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#1 Marsupilami OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:12 AM

Hi,
I'm trying to find if there is a link between the serial numbers and the Secam/NTSC/PAL standards. That could be useful for example when you buy a 800 XL on ebay, just to be sure you're buying what you're looking for.
Some of them comes from a french website

800XL

NTSC
7YJ HA 3647524 - (Atari/Warner made in Hong-Kong) - hunmanik
7YJ HA 4029134
7YJ HA 97921 144 - (Atari/Warner made in Hong Kong) - Christophero Sly

72RHA 008718 (114) - (Atari/Warner made in Taiwan) - hunmanik
72RHA 085837 (224) - (Atari/Warner made in Taiwan) - hunmanik

72RHA 076908 (D-344) - (made in Taiwan) - Sikor
72RHA 213491 (D-464) - (Atari made in Taiwan) - Marsupilami

83AHA 01864 (473) - (made in Hong Kong) - a8isa1
83AHA 17336 (503) - (made in Hong Kong) - Athleos

SECAM
84 ATS 04006 (S 125) - www.atarimania.com
84 ATS 12580 (S 464) - Marsupilami
84 ATS 18088 (S 454)
84 ATS 24588 (S 454) - Marsupilami
84 ATS 25600 (S 454)
84 ATS 25872 (S 454)
84 ATS 32524 (S 035) - Marsupilami
84 ATS 34507 (? ???) - atari-passion
84 ATS 40006 (? ???)
84 ATS 48211 (S 155)

PAL
83AHA 34103 513 (PAL to be confirmed) - bf2k+
83AHA 11592 493 (made in hongkong) - "converted to PAL" - sup8pdct

83AHU 21851 164

83AHP 11367 (084) - (made in HongKong) - sup8pdct
83AHP 13572 (084) - (made in Hong Kong) - sup8pdct
83AHP 13877 (084) - (Atari/Warner made in Hong Kong) - pepax
83AHP 13911 (084) - (Atari/Warner made in Hong Kong) - Rybags

?????? AT 8439429 (B-394) - (made in Taiwan) - Sikor
?????? AT 8461554 (? ????) - atari-passion
?????? AT 8482898 (B-404) - (Atari/Warner made in Taiwan) - myker

72R3CG AT 8423119 (B045) - (Atari Made in Taiwan) - Bunsen
72R3CG AT 8426404 (B-374) - (Atari/Warner Made in Taiwan) - Bunsen
72R3CG AT 8437070 (B-394) - (Atari/Warner made in Taiwan) - Marsupilami
72R3CG AT 8438771 (B-394) - (Atari/Warner made in Taiwan) - e bay
72R3CG AT 8472444 (B-384) - (made in Taiwan) - Sikor
72R3CG AT 84160764 (B 474) - (Atari Made in Taiwan) - Bunsen
72R3CG AT 84172013 (B 125) - (made in Taiwan) - Sikor
72R3CG AT 84196194 (B446) - (Atari/Warner Made in Taiwan) - Bunsen

the last letter before the numeric sequence seems to have meaning, but possibly not in other cases.
P - PAL
S - Secam
A - America (?)
U - United Kingdom


This post is for 800 XL only.

Edited by Marsupilami, Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:57 PM.


#2 Rybags OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:29 AM

My 800XL (Australia, PAL, made in Hong Kong)

83 AHP 13911 084

Guess the first 2 characters are probably the year, although I bought mine just after mid-1984.

#3 hunmanik OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:31 AM

800XL NTSC
Atari/Warner
72RHA 085837 224 (224 is blue)
Taiwan
(white label)

800XL NTSC
Atari/Warner
7YJ HA 3647524
Hong Kong
(black label)

800XL NTSC
Atari/Warner
72RHA 008718 114 (114 is blue)
Taiwan
(white label)

#4 miker OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:49 PM

On my 800XL i've found the following:

72R3CG AT8482898 B-404

It's in PAL and made in Taiwan (signed by Atari/Warner, too).

Edited by miker, Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:51 PM.


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Posted Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:17 PM

I've got an 800XL here serial # 83AHA 34103-513

It has no display hooked to my NTSC monitor.

I am wondering if it might be a PAL machine. Any ideas based on the serial #??

#6 Rybags OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:49 PM

Hard to say. Atari's PAL stuff often has a little PAL label plastered on as an afterthought but they could come off easily enough.

On most of the 800XLs listed so far, the last letter before the numeric sequence seems to have meaning, but possibly not in other cases.
P - PAL, S - Secam, A - America (?), U - ???

#7 atari-passion OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:28 AM

Hello,

my french computer atari 800xl :

- secam : 84 ATS 34507
- PAL : AT 8461554

A+
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#8 www.atarimania.com OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:48 AM

U would be United Kingdom. That PAL model is mine and it still has a tiny blue "UK" sticker.

Addendum... The label for one of the SECAM models listed above actually says 84-ATS-40006-S125.

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Edited by www.atarimania.com, Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:57 AM.


#9 Marsupilami OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:49 AM

Hello all,
Thanks for you replies, i've updated the first post.
Could someone post a picture of the rear of your pal/ntcs/secam XL just to help the others to recognise their Atari standards ?
I'll add your pictures to the first post.
regards,
Marsup.

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Posted Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:02 PM

Hello all,
Thanks for you replies, i've updated the first post.
Could someone post a picture of the rear of your pal/ntcs/secam XL just to help the others to recognise their Atari standards ?
I'll add your pictures to the first post.
regards,
Marsup.


Before I re-read your note, I thought you wanted pictures of the label where the serial number is.

But I guess you really want photos of the back of the machines?

Sorry, I actually don't have a digital camera. But as long as I made these scans, here are scans of the bottom of my 3 NTSC 800XLs as previously reported.

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  • 800xl_ntsc_1.jpg
  • 800xl_ntsc_2.jpg
  • 800xl_ntsc_3.jpg


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Posted Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:52 AM

I don't feel like typing too much right now.... :)

img001.jpg
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The almost invisible number is IMHO 2135.

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img007.jpg

All PAL (I hope :)).

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Posted Fri Oct 3, 2008 8:17 AM

One more added:
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#13 Marsupilami OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:02 PM

Ok guys, you're really lazy :)
Just found this 800XL on ebay (PAL):
PAL_Ebay.jpg

Firts Post updated

Edited by Marsupilami, Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:46 AM.


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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:30 AM

83AHA 11592493 made in hongkong different shaped sticker compared to the other 2. Just discovered it has been converted to PAL
83AHP 13572084 Made in Hong Kong.
83AHP 11367084 Made in HongKong

all PAL for Australia

james

Edited by sup8pdct, Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:27 AM.


#15 a8isa1 OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:41 AM

NTSC 800XL
83AHA 01864 473
Made in Hong Kong


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#16 Marsupilami OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:37 AM

NTSC 800XL
83AHA 01864 473
Made in Hong Kong

Hum...Strange because all the "83AHA" we have are PAL...

#17 Marsupilami OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:38 AM

83AHA 11592493 made in hongkong different shaped sticker compared to the other 2. Just discovered it has been converted to PAL


Hum...What do you mean exactly by "converted to PAL" ?

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:54 AM

7YJ HA 97921 144
Atari, Inc. / Warner
Hong Kong
NTSC

#19 Marsupilami OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:54 AM

7YJ HA 97921 144
Atari, Inc. / Warner
Hong Kong
NTSC


Added, thanks. (strange number too: 1 more number than the other "7YJHA3)...

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:20 AM

O.K. My 800XL machines:
72R3CG AT84172013 B125 B125 Made in Taiwan, PAL
72R3CG AT8472444 B-384, made in Taiwan, PAL
(this time not all number - label defected): AT8439429 B-394, made in Taiwan, PAL
72RHA 076908 D-344, made in Taiwan, NTSC

Edited by Sikor, Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:22 AM.


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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:58 PM

i have an NTSC machine:
Atari 800XL
FCC ID: BPA83A800
MADE IN HONG KONG

Serial No.
83AHA 17336 503

#22 Marsupilami OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:24 PM

Added too, thanks guys !

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Posted Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:21 PM

Here we go:

800XL:
72R3CG AT84196194 (B446) Made in Taiwan, PAL, Atari/Warner
72R3CG AT8426404 (B-374) Made in Taiwan, PAL, Atari/Warner
72R3CG AT8423119 (B045) Made in Taiwan, PAL, Atari
72R3CG AT84160764 (B 474) Made in Taiwan, PAL, Atari

All sold in Germany

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Posted Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:24 AM

83AHA 11592493 made in hongkong different shaped sticker compared to the other 2. Just discovered it has been converted to PAL


Hum...What do you mean exactly by "converted to PAL" ?


It was a different video standard and now it is PAL.
Judging from the serial numbers I would say it was a NTSC.
Reason would say that this NTSC machine was converted to PAL.

All the soldering around the Modulator, different style of chip socket for the pal colour clock, solder work around all the colour clock circuit, all points to the conversion being done.

James

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Posted Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:50 PM

Here we go:
800XL:
[...]
All sold in Germany

Added, thanks Bunsen




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