Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

[atariksi]

Since it is christmas and in the spirit of 'charity' may i be so bold as to propse that atariski suggeats some games that the other posters here can experiment with both analog(ue) and digital joysticks/pads and gamepads/keyboards etc (basically any device that allows you to interact with the game) and post their findings for the various games and devices used in this thread, that way we know which device is better suited to which game...and that way we can establisgh what is scientific fact (as it will be a much fairer and more opebn scientific experiment)

 

As I mentioned DonkeyKong, Pac-man (or Ms. Pac-man, or any other pac-mans), Miner 2049er, and a few others you can try with both types of joysticks (and keyboard if you want) and you'll see the results quite easily. Others may take longer runs.

 

Forgot to mention, you may need a Joystick Simulator or some set up to allow for all three types of controllers.

[RevEng]

Didn't want to ruin the analog joystickists holidays, but *you* really messed this one up. The analogy is giving his shooting percentage not the power which he uses to shoot. I guess you don't know much about basketball. And no, 100% or 0% is not the only way to implement a digital state either.

Your analogy was perfectly understood, but since your assertion that digital joysticks provide superior control without qualification was already disproven in post #18 and many after, your analogy serves no point, except to ironically underscore the fact that we are beings with analog brains and analog limbs.

[potatohead]

Exactly.

 

And by the way, Atariksi, you forgot to read, while figuring out how you could add something to the thread to look magnanimous and considerate, while really dishing out a big "fuck you" to the ones that have called you out on your shit.

 

(yes, we notice)

 

I believe the questions on the table right now are:

 

1. Why? Why press this point? I asked it early on, but not in such a direct fashion. Do not answer with the point again, nor it's supporting arguments. We've heard those. Answer WHY you need this point to stand un-refuted. (which it currently does not, but you can answer why anyway, given you believe it does)

 

2. How are the two programs different? Run one with the analog stick, run the other with the digital stick, and the differences are mechanical only. Are there any other differences, that are MATERIAL to your primary assertion, and if so, what are those MATERIAL differences?

 

(material meant in the legal sense, as in relevant, and contributory to the primary argument)

 

By way of example, just in case you get caught not reading again, a NON-material difference would be sample time. That doesn't impact the game control, unless a strong case can be made for that. Everything that happens gets rounded to the TV frame time, whatever that is. Until demonstrated otherwise, that's not MATERIAL to the matter of control you put on the table.

[Cebus Capucinis]

You messed up in reading AND in understanding! Is it can be possible time?

[Divya16]

Didn't want to ruin the analog joystickists holidays, but *you* really messed this one up. The analogy is giving his shooting percentage not the power which he uses to shoot. I guess you don't know much about basketball. And no, 100% or 0% is not the only way to implement a digital state either.

Your analogy was perfectly understood, but since your assertion that digital joysticks provide superior control without qualification was already disproven in post #18 and many after, your analogy serves no point, except to ironically underscore the fact that we are beings with analog brains and analog limbs.

 

You still only up to post #18. That conversation went back and forth until Ledzep realized paddles aren't the samething as analog joysticks. No wonder you make statements like that. You did the same blunder earlier with my analogy when I tried to use trackpoints and you started discussing those instead of addressing the point being made. Now you take the analog of basketball related to law of averages and want to twist and distort it to something else.

 

You need desperate help in reading comprehension skills.

[Mirage]

 

You still only up to post #18. That conversation went back and forth until Ledzep realized paddles aren't the samething as analog joysticks. No wonder you make statements like that. You did the same blunder earlier with my analogy when I tried to use trackpoints and you started discussing those instead of addressing the point being made. Now you take the analog of basketball related to law of averages and want to twist and distort it to something else.

 

You need desperate help in reading comprehension skills.

 

Who tried to use trackpoints? I can't find that. (I am asking in earnest).

[potatohead]

I find it quite interesting that wonttalktopotatoheadski is "on holiday", leaving mightbeatariksiinadressski to "hold the fort".

 

(funny too, as I think I'm back to believing Atariksi is presenting as a woman / girl when it makes sense for him to do so)

 

I also find it quite interesting that both personas have such a high recall of the thread! Numbered posts! Over extended times, each with the same distortions on the flow of conversation at that time?

 

You know, I would have to devote some significant time to that task, taking notes, actually laboring to build the bizzare cases made here. This is disturbing to me. Honest! I'm not generally stupid. I know this. I don't think I'm brilliant either. More like "smart enough" to get through, given some work. Maybe average, plus a bit here and there.

 

So then, given that, I'm kind of right in the techie / retro sweet spot, and I would think most of my peers would consider that recall to be a deliberate effort, as I do.

 

Why do that? Question number 1 is extremely relevant now. Good call on asking it.

[+Stephen]

Since it is christmas and in the spirit of 'charity' may i be so bold as to propse that atariski suggeats some games that the other posters here can experiment with both analog(ue) and digital joysticks/pads and gamepads/keyboards etc (basically any device that allows you to interact with the game) and post their findings for the various games and devices used in this thread, that way we know which device is better suited to which game...and that way we can establisgh what is scientific fact (as it will be a much fairer and more opebn scientific experiment)

It won't matter. Many of us have proposed games which work better with analog. Atariksi conveniently ignores them because they do not fit his biased experiment.

[+Stephen]

I'll reply to other posts after the holidays as this skunk was just trying to smell things up.

Another personal attack. You truly are a douchebag (yeah, that is also a personal attack). It's called karma, something you should know quite a bit about. Treat people the way you expect to be treated. You constantly treat people like assholes, so this is what you bring on yourself.

 

Do you act this way when face to face with people? I have a feeling you are one of those "internet tough guys" who only act masculine when hiding behind the safety of a keyboard.

[+Stephen]

Since it is christmas and in the spirit of 'charity' may i be so bold as to propse that atariski suggeats some games that the other posters here can experiment with both analog(ue) and digital joysticks/pads and gamepads/keyboards etc (basically any device that allows you to interact with the game) and post their findings for the various games and devices used in this thread, that way we know which device is better suited to which game...and that way we can establisgh what is scientific fact (as it will be a much fairer and more opebn scientific experiment)

 

As I mentioned DonkeyKong, Pac-man (or Ms. Pac-man, or any other pac-mans), Miner 2049er, and a few others you can try with both types of joysticks (and keyboard if you want) and you'll see the results quite easily. Others may take longer runs.

I like that. It's great how you only include games that were DESIGNED with digital control in mind. You constantly ignore games that were not. Of course, why treat an experiment without bias? I forget - you are a scientist and trying to educate us.

[+Stephen]

You still only up to post #18. That conversation went back and forth until Ledzep realized paddles aren't the samething as analog joysticks. No wonder you make statements like that. You did the same blunder earlier with my analogy when I tried to use trackpoints and you started discussing those instead of addressing the point being made. Now you take the analog of basketball related to law of averages and want to twist and distort it to something else.

 

You need desperate help in reading comprehension skills.

You need help in social skills and general knowledge. A paddle is a single axis analog joystick. It is read the exact same way, and "suffers" from the same problems. The reason you (atarksi) wants to keep refuting this is it destroys your argument that digital is always superior. You admitted a paddle works best in Breakout. But you can't admit ever being wrong, so it is easier to just dismiss paddles. If they can't be considered, they can't be used in the argument, and therefore, you weren't really wrong.

 

See that - we can all see through your bullshit.

[+Stephen]

I find it quite interesting that wonttalktopotatoheadski is "on holiday", leaving mightbeatariksiinadressski to "hold the fort".

Well of course - that way we are supposed to believe they are in fact two different people

 

(funny too, as I think I'm back to believing Atariksi is presenting as a woman / girl when it makes sense for him to do so)

Call me sexist, but have you EVER known a woman to be this logical? To me, it doesn't make sense. Atarksi comes off as the girl more often, as he is always accusing (and so easily recognizes) when people are being emotional.

 

I also find it quite interesting that both personas have such a high recall of the thread! Numbered posts! Over extended times, each with the same distortions on the flow of conversation at that time?

It's because they(as if plural is needed) are so much smarter than the rest of us.

 

You know, I would have to devote some significant time to that task, taking notes, actually laboring to build the bizzare cases made here. This is disturbing to me. Honest! I'm not generally stupid. I know this. I don't think I'm brilliant either. More like "smart enough" to get through, given some work. Maybe average, plus a bit here and there.

Makes sense though - do you honestly think with these kind of social skills, that anybody in real life would talk to them? With no social life, they have all the time in the world to devote to this.

 

So then, given that, I'm kind of right in the techie / retro sweet spot, and I would think most of my peers would consider that recall to be a deliberate effort, as I do.

 

Why do that? Question number 1 is extremely relevant now. Good call on asking it.

Desperate call for attention, which they are receiving by the bucket load. I'm well amused and having fun - how about you?

[potatohead]

Absolutely. I wouldn't be here, if I were not. It's all kind of morbid.

[Mirage]

He/she is similar to a Rain Man situation. Very intelligent in certain very specific ways, but dumb as a rock in every other way.

[potatohead]

I've got some image in my mind of the scientist wannabe, who needs that "discovery" credit. I'll bet deep down, that's a part of why.

 

Hey wonttalktopotatoheadski, what's the difference between the two programs?

 

You know, it's refuted big, until you choose to answer up. Burden is on you, so it's not like you can go silent and just get credit for being right about it.

 

That's a sales job at this point in time, and it's really, really hard to sell people on this kind of thing when you are basically some asshole* to them about it.

 

*And I get to say that, based on the legal test (yes, that was a legal test for asshole) up thread. It should be obvious by now, I collect those things, so I can support my work. Don't you support your work? Oh yeah, that's right! You only show data to those people that can be trusted to agree with you and your data.

[Divya16]

I'll reply to other posts after the holidays as this skunk was just trying to smell things up.

Another personal attack. You truly are a douchebag (yeah, that is also a personal attack). It's called karma, something you should know quite a bit about. Treat people the way you expect to be treated. You constantly treat people like assholes, so this is what you bring on yourself.

 

Do you act this way when face to face with people? I have a feeling you are one of those "internet tough guys" who only act masculine when hiding behind the safety of a keyboard.

 

Hey maybe you are an envious snake. You once again only read one-sidedly. The message that was replied to contains the REAL personal attack and skunk isn't a personal attack since he indeed was trying to stink things up. Go take a lesson in comprehension yourself and learn to be unbiased. Biased people think others are unbiased but that advice is worth nothing. You really have problems repeating things that have been refuted so many times. You always make personal attacks by misidentifying people on PURPOSE. That makes you a hypocrite as well (for REAL).

[+Stephen]

Hey maybe you are an envious snake. You once again only read one-sidedly. The message that was replied to contains the REAL personal attack and skunk isn't a personal attack since he indeed was trying to stink things up. Go take a lesson in comprehension yourself and learn to be unbiased. Biased people think others are unbiased but that advice is worth nothing. You really have problems repeating things that have been refuted so many times. You always make personal attacks by misidentifying people on PURPOSE. That makes you a hypocrite as well (for REAL).

Quit picking on me and others, and answer the easy questions. What is wrong with potato's program showing how an analog controller can have known states just like your precious digital stick?

 

Your diversionary tactics are too easy to spot.

[potatohead]

For real? Boy, that would make me think twice. (Snicker)

 

What I don't get is the record of attacks manipulations denials and lies is there. It is not like people cannot go and look.

[Mirage]

He/she sits there holed up in his/her condo/apartment/"classroom"-(LOL), with nothing better to do except put everyone on ignore that sees through his/her BS. He/she says that so many things are not worth replying to, but what he/she fails to understand is that those issues have BECOME the subject, like it or not. When the original points have been refuted so handily and completely, there's nothing else left to discuss.

[JamesD]

And people wondered why I was so persistent in the argument over ST vs 8 bit for desktop publishing.

[JamesD]

He/she sits there holed up in his/her condo/apartment/"classroom"-(LOL), with nothing better to do except put everyone on ignore that sees through his/her BS. He/she says that so many things are not worth replying to, but what he/she fails to understand is that those issues have BECOME the subject, like it or not. When the original points have been refuted so handily and completely, there's nothing else left to discuss.

atariksi seems to think a scientist (what he claims to be) gets to decide what is or is not the subject.

[Divya16]

He/she sits there holed up in his/her condo/apartment/"classroom"-(LOL), with nothing better to do except put everyone on ignore that sees through his/her BS. He/she says that so many things are not worth replying to, but what he/she fails to understand is that those issues have BECOME the subject, like it or not. When the original points have been refuted so handily and completely, there's nothing else left to discuss.

 

If your speculations were true, you wouldn't keep replying and discussing.

[+Stephen]

If your speculations were true, you wouldn't keep replying and discussing.

And again you ignore every bit of conflicting evidence that has been posted, including potato's two programs.

 

We see how you play this game.

[Mirage]

He/she sits there holed up in his/her condo/apartment/"classroom"-(LOL), with nothing better to do except put everyone on ignore that sees through his/her BS. He/she says that so many things are not worth replying to, but what he/she fails to understand is that those issues have BECOME the subject, like it or not. When the original points have been refuted so handily and completely, there's nothing else left to discuss.

 

If your speculations were true, you wouldn't keep replying and discussing.

 

I've explained why I keep replying, but you keep messing up in understanding.

 

You have a LOT of questions left unanswered. You continue to ignore many of them, including many directly related to your original point if you insist on only sticking to that.

 

Yes, we see how you play. You have made it abundantly clear. It's obvious to everyone but yourself.

[Mirage]

But truth be told, you're starting to bore me again, parrotski.