mbd30 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I thought that MAME was in error when it listed the resolution as 512x448, but that's what it is. That seems unusually high resolution for 1982. However I'm no expert on vintage arcade games so maybe it wasn't. What are some other high res titles from the time period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Fisher Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I thought that MAME was in error when it listed the resolution as 512x448, but that's what it is. That seems unusually high resolution for 1982. However I'm no expert on vintage arcade games so maybe it wasn't. What are some other high res titles from the time period? Funny, I was looking through Supercade by Van Burnham just last night and thought, "Boy, Popeye sure looks a lot sharper than those other games from that period." I guess it was! Anyway, I'm certainly no expert on the topic, but Atari System II used medium-res monitors (512 X 384) beginning in 1986, which is the earliest use I could find: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_System Toobin' also used one in 1988. Beyond that, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I always thought Popeye looked like it was at a higher resolution. The characters themselves look amazingly detailed for the time, but the backgrounds look about average or even below average. It's really a mixed bag. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Charlie Cat Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi guys, Popeye is a pretty good game. But high resolution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd30 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi guys, Popeye is a pretty good game. But high resolution? At 512x448 it's higher resolution than most older arcade games. By comparison, "Donkey Kong" and "Zaxxon" are 224x256. "Final Fight" and "Street Fighter 2" are both only 384x224. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd30 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Share Posted March 9, 2011 I always thought Popeye looked like it was at a higher resolution. The characters themselves look amazingly detailed for the time, but the backgrounds look about average or even below average. It's really a mixed bag. Tempest Yep. "Technologically, the arcade game uses a technique that was popularized by a few Bally Midway games which mixed high resolution foreground sprites with low resolution background displays. This resulted in extremely sharp and detailed graphics for the main characters, and contributed to its success. It also made the graphics difficult, if not impossible, to convert for home systems without a tremendous amount of compromise." http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Popeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Fisher Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 "Technologically, the arcade game uses a technique that was popularized by a few Bally Midway games which mixed high resolution foreground sprites with low resolution background displays. I knew it! One of the other ones in Supercade that looked different was Wacko, so there's another early "High Resolution" game, at 512 x 480. I wonder how many more there are... http://maws.mameworld.info/maws/set/wacko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 "Technologically, the arcade game uses a technique that was popularized by a few Bally Midway games which mixed high resolution foreground sprites with low resolution background displays. Sounds just like the Atari VCS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Ghost Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I thought that MAME was in error when it listed the resolution as 512x448, but that's what it is. That seems unusually high resolution for 1982. However I'm no expert on vintage arcade games so maybe it wasn't. What are some other high res titles from the time period? Funny, I was looking through Supercade by Van Burnham just last night and thought, "Boy, Popeye sure looks a lot sharper than those other games from that period." I guess it was! Anyway, I'm certainly no expert on the topic, but Atari System II used medium-res monitors (512 X 384) beginning in 1986, which is the earliest use I could find: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Atari_System Toobin' also used one in 1988. Beyond that, I don't know. I know this is a bit off topic, but just wanted to chime in to say that I really enjoyed Ban Burnham's Supercade book. Highly recommended reading in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximRecoil Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) 512 x 448 @ 60 Hz isn't possible for Popeye. That resolution would require at least a medium resolution monitor (25 kHz), or possibly a high resolution monitor (31 kHz). However, Popeye used a standard resolution monitor (15 kHz), i.e., the same Sanyo EZ monitors (or sometimes a Sharp equivalent) that Nintendo used in e.g., Donkey Kong, Punch-Out, and all their other arcade machines. 512 x 448 @ 60 Hz will not under any circumstances sync to a standard resolution monitor. However, 512 x 448 @ 30 Hz will sync to a standard resolution monitor, and that's exactly what Nintendo did with Popeye; i.e. Popeye is interlaced. Bally Midway did the same thing with some of their games, e.g. Tapper. To put it in terms that the current HDTV crowd tends to recognize these days, Popeye was roughly 480i while most arcade games of the time were roughly 240p. Both 480i and 240p are "standard definition" resolutions, both require the same horizontal scanning frequency, and a standard resolution TV or monitor can sync to either. Edited May 2, 2011 by MaximRecoil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oky2000 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The backgrounds are also at 512x448 (just crudely designed) so anazingly only Amiga 1000 could ever do an arcade quality copy in the mid 80s. Sprites are very cool indeed. Does any one have arcade graphics rip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 How was Popeye in such high res if it could be swapped out for Mario Bros or Donkey Kong? I figure all those games would run at the same resolution being 'conversion kits' of one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 A lot of the Midway arcade games from 1983 to 1992 (Rampage, Xenophobe, Sarge, et al) were like this too. They had super sharp resolution but cartoony artwork provided by Brian Colin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yep, it is that resolution. But it looks like they didn't take much advantage - Popeye, Olive and Bluto sprites are hires but the backgrounds look mostly chunky. Some incidental objects also appear hires. How technically - entirely possible it used interlaced mode or actually used a monitor with that resolution in progressive. Had a quick look at the Mame driver, didn't reveal much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Cafeman Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Poor 5200 version really mangled little Sweet Pea's graphics on stage 2-- couldn't hope to match the arcade version's detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 One of my favourite Nintendo games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorGamer Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I know this is a bit off topic, but just wanted to chime in to say that I really enjoyed Ban Burnham's Supercade book. Highly recommended reading in my opinion. It's Van Burnham. She actually contacted me via email about a year ago asking if I could send her a picture of my Congorilla control panel. Apparently she had one and was doing a restore. Her book is one of the first that I purchased when I got back into classic gaming. I told her that I love the book. It's a good read with lots of info and great pictures. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Poor 5200 version really mangled little Sweet Pea's graphics on stage 2-- couldn't hope to match the arcade version's detail. When I was growing up I had Popeye on my Atari 400 and played the crap out of it. I had a crappy TV back then that had a really bad overscan problem so the top and sides got cut off until it warmed up. It wasn't until I took it over to my friends house that I noticed that Sweet Pea (and Wimpy for that matter) was even *IN* the game. I thought that his Atari 800 was enhancing the game somehow. True story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oky2000 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 How was Popeye in such high res if it could be swapped out for Mario Bros or Donkey Kong? I figure all those games would run at the same resolution being 'conversion kits' of one another. I'm guessing it's just a trade off for 200% vertical resolution increase for 30fps not 60fps the same way Amigas do. To the video hardware it's still 512x224 x 60 screens each second so still double most arcade games.. It's a shame that so few home computers included selectable interlace feature. The backgrounds are probably simple because... A. Deluce Paint 3 wasn't out B. The small 32ish colour pallette which would flicker like hell without 1000s of shades of colour to smooth out interlace transition flicker between the jarring 2bit palette values. Anyone who has ever seen Workbench 1.x in hi-res interlace vs dynamic interlaced HAM pictures will understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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