+Mitch Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Awesome, I'm glad at least one of them worked out. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I just looked and my monitor with no sound is actually a 1701 not a 1702. What's the difference? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 The 1701 is used on the Enterprise. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 The 1701 is used on the Enterprise. ..Al Revision D of that monitor was also the best revision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I just looked and my monitor with no sound is actually a 1701 not a 1702. What's the difference? Tempest Commodore was really weird with their monitor model numbers. I think that the 1701 was made by a different manufacturer. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 Someone loaned me a 1701 to use at a show recently and I couldn't see any discernible difference and it has the same inputs front and back. Certainly the 1702 is much more common. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 4, 2010 Author Share Posted April 4, 2010 Okay, now have three being shipped to me, five on hand, and will be paying for another three later today, for a total of 11 thus far. Perhaps 15 will be a good number.. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 I received two 1702 monitors from the same eBay seller that are both in piss poor condition compared to the auction description. One has plastic lines on the face of the monitor (stickers) to break up the screen into four quadrants--probably for a security monitor, video production work or something along those lines. The other one, which I just opened this morning, is smashed on one corner and the plastic bevel is cracked badly. Even if it works, it's not something I want to use for my purposes. The first one, assuming it works, I should be able to clean up. Haven't tried either monitor yet, but I will be taking pictures and sending them to the seller demanding at least a partial refund. Will post the pictures here when I take them sometime today. The monitors I've gotten from AtariAge members have been packaged more carefully and are in much better condition overall. I have three more on the way from an AtariAge member, which will bring the total to 10 (not including the one the damaged 1702). Still looking for more. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 Here are pictures of the two Commodore 1702s I received from a single seller on eBay. One was sent via UPS and the other was sent via USPS Media Mail. I'm amazed that my local post office didn't open the Media Mail package and demand postage due. The actual auction only showed one monitor (the seller was selling several) that didn't have any obvious damage, and claimed the monitors would be "cleaned up" before shipment. Assuming the monitor with the crap on the screen (and case) works fine, that's not a big deal. But I am not going to use the cracked one, even if it works. Going to send these to the seller now and demand a partial refund. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 What the heck is that cross on the screen? Did somebody draw that with a marker? Man, those are really sad. On an Ebay where I've conducted very limited sales, I was trying to be waaaaaay "above and beyond the call" because I'm terrified of unreasonable people leaving me negative feedback and wrecking my chances of trying more sales in future. In a selling environment where I feel that way, it boggles the mind how anybody could think - even for a moment - that they could operate like your seller has done. So I get poor service from sellers and when I am selling, I give great service yet I am nervous. Murphy's Law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 What the heck is that cross on the screen? Did somebody draw that with a marker? Man, those are really sad. On an Ebay where I've conducted very limited sales, I was trying to be waaaaaay "above and beyond the call" because I'm terrified of unreasonable people leaving me negative feedback and wrecking my chances of trying more sales in future. In a selling environment where I feel that way, it boggles the mind how anybody could think - even for a moment - that they could operate like your seller has done. So I get poor service from sellers and when I am selling, I give great service yet I am nervous. Murphy's Law? I've been screwed so many times by eBay sellers in the last six months it's not even funny. I've documented several cases elsewhere on the forum. I come to expect it now--it's like playing the lottery when you open a package from an eBay seller. I'm asking for a full refund (with shipping) for the cracked monitor. If the seller says no, I'll file a claim on PayPal and tie up the money and also leave the seller negative feedback. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 If the seller doesn't want them back you know where they can go. I'm sure I can think of a cool art project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 If the seller doesn't want them back you know where they can go. I'm sure I can think of a cool art project. You're more than welcome to have the cracked monitor either way, I would like to have monitors in relatively good condition for my CGE display. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Nice. I don't know if I could necessarily fix it and spray it back to normal or anything, but I could use it for SOMETHING, I guarantee it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 Does it have to work? I haven't tested it yet. In fact, I have five 1702s sitting here that I haven't tested yet and three more on the way. Need to dig out one of my A/V-modified 2600 systems and get on top of that. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 It doesn't necessarily have to work, no. I don't have any solid ideas for what I would do with it but I'm sure I can think of both non-working and working uses for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 (edited) The actual auction only showed one monitor (the seller was selling several) that didn't have any obvious damage, and claimed the monitors would be "cleaned up" before shipment. Assuming the monitor with the crap on the screen (and case) works fine, that's not a big deal. But I am not going to use the cracked one, even if it works. Going to send these to the seller now and demand a partial refund. Looks like a multi-cam setup for a video shoot. The stickers saying "choir left" and "choir right" suggest that. Hope there aren't any burn-ins leftover from that. Weird they felt the need to draw on the monitor though. Edited April 16, 2010 by Nathan Strum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 Yep... looks like they used it for a security system. I wonder if it has numbers burned-in from the time stamps that those systems use? Nothing obviously at casual glance, that's the first thing I looked for as well. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 Here's the (not surprising) response from the seller: I reviewed your pictures and they were not in this condition when they were shipped out of our store. I've come to believe that this is an issue with UPS/USPS shipment. I would like for you to take this issue up with UPS/USPS which ever the damaged system came through. I'm sorry for this inconvenience, We have recently changed our Ebay staff, so that listing wasn't on our part and we apologize for this issue. Another staff member and I personally cleaned those up as best as possible they weren't as clean as what they should have been in the beginning. That is one of many reasons why we have a new staff. If you have any other questions or concerns please feel free to contact me. Thanks I already responded and gave him one more chance to take responsibility for the condition these arrived in. If not, I will be filing a claim immediately and threaten to leave negative feedback (which the seller may not care about). I love the comment about "not in the condition when they were shipped", yeah, all that crap affixed to that one monitor was affixed by UPS? ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 Again, the seller told me to basically pound sand and take it up with the USPS: I'm sorry for this inconvenience. what I can say is that you as a buyer should file a claim through USPS to receive the refund for this system. If that doesn't work for you then we can file the claim for you and do our best to resolve this problem. Thanks Yeah, first, the package was not insured. Second, the USPS would surely deny the claim given the poor packaging job on the part of the seller (just some loose cardboard in the box and some thick bubblewrap in front of the picture tube--but the monitor was fairly loose in the box, which is a great recipe for damage). Not to mention the seller shipped it via USPS Media Mail and they'd probably laugh me out of the post office if I tried to make a claim based on that alone. I just opened a case on eBay to see how their new "Resolution Center" works out. Haven't left feedback yet but I can sense it's surely coming. If this doesn't work out I'll file a claim with PayPal. I'll ship the monitor back if I need to, as long as I don't have to pay for return shipping. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 If you end up stuck with the one with marker on the screen, and you're lucky enough that it works, you might clean the writing off with Coleman fuel. Removes lots of marker, soaks into stickers/tape, removes sticker/tape residue, removes grease, dissolves chewing gum, removes oil spots from clothing, etc etc.... $6/gal at Walmart but a can lasts me a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 17, 2010 Author Share Posted April 17, 2010 I should be able to get the sticker residue off with Goo Gone. I'll test the monitor tomorrow to see if it actually works. I wonder if that Coleman Fuel will get labels off 5200 carts... ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I am wondering the same now... If it doesn't work you can then easily set them on fire for stress relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 19, 2010 Author Share Posted April 19, 2010 I'm getting the runaround from the seller. I filed a claim on eBay and the seller stated that if I shipped the monitor back (with all the original packaging) he'd refund me (surely just the cost of the monitor) and then file a claim with USPS. I'm certainly not going to spend $40+ to send the monitor back and have the seller send me only $35 for the price of the monitor, I'd be even deeper in the hole. I'm going to call eBay and escalate and see what they do. I'll be damned if I'm going to get screwed in this deal. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman jack Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Al, what do you usually pay for one with shipping? Bravo Sierra has them for $150 shipped. That may be steep if you can find them on Craig's List for $30. And then again, it may be reasonable. I've never bought one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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