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#1 calfranklin OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:31 PM

What was the Atari Educational System Master Cartridge CXL4001 used for? Are there other programs on cassette or disks that worked with this program? In case you're interested, someone on Ebay is selling one of these carts with a starting bid of $49.00 (plus $3.00 S&H). I already own a loose cart, but have never been able to figure out what it was used for?

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Posted Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:02 PM

There is a series of tapes that work with it that I am aware of. If I recall they used the audio track along with programs loading from the data track.

I have the Atari Educational System Talk & Teach Courseware Catalog at home that lists the companion tapes. I'll see if I can get a scan

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Posted Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:32 PM

There are two versions of this cartridge - the Atari one with the "flying owl" logo, which you can see at http://www.atarimuse...nu/edu-menu.htm or you can see a partial image of the cartridge at http://www.best-elec...com/xe_game.htm (do an in-page search for educational system manager). Brad also has several of the original titles listed for historical purposes, but just two sets of tapes.

The second version of the cartridge is the Dorsett Educational Systems one (they actually did all of the Talk and Teach lectures for Atari). You can see an example at eBay Auction -- Item Number: 310255527377 or check out a 1983 ad on Google for the entire package: http://books.google....s atari&f=false

Sadly Dorsett merged with another company which in turn got bought out by a maker of novelty goods. I dunno if anyone has unearthed a treasure trove of tapes yet. But I did finally get my hands on two of the US History tapes.

Here's how it works. Start an A8 with the Education master cartridge, and a connected cassette player (I've been using a 410 for right now, but only because my 1010 is in storage, I aim to get it out this week and test it, I might post a video clip online if I get better results). Press start when prompted, and various lectures will begin, AND text/graphics will follow the lectures on screen. The graphics aren't that exciting, simple Atascii art, but still kinda cool. Periodically, you get prompted to answer a question. Press #1 on the keyboard if the leftmost answer on the screen is correct, #2 if it's the one in the center, or #3 if it's the one on the right (sometimes you only get a choice of #1 and #3). The tapes are long, but are easily stopped between lectures, that can be resumed later.

BUT, due to the age of the cassettes, although I've had no problems with the audio (so far), the text/graphics being drawn simultaneously on the screen get 'glitchy.' There's probably no real way to help this short of some really good dubbing/audio cleaning software. If anyone is interested, I've been kicking around the idea of re-recording just the lectures and saving them without the data.

Oh and as far as I've been able to tell (so far, owning just 2 tapes in the US History set of four, and the spelling set that I haven't tried yet), these packages did NOT come with any kinds of guides or workbooks, unlike the later foreign language sets (Spanish, German, French and Italian, which also run with just BASIC, and don't need the Education Master Cartridge).

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Posted Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:51 PM

I think I paid $16 shipped for my boxed one, and thought that was a lot. $49 seems out of line.

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Posted Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:52 PM

There are two versions of this cartridge - the Atari one with the "flying owl" logo, which you can see at http://www.atarimuse...nu/edu-menu.htm or you can see a partial image of the cartridge at http://www.best-elec...com/xe_game.htm (do an in-page search for educational system manager). Brad also has several of the original titles listed for historical purposes, but just two sets of tapes.

The second version of the cartridge is the Dorsett Educational Systems one (they actually did all of the Talk and Teach lectures for Atari). You can see an example at eBay Auction -- Item Number: 310255527377 or check out a 1983 ad on Google for the entire package: http://books.google....20atari&f=false

Sadly Dorsett merged with another company which in turn got bought out by a maker of novelty goods. I dunno if anyone has unearthed a treasure trove of tapes yet. But I did finally get my hands on two of the US History tapes.

Here's how it works. Start an A8 with the Education master cartridge, and a connected cassette player (I've been using a 410 for right now, but only because my 1010 is in storage, I aim to get it out this week and test it, I might post a video clip online if I get better results). Press start when prompted, and various lectures will begin, AND text/graphics will follow the lectures on screen. The graphics aren't that exciting, simple Atascii art, but still kinda cool. Periodically, you get prompted to answer a question. Press #1 on the keyboard if the leftmost answer on the screen is correct, #2 if it's the one in the center, or #3 if it's the one on the right (sometimes you only get a choice of #1 and #3). The tapes are long, but are easily stopped between lectures, that can be resumed later.

BUT, due to the age of the cassettes, although I've had no problems with the audio (so far), the text/graphics being drawn simultaneously on the screen get 'glitchy.' There's probably no real way to help this short of some really good dubbing/audio cleaning software. If anyone is interested, I've been kicking around the idea of re-recording just the lectures and saving them without the data.

Oh and as far as I've been able to tell (so far, owning just 2 tapes in the US History set of four, and the spelling set that I haven't tried yet), these packages did NOT come with any kinds of guides or workbooks, unlike the later foreign language sets (Spanish, German, French and Italian, which also run with just BASIC, and don't need the Education Master Cartridge).


That's great info :)

Does anyone want me to scan the catalog of tapes?

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Posted Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:29 AM

That's great info :)

Does anyone want me to scan the catalog of tapes?


Yes please!

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Posted Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:19 AM

Does anybody have a Dorsett catalog? The company sold many other programs.

Also, I seem to recall Datamost re-released the full series under the name MindWare just before going bust.

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Posted Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:59 AM

Huh, it looks like the Dorsett version was released twice. Thanks to PitfallJones's list http://www.pitfalljo...om/0800-med.htm - start with the "Original releases" and you'll find the Atari one, then scroll down to the Applications set, and you'll see one version of the Dorsett cartridge (the one I have), which is a Dorsett label on an Atari cartridge case. BUT also have a look at http://www.atariage....ost__p__1415592 and you'll see the same Dorsett label on a generic looking cartridge case.

Personally I think trying to find and "rescue" the tapes will be more interesting, but if anyone is still working on a complete set of cartridges, there ya go. :)

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Posted Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:57 PM

Huh, it looks like the Dorsett version was released twice. Thanks to PitfallJones's list http://www.pitfalljo...om/0800-med.htm - start with the "Original releases" and you'll find the Atari one, then scroll down to the Applications set, and you'll see one version of the Dorsett cartridge (the one I have), which is a Dorsett label on an Atari cartridge case. BUT also have a look at http://www.atariage....ost__p__1415592 and you'll see the same Dorsett label on a generic looking cartridge case.

Personally I think trying to find and "rescue" the tapes will be more interesting, but if anyone is still working on a complete set of cartridges, there ya go. :)


Thanks for all of the very interesting info concerning the Atari Master Educational Cartridge. I remember once booting this cart on my 800XL, but it only displayed a simple text menu. Has anyone ever been able to upload the Talk and Teach Series so Atarians could enjoy them via an Atari 8-bit emulator? I would love to be able to simply read the lessons on my computer.

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Posted Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:01 PM


There are two versions of this cartridge - the Atari one with the "flying owl" logo, which you can see at http://www.atarimuse...nu/edu-menu.htm or you can see a partial image of the cartridge at http://www.best-elec...com/xe_game.htm (do an in-page search for educational system manager). Brad also has several of the original titles listed for historical purposes, but just two sets of tapes.

The second version of the cartridge is the Dorsett Educational Systems one (they actually did all of the Talk and Teach lectures for Atari). You can see an example at eBay Auction -- Item Number: 310255527377 or check out a 1983 ad on Google for the entire package: http://books.google....20atari&f=false

Sadly Dorsett merged with another company which in turn got bought out by a maker of novelty goods. I dunno if anyone has unearthed a treasure trove of tapes yet. But I did finally get my hands on two of the US History tapes.

Here's how it works. Start an A8 with the Education master cartridge, and a connected cassette player (I've been using a 410 for right now, but only because my 1010 is in storage, I aim to get it out this week and test it, I might post a video clip online if I get better results). Press start when prompted, and various lectures will begin, AND text/graphics will follow the lectures on screen. The graphics aren't that exciting, simple Atascii art, but still kinda cool. Periodically, you get prompted to answer a question. Press #1 on the keyboard if the leftmost answer on the screen is correct, #2 if it's the one in the center, or #3 if it's the one on the right (sometimes you only get a choice of #1 and #3). The tapes are long, but are easily stopped between lectures, that can be resumed later.

BUT, due to the age of the cassettes, although I've had no problems with the audio (so far), the text/graphics being drawn simultaneously on the screen get 'glitchy.' There's probably no real way to help this short of some really good dubbing/audio cleaning software. If anyone is interested, I've been kicking around the idea of re-recording just the lectures and saving them without the data.

Oh and as far as I've been able to tell (so far, owning just 2 tapes in the US History set of four, and the spelling set that I haven't tried yet), these packages did NOT come with any kinds of guides or workbooks, unlike the later foreign language sets (Spanish, German, French and Italian, which also run with just BASIC, and don't need the Education Master Cartridge).


That's great info :)

Does anyone want me to scan the catalog of tapes?


Excellent response on the use of this cart. Yes, I would like to see the scanned catalogs.

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Posted Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:02 PM

Excellent response on the use of this cart.  Yes, I would like to see the scanned catalogs.


Here's a new scan of the Atari Talk & Teach Cassette Courseware Catalog, Rev.3 (1979).  

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Edited by hunmanik, Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:05 PM.


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Posted Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:19 PM


Excellent response on the use of this cart. Yes, I would like to see the scanned catalogs.


Here's a new scan of the Atari Talk & Teach Cassette Courseware Catalog, Rev.3 (1979).


Ah, you got to it before me, that's the exact catalog I have

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Posted Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:37 AM

I now have three of those booklets/catalogs, I'll check to see if there is anything any different between the three, but I doubt it. Would anyone be interested in a video clip showing any of the tapes running with the cartridge? I just got sealed copies of Psychology and Sociology from Brad@Best, so those will probably play the cleanest.

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Posted Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:20 PM

I have taken a couple screenshots (from the Basic Psychology and U.S. History cassette series) and posted them at:
http://photos.8bitca...?gallery=419414

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Posted Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:15 PM

I will go through my stuff this weekend, but I know I have at least one Dorsett Cassette. I think I have both the Atari and the Dorsett versions of the cartridge.

I suppose it would be a good idea to archive these things somehow before all of the tapes turn to dust.

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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:05 AM

There seems to be two copy variations but the original, non-reproduced version, as I am told, is on the Atari Edu System Master cart with a Dorestt label stuck on top of it.
Pitfall jones's website shows this correct version. I'm not sure who made the copies???

I have about 18 or so Atari versions of the cassettes.

http://blog.8bitcafe...nal-system.aspx

Edited by chrislynn5, Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:06 AM.


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Posted Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:03 PM

I'm *guessing* because I don't own one, but I would imagine that the brown plastic cartridge with the gold label would be the one that starts up with a Dorsett copyright notice, while the Atari carts, including the ones with Dorsett labels, all come up with an Atari copyright notice. I rarely see anything for the system up for sale, though I have doubled my collection of original sets of Atari branded cassettes to 10 (if I remember correctly, that means I still have six to find).

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Posted Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:31 PM

Hi,
I have converted some of Dorsett's tapes into "wav" files to work on Altirra.

CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) (A) (Side 1) (Force_Motion).wav
CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) (A) (Side 2) (Dynamics_Matter).wav

CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) (B) (Side 1) (Matter and Energy_Sound).wav
CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) (B) (Side 2) (Light Wave_Motion).wav

CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) © (Side 1) (Electromagnetic Waves_Electricity).wav
CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) © (Side 2) (Electromagnetism & Current_Electronics)...

CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) (D) (Side 1) (Elements & Atoms_ Atomic & Nuclear).wav..
CX6008 (Atari Education System) (Physics) (D) (Side 2) (Using Nuclear Theory of Relativity).wav

1. Attach the "Educational System Master Cartridge" into Altirra.


2. Then go to the Cassette / Load option, under File menu, and Open the "wav" file.

3. Then Press "SHIFT+F5" to do a Cold Start.

4. Now press "F2" (Start Button on Emulator)

Please give feedback on how these files are working for you.

Thanks,
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Posted Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:02 PM

Ok, does anyone know how many cassettes were branded under Atari and how many under Dorsett?
I just reviewed what I have and it is 25 Atari branded cassettes (all in great shape) (Header: Atari Educational System). And Physics isn't one of the catagories???
Then I have another6 cassettes in the same label variation, minus the Atari Educational System header, but are games. ie. Space Invaders??
Thanx.

Edited by chrislynn5, Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:06 PM.


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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:25 AM

There's another thread where I posted a supposedly complete list of Courseware tapes by Dorsett.

Also, I'll ask again: has anybody seen the cassettes in a rebranded series by Datamost called MindWare?

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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:27 AM

Doug, many thanks for the files :-)

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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:52 PM

There are 16 Atari titles: US History, US Government, Supervisory Skills, World History, Basic Sociology, Counseling Procedures, Principles of Accounting, Physics, Great Classics (I'd love to have this one), Business Communications, Basic Psychology, Effective Writing, Spelling, Basic Electricty and Algebra. When Dorsett took the carts and tapes back, they sold those 16 and several more. I'll try to scan their listings if I can find the time.

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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:59 PM

I have 4 cassettes of Great Classics, you siad in your post you'd like them. Would that complete your collection?

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Posted Sat Nov 5, 2011 8:45 AM

No, but it would be one step closer. :) I need 6 more - that one, World History, Business Communications, Basic Electricity, Principles of Economics (which I left out of my above list, oops) and the original Atari Algebra, which is the same as the Dorsett one, so no real loss. I've got a cassette to cassette recorder (an RCA that's about 10 years old) if anyone wants to lend me tapes; I'll copy them and send them back. Worth a try, I think, and cheaper than eBay! :)

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Posted Sat Nov 5, 2011 2:29 PM

Side by side comparisons of the Atari CXL4001 cartridge, and the exact same thing with Dorsett's labels on it, the D4001 cartridge.

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