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#1576 godslabrat ONLINE  

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Posted Tue Jun 3, 2014 12:29 PM

If someone made ISOs of all the DC emulators with ROMs intact, slapped it into an SD cart on a loader... that could be a really sweet emulation machine. 



#1577 Greg2600 OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Jun 3, 2014 4:30 PM

So, getting back on topic, here's some news on an option to connect an IDE hard drive to your Dreamcast:  http://www.dc-swat.r...rdware/874.html

 

Dreamshell has been updated to handle the new G1-ATA adapter.  This adapter looks like a very passive solution (I count zero chips), so my guess is the price should be pretty cheap.  This does not require the removal of the GD-ROM.  The use of multiple roms with the Dreamshell menu is a feature we've all been waiting for.

 

Again, credit goes to the amazing retrocollect.com which also has a video of this product in action:  http://www.retrocoll...dreamshell.html

 

First, I've heard that the new Dreamshell was a big improvement, and this seems to be an indication that it is!  Secondly, unfortunately, the G1-ATA which is a fantastic project, is not really mass public ready.  Far too many wires growing out of the DC!  He did mention the PCB from OzOnE, who I've mentioned.  I know he's also been working on some kind of HDD interface in addition to the DCIO.  cybdyn (creator of the PSIO and DCIO) is now working somewhat with another person to get a DC solution working.  As I said earlier, they currently have issues figuring out how to get stuff like CDDA games to work, which Duenan did, but again he won't help them.



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Posted Mon Jun 9, 2014 8:52 PM

Oh and by the way, most of Krikzz product were bootlegged unfortunately. Even the Everdrive N8 started popping up on Chinese whole seller site recently. They have also cloned his Super Everdrive, his Everdrive MD and the Everdrive 64.


That SUCKS. I've been burned with CHINESE BOOTLEG flashcarts for GBA and DS, and they are crap that quits after a short time.  Even if you HAVE EXCESS MONEY and "just want the shit," the Chinese Bootleggers ruin the scene because you can't ever be sure you're not getting screwed with some *totally* substandard knock-off piece of shit, no matter what you are willing to pay.

I'm glad I bought all my Everdrives from Stoneage Gamer, who is a hell of a nice guy, as well as a true professional who buys from Krikzz directly (and puts some nice finishing touches on, I must say).  (SA Gamer did not give me a discount for saying that, as much as I'd like it!!!)  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



#1579 Greg2600 OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Jun 9, 2014 9:16 PM

As long as you buy from one of Krikzz's official sellers you'll be fine. 



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Posted Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:09 PM

Hey, just to give you all a heads-up, the Astrocade UltiMulti by Ken Lil will no longer be available after the 4th of July. I'm about to order mine and recommend anyone who wants one do so too while you still can.



#1581 Greg2600 OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:12 PM

Potential further adaptations of the GD-EMU.

 

http://gdemu.wordpre...-on-the-carpet/



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Posted Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:13 PM

Potential further adaptations of the GD-EMU.

 

http://gdemu.wordpre...-on-the-carpet/

I do believe that's a Saturn.  That would be amazing.  I was worried the Saturn wouldn't get any love.

 

Edit:  Wait does that mean he's planning on hitting the TurboGrafx CD as well?  Wow.


Edited by PsychedelicShaman, Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:17 PM.


#1583 Greg2600 OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:38 PM

There is a Saturn project from China which involves I think a PCB inserted into the cart slot. 

 

http://www.sarooo.com/



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Posted Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:52 PM

The Coleco ADAM Computer IDE CF Card has been updated by MicroFox Technologies and now is available with a Double CF Adapter and two CF Cards that total 100Mb (CF Card #1 is 60Mb and CF Card #2 is 40Mb). If you are a current owner of the older 60Mb version, you can upgrade to this new 100Mb version for only $15, otherwise it will cost $80 for the complete setup which includes an ADAM IDE Interface Card that plugs into Expansion Slot #3.

 

Go hear to read the full description and to order: http://ann.hollowdreams.com/ and then click on the "A.N.N. Catalog (US)" link for the products page.

 

I just uploaded my backup image files of the CF Cards that add a lot of software and rom images, so checkout this thread in the CV & ADAM Forum for all the info: http://atariage.com/...for-adam/page-1



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Posted Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:50 AM

There is a Saturn project from China which involves I think a PCB inserted into the cart slot. 

 

http://www.sarooo.com/

 

Since "turnabout is fair play," perhaps someone (maybe even some other Chinese) will clone that sucker!!!!!



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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:08 AM

My biggest complaints with the GD-EMU are as follows:

1. Lack of professionalism. I can understand the whole "it's a hobby, not a business". But, that's my attitude on my modding work, such as my PS2 stuff, my MAME Cabinet builds, and my Video Transferring. Yet, I try to treat everyone with respect, because when it comes to potential customers, snarkiness doesn't get sales.  Were there a few times I fucked up in the past? Yes. But, those were more miscommunications rather than anything else and when I got on the same page, everything was fixed. I just don't see that kind of confidence in him. 

2. Lack of teamwork. As seen on this page, fellow Atari Age members have offered to get people to help him get his product widely distributed and maybe even improved. He DOESN'T know everything about the DC and this GD-EMU as expensive as it is, is pretty much just a beta product he's selling for full price. If would've accepted our help, he could've had an improved product with even better compatibility, cheaper price, and higher profit for himself and others. But, it appears that we will not be getting that.

3. Lack of proper channels of communication. As some would know on here, I'm a HUGE Dreamcast nut to the point I can even replace a broken controller port or disc drive with relative ease. I would've loved to get my hands on this as it would allow me to play actual GD rips on here. But, there was no email to reach him to get on a list. Looking at this thread and his response on his page, I'm glad I didn't. 

4. Lack of region support. As most people in the Dreamcast scene can tell you, it's VERY EASY to make a game from another region work on your Dreamcast of choice. Hell, even Dreamshell lets you. His excuse for not including region free(he claimed that since it copies a Dreamcast drive directly, it cannot play other regions) is complete horse shit. We live in an age where almost any person can patch a GDI or change its boot file to that of another region. Why he CHOSE not to implement it, I don't know, but it's pretty much the ONLY reason anyone would buy a device like this one. 

So, those are the biggest problems facing this unit. Hopefully, he'll wise up and fix them. Perhaps even implement an update feature so he doesn't have to constantly buy new parts. He can update what he has. If he plans on ODE's for the Saturn and PC Engine, he'd be wise to implement this before anything else. If this was truly a "hobby", why would he have plans to make more ODE's? Sounds like a business to me, don't you?



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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:06 AM

So, I actually found the guy's email when thumbing through the comments and posted this along with some helpful advice on where to turn if he decided to actually take the project and make it mass as Ikari01 did with the SD2SNES, because I can understand his position and where he's coming from, but I also see the potential in this project and wished to help in some way by being more the voice of reason and to also take some of the customer service inquiries off his hands.

This was his response:

You people just don't know when to quit, do you. Well, let's get on
with it then.

1. Lack of professionalism.

What professionalism? Which part of "hobby, not a business" confused
you? Because I don't think I can make it any simpler.
You don't like me, my attitude, or my terms? You don't deal with me.
Everyone's happy. How about that.

2. Lack of teamwork.

This could be because it's my project and not a team effort. And that
"team" you speak of, what is it? Surely you don't mean a bunch of
random ideas from random people on internet forums? People who never
once did anything like that in their lives, and mostly lack the
required knowledge (hell, even basic one as it turns out) to form a
valuable opinion. But that doesn't stop them from having "great
ideas". Or constructive criticism.

My product could've been so great. Improved. Cheap. Compatible. I
could've been a millionaire by now. Alas, you won't help me now, so
I'm going to laug... I mean go cry in a corner. I'm sure your GD-ROM
emulator will be way better. You have a team of specialists after all.

3. Lack of proper channels of communication.

And yet you've managed to email me. Wonders never cease. Did you have
to click with your mouse? You poor thing, all that work...

I'm glad I didn't.

You and me both. If there is one thing we can ever agree on, it's
that. Do me a favour and never, ever buy any of my products.

4. Lack of region support.

Tell you what Mr "I know Dreamcast better than he does", go make San
Francisco RUSH 2049, US version, work on PAL console. Then we can
discuss which one of us is full of what shit, and why.

it's pretty much the ONLY reason anyone would buy a device like this one.

I guess I must've imagined all those people buying GDEMU, that shoddy,
overpriced junk. As well as those still patiently waiting for their
chance to get one.

Hopefully, he'll wise up and fix them.

Hm... How about no. Just to spite you.

Perhaps even implement an update feature so he doesn't have
to constantly buy new parts. He can update what he has.

An... update... for the parts? Well now, if that isn't a brilliant
idea. People would just download a faster CPU, or a better connector,
or a revised PCB once it is available. Now why didn't I think about
it... Did you and your team of specialists come up with that?

Surely you don't mean software? Because that's already available in
every GDEMU unit sold, it's called firmware update. Something you'd
know had you read any of my pages. But I suppose constructive
criticism requires you to be properly ignorant of the things that
actually matter to my customers.

Call me whatever you wish, but this is how I see it, looking at it from both
sides

Starts with "I", ends with "t". By the way, what "both" sides would
that be? Yours and... yours? Or did you mean your team? I keep
forgetting you have a team.

What I'm simply trying to do is help you

It was fun, I had a good laugh. Please help me some more.

D.


Normally, I'd probably respond and go off on him, but I'm just going to post this here and let his douchebaggery speak for itself.

I appreciate his efforts, but if this is how he's going to act, then we'd be better off without him. For those who are waiting for this, I'd seriously reconsider. Someone is going to reverse engineer this and make it better.

BTW, nowhere did I mention I had a "team". I was originally on the SD2SNES list before Krikzz took over and had frequent talks and updates from Ikari on the project and mentioned the similarities as they were both independent projects. Secondly, I referred him to talk to both Krikzz to see if maybe he can help since he understands system workings and stability and comradesnarky who heads the ReviveDC project since GDI's are his thing and if it weren't for his team, we would not have such high quality rips. I've been in the Dreamcast scene since the beginning. This seems like just a guy who had an idea one day and decided to make it. It is like in The Breakfast Club where the janitor talks to Mr. Vernon. He planned on having a product and money. But when he realized that it meant actual WORK, he lost it.

I just wanted to put this out there for everyone to see. As for the situation that started this, I think both are at fault. The guy who posted here for not doing his research(FAT32 limitations are common knowledge for anyone who uses an SD card, especially with Android tablets) and insisting he was right and this guy for his snarky attitude.

All in all, I'm VERY disappointed in this project and it's creator. This GDEMU could've really been something....if the guy would stop being a douchebag for five minutes and realize that all were trying to do is help another developer.....

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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:59 AM

Hey, just to give you all a heads-up, the Astrocade UltiMulti by Ken Lil will no longer be available after the 4th of July. I'm about to order mine and recommend anyone who wants one do so too while you still can.

Where can I order one?



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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:04 PM

Where can I order one?


Just Ken Lil directly- his email is on the first page of this thread under Astrocade multicarts. He's pretty responsive :)

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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:09 PM

Okay ;3 Thanks you!



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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:27 PM

Another round of Deunan's GDEMU orders will open up on July 1.

 

You can read about it here:

 

http://gdemu.wordpre...for-punishment/

 

 

Oh, and for anyone concerned about ordering from him based on recent posts - I wouldn't be worried.

 

He is incredibly business-like, professional, and to the point - provided that you are the same.  He has answered multiple emails from me (I see around 10 in my thread with him) regarding a variety of ordering and technical questions, and each reply was courteously and completely answered within less than a day.

 

Everything was shipped well-packaged, with tracking, and arrived safely.  The device is fantastic, if you are comfortable with and understand the precise specifications he clearly provides on his website.  Perfect disc emulation at more than twice the native speed in most situations, and without the grinding noise of the GD-ROM.  I couldn't be happier.

 

I wouldn't hesitate to do business with him.  10/10, would use teh Internetz again. ;)

 

-a2a

 

 



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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:17 PM

So, I actually found the guy's email when thumbing through the comments and posted this along with some helpful advice on where to turn if he decided to actually take the project and make it mass as Ikari01 did with the SD2SNES, because I can understand his position and where he's coming from, but I also see the potential in this project and wished to help in some way by being more the voice of reason and to also take some of the customer service inquiries off his hands.

This was his response:

You people just don't know when to quit, do you. Well, let's get on
with it then.

1. Lack of professionalism.

What professionalism? Which part of "hobby, not a business" confused
you? Because I don't think I can make it any simpler.
You don't like me, my attitude, or my terms? You don't deal with me.
Everyone's happy. How about that.

2. Lack of teamwork.

This could be because it's my project and not a team effort. And that
"team" you speak of, what is it? Surely you don't mean a bunch of
random ideas from random people on internet forums? People who never
once did anything like that in their lives, and mostly lack the
required knowledge (hell, even basic one as it turns out) to form a
valuable opinion. But that doesn't stop them from having "great
ideas". Or constructive criticism.

My product could've been so great. Improved. Cheap. Compatible. I
could've been a millionaire by now. Alas, you won't help me now, so
I'm going to laug... I mean go cry in a corner. I'm sure your GD-ROM
emulator will be way better. You have a team of specialists after all.

3. Lack of proper channels of communication.

And yet you've managed to email me. Wonders never cease. Did you have
to click with your mouse? You poor thing, all that work...

I'm glad I didn't.

You and me both. If there is one thing we can ever agree on, it's
that. Do me a favour and never, ever buy any of my products.

4. Lack of region support.

Tell you what Mr "I know Dreamcast better than he does", go make San
Francisco RUSH 2049, US version, work on PAL console. Then we can
discuss which one of us is full of what shit, and why.

it's pretty much the ONLY reason anyone would buy a device like this one.

I guess I must've imagined all those people buying GDEMU, that shoddy,
overpriced junk. As well as those still patiently waiting for their
chance to get one.

Hopefully, he'll wise up and fix them.

Hm... How about no. Just to spite you.

Perhaps even implement an update feature so he doesn't have
to constantly buy new parts. He can update what he has.

An... update... for the parts? Well now, if that isn't a brilliant
idea. People would just download a faster CPU, or a better connector,
or a revised PCB once it is available. Now why didn't I think about
it... Did you and your team of specialists come up with that?

Surely you don't mean software? Because that's already available in
every GDEMU unit sold, it's called firmware update. Something you'd
know had you read any of my pages. But I suppose constructive
criticism requires you to be properly ignorant of the things that
actually matter to my customers.

Call me whatever you wish, but this is how I see it, looking at it from both
sides

Starts with "I", ends with "t". By the way, what "both" sides would
that be? Yours and... yours? Or did you mean your team? I keep
forgetting you have a team.

What I'm simply trying to do is help you

It was fun, I had a good laugh. Please help me some more.

D.


Normally, I'd probably respond and go off on him, but I'm just going to post this here and let his douchebaggery speak for itself.

I appreciate his efforts, but if this is how he's going to act, then we'd be better off without him. For those who are waiting for this, I'd seriously reconsider. Someone is going to reverse engineer this and make it better.

BTW, nowhere did I mention I had a "team". I was originally on the SD2SNES list before Krikzz took over and had frequent talks and updates from Ikari on the project and mentioned the similarities as they were both independent projects. Secondly, I referred him to talk to both Krikzz to see if maybe he can help since he understands system workings and stability and comradesnarky who heads the ReviveDC project since GDI's are his thing and if it weren't for his team, we would not have such high quality rips. I've been in the Dreamcast scene since the beginning. This seems like just a guy who had an idea one day and decided to make it. It is like in The Breakfast Club where the janitor talks to Mr. Vernon. He planned on having a product and money. But when he realized that it meant actual WORK, he lost it.

I just wanted to put this out there for everyone to see. As for the situation that started this, I think both are at fault. The guy who posted here for not doing his research(FAT32 limitations are common knowledge for anyone who uses an SD card, especially with Android tablets) and insisting he was right and this guy for his snarky attitude.

All in all, I'm VERY disappointed in this project and it's creator. This GDEMU could've really been something....if the guy would stop being a douchebag for five minutes and realize that all were trying to do is help another developer.....

 

uh oh,,,  https://www.youtube....h?v=kNwbjcuQUv8



#1593 JohnnyBlaze OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:15 PM

Hey, I'd rather deal with someone who actually backs their product and takes feedback for improvement, such as Krikzz rather than dealing with a "hobbyist" who basically sells you a $200 beta.

One more thing I failed to mention that came to me. When I meant about "update", was that instead of him constantly changing the chipset, he could've just stuck with a single chipset and just updating that. What's eventually going to happen(if he makes it that far) is he's going to release a software update that is incompatible with earlier revisions and therefore render the unit useless. Won't be on purpose, but it will happen because he'll be writing for a different set than what he has. Instead of shipping people constantly changing revisions, he should've waited to finalize a central design THEN manufacture the unit.

Mark, no disrespect, but you kinda were wrong on the computer aspects. The stubbornness when we tried telling you different, may have blown this up(you're on his front page after all), but it had the additional side effect of letting us see the guy's true intentions and true colors. He's not in this for the community. He's in this for himself and his money. GODFORBID, you try and tell him differently because he thinks he's God and we should suck up to him. I've only been repairing Dreamcast drives and ports, as well as being a part of the "scene" since 2002. But, I don't know how a Dreamcast works. Sure. So, in a way, we should be thanking you. We wouldn't have seen this side otherwise. What's done is done. He wants to be a douche. Let him shove his ODE up his ass. I can't wait to read about the heat related bricks or the ones who can't update because of the chipset change. All I know is that with my mod work, I always try and go above and beyond. I'm not in anything for the money. I'm in it to save systems.

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Posted Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:53 AM

I am not Deunan, nor am I a friend of him of whatever. I bought one unit from him and that's mostly all the talk I had with him. My aim here is to understand your complaints, because I don't really think you got the point but that may be a misunderstanding.

 

As such, I will go one point at a time.

 

1. Lack of professionalism.

So far, for his first public project, I think he did very well. He was clear about things, have been very transparent and has always explained why he did the things the way he did them. The few e-mails I exchanged with him were polite and nice. Overall, I have the image of a serious guy and he has been professional so far. Anyway, I don't think that's an important point; he did something that nobody else did so far and that alone is more pro than all other DC modders.

 

2. Lack of teamwork.

We live in a free world. At least, I live in a free one, but your mileage may vary according to your geographic location and beliefs and kinks.

Being free means that I can do my stuff alone or in a team; my choice. Forcing someone to be part of a team when he doesn't want to is not freedom, it's socialism at best, communism at worst. It's a spoiled child attitude: "I want the thing he doesn't have and I want it on my terms and I will cry and curse if I don't get it." That's currently what you seem to be doing there.

As for the improvement and help, there is clearly a lack of information on your side.

First, following the project for years, GD-EMU has came through many iterations before being publicly sold. It's not anymore a beta, it's a fully working product  that does exactly what the advert say it does. No more but no less, which is way more than many commercial products sold by Fortune 500 companies that you buy without complaining. But, as usual, David is less impressive than Goliath...

Second, how could you help him? This offer for help appear more as a rip off — let me use your project and I will make money of your work — than real help. Because, let's be serious: Deunan has made a working Dreamcast emu and a working GD-ROM emu. He is so far the only one known person in the world to have successfully done both of that. There are other attempts, but nothing fully working so far.

Meanwhile, many people come bullshitting him about technical aspects they don't have a clue about. That doesn't help at all and is, indeed, a reason to remain alone on the project, because releasing GD-EMU instantly turns you as a honeypot for trouble. If I was Deunan, I would see any help offer as a Chinese attempt to rip off, like you can see everyday on the modding market. Especially when you don't have credentials and still you tell him that things are wrong with his work. Sorry, that's not professional, that's childish.


3. Lack of proper channels of communication.

Replacing a DC's controller port. Wow! I'm impressed. Not. Everyone can do that. That's fucking simple. A child can do it. A blind child could do it. Sorry, but that's just a joke to brag about being able to do that. Man, come again bragging when you will be able to design your own GD-EMU based on your sole knowledge. Then, you will be a "HUGE Dreamcast nut".

Anyway, Deunan can be easily reached, especially since you found his e-mail, which is publicly disclose very easily, especially since all preorders are made through his e-mail...

 

4. Lack of region support.

Here comes why you are not a "HUGE Dremacast nut" and why you can't help him. I don't mean to be rude, but you totally show a lack of understanding.

First, GD-EMU is a GD-ROM emulator, which means it is meant to replace the original GD-ROM unit with a SD unit that will work exactly like the GD-ROM unit (excepted from faster boot times, but we won't complain, will we?).

Second, the original GD-ROM unit doesn't interfere on the disc region. In fact, it has nothing to do with the disc region and it doesn't care about it, it just passes the information contained in the disc to the Dreamcast internal chips which then decide what to do with it. So basically, we have to way to bypass region: either though hardware (using a BIOS mod) or software (using a disc, like Utopia or Dreamshell, that will patch on the fly the region information that is given to the Dreamcast internal chips).

What does it tell us? It tells us that the GD-ROM is never and has never had an actual role to region by-passing. And since GD-EMU is only a GD-ROM replacement, it is not mandatory for it to have it and it shouldn't be automatic.

Why? Because, first, many people already have modded DC, using various methods (mine is a Sakura Taisen unit, with region free BIOS, debug BIOS intro, scanlines 3-way switch and VGA + audio through USB), and having two region bypass together could be a source of problems, depending on how the modding is done.

Then, GD-EMU can boot Dreamshell and do the region bypass if your Dreamcast is not modded. You can even try with Utopia. It works, because GD-EMU works like a real GD-ROM unit. And Deunan is still the only who publicly achieved it so far.

Also, as a matter of fact, Deunan is working on a menu and even publicly said that a region bypass option in the menu was an easy thing and that he might do it. And guess what? Because of an actual feedback made to him, using polite words; talk about not supporting the product! You want to be heard? First, do your math and come with an actual and serious demand and, most of all, don't be agressive like you are.

But still, the region bypass wouldn't be a magic trick. Some games don't work correctly when region patched, and it's not a region bypassing method problem, and a problem about how the game was programmed, just like the VGA mode; not all games respond correctly to it, just look at Bangaio. For these problematic games to work, it would need a complete reprogramming of them; meanwhile, many clueless people would complain about the patch not working for all games and anyone having experience with dealing with customers knows that explaining why over and over will never satisfy the said customers. So, by leaving it alone, Deunan avoid a lot of unnecessary problems and I think it is a smart move from him. BTW, he already has issued a firmware update, so you can't really say he's not working seriously on GD-EMU.

Then, if you were here for the hobby, you would grow quickly bored working on the thing you master and that is basically done. A real hacker like new challenges and that basically is what Saturn and PC Engine offers. Do you always play the same level of the same game? I highly doubt it.

 

In the end, what's happening is that:

1. You are useless to the community (many enough people can do more than you in a way that you can die right now, things will still be done).

2. Deunan has wrote a working DC emulator and gave it to people for free and he has also made a GD-ROM replacement unit that he decided to sell so that others can enjoy it. And he's the only one having a working publicly available product.

I guess the point is made. The one with the stuffed ass is you, because all you have are your complain while Deunan and it's happy customers have a future-proof Dreamcast. Still, I wish you good luck.



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Posted Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:48 AM

I am not Deunan, nor am I a friend of him of whatever. I bought one unit from him and that's mostly all the talk I had with him. My aim here is to understand your complaints, because I don't really think you got the point but that may be a misunderstanding.

 
Well, not sure why you felt it necessary to go through all 4 points AGAIN considering Deunan himself already did that. You CLAIM not to be associated with Deunan other then being a customer of his AND YET you come off as if you are now speaking for him / representing him. Your entire post is so condescending and insulting it would not surprise me if you WERE Deunan. You come here, a stranger to the community and make your very first post here in defense of Deunan ? You felt the need to go over what he said once again but giving your own opinion and interpretation on it? Then after your great wall of text insult other members here? Sorry, but ending your post with "Still, I wish you good luck." does not excuse your behavior or attitude. Your statements change NOTHING already to do with Deunan's replies, they have ALREADY been discussed and clearly some are not happy with his attitude or the way he chose to respond already, just because YOU choose to interpret it differently or take his side means nothing. Now, if you would have simply said why you disagreed with others assessment, convey your satisfying experience then fine, but coming here for the sole purpose of defending someone and insulting established members here means you are not going to be taken seriously at all. Still, "I wish you good luck."  :roll:


Edited by OldSchoolRetroGamer, Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:55 AM.


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Posted Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:21 AM

Simply because being not (rather than "NOT"; caps are for yelling) involved with both parties, I can add a neutral point of view, something which was missing from the debate. The world is not binary, only digital —and thus, limited— systems are.



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Posted Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:26 AM

Simply because being not (rather than "NOT"; caps are for yelling) involved with both parties, I can add a neutral point of view, something which was missing from the debate. The world is not binary, only digital —and thus, limited— systems are.

Could you of added that neutral point of view without the attitude, belittling other members here who do not share the same opinion? Apparently not. I would think someone claiming to be giving a neutral point of view could refrain from insults, this is why your post and claims do not come off as genuine or sincere. Not a very smart course of action especially for someone new to this community. 


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Posted Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:29 AM

Opinions are to be belittled while arguments aren't; he used opinions while I used arguments.



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Posted Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:34 AM

Opinions are to be belittled while arguments aren't; he used opinions while I used arguments.

 

You used arguments presented in a very demeaning and insulting way taking a lot of credibility from your argument. Again, not a smart or effective way if you are wanting anyone here to take you seriously. 



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Posted Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:59 AM

I don't believe I have been demeaning and insulting and I can say for sure it wasn't my attention. I don't mean to insult anyone, although I don't mind pushing the arguments and I also don't mind someone pushing his arguments against me. Then, the frontier between push someone and hurting someone vary from one individual to another and if there is one thing that causes democracy to die is to care about people feeling hurt when pushed, because then, everybody says he was hurt and we can't argue anymore; that results in a dead end.

 

If someone think I treated him an idiot, he's welcome to prove me wrong. When I am proven wrong, I don't feel like I lost, but like I learned something, which is always a win.

 

As such, rather than trying to attack me on my way to say things, prove that my arguments are wrong and admit they are right (either is good ), that will be a better subject than comparing opinions about what can considered harsh talk or not.






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