly written to take advantage of the CF's extra power.

 

Sorry, knowing Thunderbird and having seen him attacking other devs for the last 10 years, this will never happen.

 

 

So it's ok thatyou have resevations about someone due to thier past dealsing but T-bird and I cant?

This is the height of hypocrisy.

 

 

And...this only proves futher you guys DO NOT care or respect the other developers who were here

well before you after you of with you if they do not agree with your devices potential. This is and

has been the issue this whole time and it just get more clear you have no intentions of protecting

anyone. Talk is cheap and trust is earned and sometimes impossible to gain if you've already blown

that trust in the past. You guys are doing a bang up job.

[Pocket]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

 

 

Glad I can help. Now how about helping me and you guys take heart to some of

the things I have presented. Im willing to bet a lot that if you JAgware guys work

with us you may very well see an affordable availabel re-release of Battlesphere

ad possibly written to take advantage of the CF's extra power.

 

Sorry, knowing Thunderbird and having seen him attacking other devs for the last 10 years, this will never happen.

 

 

So it's ok thatyou have resevations about someone due to thier past dealsing but T-bird and I cant?

This is the height of hypocrisy.

 

If you compare a product wich hasn't been released and the behaviour of someone during 10 years (not sure I understood correctly), all I can say is that it's not the same thing at all. He will never work with people he is calling liars, criminals, etc. Don't expect Battlesphere on CF, ever.

[Gorf]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

 

 

Glad I can help. Now how about helping me and you guys take heart to some of

the things I have presented. Im willing to bet a lot that if you JAgware guys work

with us you may very well see an affordable availabel re-release of Battlesphere

ad possibly written to take advantage of the CF's extra power.

 

Sorry, knowing Thunderbird and having seen him attacking other devs for the last 10 years, this will never happen.

 

 

So it's ok thatyou have resevations about someone due to thier past dealsing but T-bird and I cant?

This is the height of hypocrisy.

 

If you compare a product wich hasn't been released and the behaviour of someone during 10 years (not sure I understood correctly), all I can say is that it's not the same thing at all. He will never work with people he is calling liars, criminals, etc. Don't expect Battlesphere on CF, ever.

 

 

 

Well you know, abvoiding answering questions pertaining to such activities does not help you look

any less guilty. Now who's spiting the jag fans?

[Pocket]

Congratulation Gorf ! You are the best poster in the JagCF topic

 

 

Glad I can help. Now how about helping me and you guys take heart to some of

the things I have presented. Im willing to bet a lot that if you JAgware guys work

with us you may very well see an affordable availabel re-release of Battlesphere

ad possibly written to take advantage of the CF's extra power.

 

Sorry, knowing Thunderbird and having seen him attacking other devs for the last 10 years, this will never happen.

 

 

So it's ok thatyou have resevations about someone due to thier past dealsing but T-bird and I cant?

This is the height of hypocrisy.

 

If you compare a product wich hasn't been released and the behaviour of someone during 10 years (not sure I understood correctly), all I can say is that it's not the same thing at all. He will never work with people he is calling liars, criminals, etc. Don't expect Battlesphere on CF, ever.

 

 

 

Well you know, abvoiding answering questions pertaining to such activities does not help you look

any less guilty. Now who's spiting the jag fans?

 

Guilty of what ? Telling you are spreading false hopes to Jag fans with a possibility of BS being released on CF, something wich will never happen ? Yes, you can consider I am guilty of that.

[Atariboy]

The other day, he was blaming this device for why there hasn't been a rerelease of that game, despite this device being a fairly recent development.

 

At the end of the day, I think most fail to see the harm in such a device and being able to load commercial rom images into it. The companies don't care, and developers and smaller companies like Rebellion probably find it flattering that people want to play their old games. So despite your best attempts to villianize such people Gorf, I think you'll never accomplish that. And you've failed to say why the Jaguar is any different than any other system in regards to why they've survived and thrived with such development, while it would kill the Jaguar. Technically, what things like AtariAge does by posting rom images here and people here playing old games they've downloaded is legally wrong, but morally, I have no doubt which side is right. Most people are interested in seeing classic systems thrive and be preserved, not restrict and control the users like you want in order to protect your self interest, at the detriment of most Jaguar fans. The interest of the Jaguar scene would be better served with such a device than pleasing your every whim, or hindering the device (Which sadly it appears they just might do, which saves me some money at least) to please a small minority in this community like yourself.

 

And for the last time, no one is interested in pirating your work that would ever of paid you money for whatever it is you want to put together and release.

Edited October 10, 2007 by Atariboy

[Gorf]

The other day, he was blaming this device for why there hasn't been a rerelease of that game, despite this device being a fairly recent development.

 

This decice was annouced at least two years ago at JSII. We'ev had games ready for a bit now.

Kow you facts. You clearly do not here.

 

At the end of the day, I think most fail to see the harm in such a device and being able to load commercial rom images into it.

 

You think most do because you are one of thes same guys. IF you are'nt then why do you do the

same things and defend them? I know you think Im an idiot but wow!

 

The companies don't care, and developers and smaller companies like Rebellion probably find it flattering that people want to play their old games.

 

Some may and some may not. I don't see anything but a lot of aasumption here. You are probably right but

would'nt you feel better to know for sure? I did with Midway. If you dont think these companies care, I got

news for you...don't be suprised if they let that be know soon.

 

So despite your best attempts to villianize such people Gorf, I think you'll never accomplish that. And you've failed to say why the Jaguar is any different than any other system in regards to why they've survived and thrived with such development, while it would kill the Jaguar.

 

I never made the claim it would kill the Jaguar but it would cetainly remove several developers from the scene

if we can't protect our work. Get it right at least. I have brought up plenty of reasons and refuse to for the millionth

time restate them...if you dont pay attention and only read the parts of the post that suit you then fine, dont expect

me to make up for your laziness. It 's clearly stated NUMEROUS times here and sevral other threads.

 

Technically, what things like AtariAge does by posting rom images here and people here playing old games they've downloaded is legally wrong, but morally, I have no doubt which side is right.

 

Talk about a contradiction of terms. Wow! You have no doubt in your own settled mind. Tha is about the size of it.

WouldI hold anyone responsible if I were owner of those older games? Absolutely not! I'd say dl them till your hard

drive explodes if you want butyou know what, they are'nt mine and they certainly are'nt yours do do so without

permission. I have ROM images on my machine but I own the actual games too. I helped the guys in mame to get

the astrocade hardware up and runnignb ecuase I too want to see these games preserved. I really like yourself

agree that these games being this available are probably helping Atari in the long run.

 

There are a many roms that have been ok'ed for DLing and over time im sure you will see more, but when people

are making recent products we have to make sure we don't get screwed even if no one ever does. It's common

sense operation. How do you know we wont some day release these images of ours? Why wont you even give us

the right to decide when if we do indeed to decide when? You guys just come of as if you have it coming to you

and it is incumbant upon me and my partners to code you a game and throw caution to the wind. Even though

you say other wise, your own words, again, betray you.

 

 

Most people are interested in seeing classic systems thrive and be preserved, not restrict and control the users like you want in order to protect your self interest, at the detriment of most Jaguar fans.

 

I never once said I wish to control anyone other than my own interest. Stop exaggerating. How will I not releasing

my games hurt the community if Jagwares device will be so great? Trying to have it both ways I see.

 

I helpd write MAME drivers for ASTROCADE!!!! I want to see these preserved too! I jsut want what is mine

to stay protected. I do not care what you do with other ROMS wher I have no idea what the owners have to say

but for crying out loud, show some respect for those who say otherwise. Sheesh! This over interpretation of

my issues here is just retarded and it sounds like guilty as charged and defensive of things I never even

brought up! Yikes!

 

The interest of the Jaguar scene would be better served with such a device than pleasing your every whim,

 

I really think this is absolute nonsense of you to make this assertion. I have only one wish and that is that my

software cant be copied and ran on this device but though you say you dont want to take my work, it sure sounds

like you want the opportunity. Your owns words betray you.

 

 

or hindering the device (Which sadly it appears they just might do, which saves me some money at least) to please a small minority in this community like yourself.

 

You think we are a small minority but you have nothing to base that on other than this thread.

 

And for the last time, no one is interested in pirating your work that would ever of paid you money for whatever it is you want to put together and release.

 

 

Anyone with eyes reading this nonsense would see otherwise, unless they had no problem

taking things that belong to someone else when those someone esles objected to it.

 

Stop draggin up all this other nonsense becasue it does not rign true to the last few lines of your post here.

[potatohead]

How much does a Jag go for these days? Say one has the A/V cable, Doom, AvP, Tempest 2000, a controller, overlays.

 

Thinking maybe I can sell mine right now, while people are still on the hook by these clowns. This whole, "I'm not releasing, until I get stroked just the right way, repeatedly and regularly" crap is just over the top.

 

I'll be sorry for this post later. I'll take some heat. The point has got to be made. How much guys?

Edited October 10, 2007 by potatohead

[+LS650]

Look on eBay for pricing guestimates. I'd say about $60 or so.

[Albert]

SQM, it should by now be apparently clear that these guys will do

anything not to work hard or pay for something. I never see this on

any other forum unless there are serious pirating activities going on.

You wont see this nonsense at JSII.

I'm tired of your assertion that everyone here on AtariAge is a pirate. That's enough of this topic, and please stay out of any future JagCF threads unless you have something positive to add.

 

..Al