+CyranoJ Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Just write 'Liard said so' next to them all. His dentist must have a hell of a job getting past all the shit coming out of his mouth to get to his teeth. It'd probably of been a lot more 'helpful' if the list that's up on Page 1 of this thread listed just where the claims of said games being in development came from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Just write 'Liard said so' next to them all. His dentist must have a hell of a job getting past all the shit coming out of his mouth to get to his teeth. I'm just going to say this to get it out of the way: jokes about British dentistry are rather tired at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I've made inital contact with an ex-EDGE jurnolist (among other magazines), so i'll try and find out where they got the information for various news reports from the Jaguar/3DO era (early EDGE days) and report back on any findings. Thanks to the question i put to Rebellion via the RVG interview, at least i know it was'nt always direct from the game studios themselves. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Bit more info:Ok that issue of Edge that's often referenced as having Jag shots of Tomb Raider and swagman in:It was'nt actually an Edge preview per say, but a promotional supplement given away with Edge, which Atari paid for and Edge took some flak over, lol As i've mentioned before Edge's information was pulled up by Darryl Still at the time, questioned by Rebellion years later and readers often wrote in questioning scores given to AVP, Crescent Galaxy and magazines later treatment of the Jaguar. As for Swagman, Thunderhawk and Swagman? C+VG's Tekno had Core's PR Manager Susie Hamilton talking about 32X versions (saying they would'nt just be port overs from MCD as you could'nt do that, technically anyway, but NOTHING said of ANY plans for Jaguar versions, hell they were'nt even sure what exact changes to make to 32X Thunderhawk, except 24-bit graphics, new, tougher missions etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Also mentioned were Core's future games inc: 'Fractual Racer-A polygon-generated 4 wheel drive vehicle racing challenge across fully rendered off road landscapes which Core aimed to beat Daytona USA as king of the racers! (only time i've ever heard this title mentioned) and 'Tomb Raiders' as C+VG refered to it, saying all they knew about it at that point was that it would be a 3D adventure staring:a guy, a girl a pyramid and some guns. Both titles due on Saturn, along with Tee-Off on 32X (Golf Sim). So, If Core's own PR Manager was'nt telling biggest UK multi-format magazine at that time of ANY planned Jaguar/Jaguar CD games planned, i kinda fuigure any such plans had long been abandoned at concept stage at best in a good few cases.It was all 32X/Saturn from there on in. Jaguar simply not it seems, seen as a high priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 :-) Only just noticed, but is'nt that AVP 2 screen (featured in the cough, cough, Lost Jaguar games video youtube clip) from Rebellion's Windows'95 PC game? now that's clutching at straws!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeoNinja Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 'Tomb Raiders' as C+VG refered to it, saying all they knew about it at that point was that it would be a 3D adventure staring:a guy, a girl a pyramid and some guns. Incidentally... - - The name "Tomb Raiders" was used for the JPN release of Tomb Raider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Few Core Design quotes from Edge interview many years ago.Sheds light on just when Tomb Raider got started, issues waiting for hardware to catch-up to what they wanted to do: Adrain Smith (operations manager at Core): 'we had this vision of a character in a cinematic enviroment, that was the inital concept of Tomb Raider.We had immense problems initally designing a system around the character that would let them move within a camera system' Stuart Atkinson (Artist, animator and designer at Core):'We already had sketches and ideas about the game about a year before we even finished BC Racers (MCD).' Adrain Smith said despite initally being a Saturn specific title (and game engine purpose built for it) Tomb Raider was harder to produce on Saturn than Playstation, as there was no use of the hardware as such;it was just shipping an awful lot of polygons around.In development you can find the lesser platform slows down the whole project-your working to it's limitations the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Sometime about 20 years ago we all were playing maybe AvP or perhaps Raiden etc or perhaps something on our 3do's or SNES/Genesis. (MK II perhaps?) It was an exciting time for gaming IMO. And the PSX and Saturn were still off in the distance. And this song was big on the radio: Edited September 14, 2014 by JagChris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeoNinja Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'm a HUGE Soundgarden and Chris Cornell fan. I nearly orgasmed back in 05/06 when I first learned CC was to perform the next Bond Theme. Such an inspired decision and a great song too. But seriously, BMFinger, SUnkown and DOTUSide are all great albums. Haven't given KingAnimal any real listening time yet though. Not too fond of band reprisals tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Peter Molyneux talking to The One magazine concerning possible conversion of Magic Carpet to A1200: 'We're maybe going to do Magic Carpet for the A1200.On the PC Magic Carpet is a superb 3D game with texture-mapped graphics and gouraud shading....but it needs a super fast machine.On the Amiga though the landscapes wonh't look so nice.It'll probably be more like say, Virus-although every part of the actual game will be in there. So, again, i've yet to see ANY proof Peter was considering doing a Jaguar version and looking at comments regarding A1200 version, i guess we get some sort of idea of how a Jaguar version would of turned out, had it ever been attempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladR Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 While I don't know the specs of A1200 from the top of my head, it would probably be as close to PC version of MagicCarpet running in 640x480 as Wolfenstein is close to Doom 3. Few yrs ago, I used to say that Jag couldn't do a proper MagicCarpet, but right now I actually believe it could be done. Have a voxel terrain and use OP/Blitter to render all the entities and most importantly, have one of the RISCs run the pathfinding / AI for the hundred entities flying over the world. All we need is pay 3-4 guys fulltime for the duration of 2-3 years and it could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Kai Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'm a HUGE Soundgarden and Chris Cornell fan. I nearly orgasmed back in 05/06 when I first learned CC was to perform the next Bond Theme. Such an inspired decision and a great song too. But seriously, BMFinger, SUnkown and DOTUSide are all great albums. Haven't given KingAnimal any real listening time yet though. Not too fond of band reprisals tbh... King Animal is fucking great man, what are you waiting for? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Lobotomy using their own engine for Saturn Quake was mentioned:few quotes from Ezra Dreisbach (Lobotomoy) on the Exhumed Engine on Saturn: 'A full 3D engine is a better match for the hardware on the Saturn than a strip engine like Doom' 'I did'nt get much use out of the VDP2.It's drawing the parallax sky and the weapons.The main benifit of this is that it frees up VDP1 Ram for other stuff.I would much rather have had the VDP2's Ram attached to the VDP1.I am using both CPU's 1 CPU draws walls, the other does everything else...the engine runs twice as fast in complicated areas using both CPU's'. 'The engine could probably be made 20% fasterjust with general tightening and more assembly.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeoNinja Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 King Animal is fucking great man, what are you waiting for? Hahaha! Don't worry. I WILL sort that out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagosaurus Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Man.... made a thread a couple years back on JSII how I would've loved to see Alone In the Dark on Jag CD. Figured if the FM Towns Marry could push it, so could the Jag (not knowing it was in the works previously). Titles that interest me the most: Alone in the Dark Doom 2 AvP 2 Tomb Raider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagosaurus Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 So... am I missing Black Ice White Noise? One we know for a fact was in process. SIAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Man.... made a thread a couple years back on JSII how I would've loved to see Alone In the Dark on Jag CD. Figured if the FM Towns Marry could push it, so could the Jag (not knowing it was in the works previously). Titles that interest me the most: Alone in the Dark Doom 2 AvP 2 Tomb Raider You do know that the original poster of the original 'information' in this thread is a notorious lying sack of shit, right... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think this thread should be locked. It does nothing but spread disinformation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think this thread should be locked. It does nothing but spread disinformation. Deleted would be a better choice, but locked would be a good start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'm going to close this thread, since some of the titles listed are questionable, and the original topic starter is no longer a member. It would be ideal if someone could start a new list and include citations for any games listed. Even better would be scans and/or photos of documentation where applicable. I would be happy to pin such a thread as well. ..Al 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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