EricDeLee Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I have two copies of superman, asteroids, and othello because of rom differences. ?? Rom differences... Can you shed some light on this for me? I am interested in seeing if I need to search my dupes for Carts with a different version of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtshark7 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I have around 14'ish duplicates...that's from buying a light 6-er lot off my friend for $30. I found out they come in handy when you want to replace current crappy label carts with nicer label carts Now most of my duplicates have crappier labels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Bill Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 two words: label variations I collect label variations. I don't just collect general label variations like picture label and text label. I collect every single specific variation. If there is a comma instead of a period it is a variation. Unless a cart is an exact clone of another I consider it a variation. Sometimes I'm even tempted to consider the the numbers imprinted on Atari end labels as variations but that is the only difference I haven't considered an actual difference because I suspect they are similar to serial numbers. I consider my clones the doubles. One of the reasons I'm curious about everyone's doubles is deciding how to get rid of mine. At first I was thinking about making lots with systems but now I'm thinking more along the lines of making one huge lot but having people make their own lots out of it by biding on single carts because making lots with systems probably would only work well on ebay. I would be getting rid of the doubles to make room for more variations so I'm playing around with an idea of accepting variations I don't have as currency along with cash in bids. Some people would bid with cash, some would bid with doubles I need, and some would bid with both. I'm trying to find a solution that I and members of the community can profit from the most. By profit I mean adding to our collections. It is kind of hard to explain. I'm also just curious in general about people's doubles because most threads are about their primary collections. I've come to a point in my collecting that label variations are what keeps things fresh. I have pretty much everything for all the vintage systems except for the ultra high $$$ items. Unless through a miracle thrift / garage sale find, I am not going to acquire a Music Machine or a Quadrun. I have to be ok with that. It's just how it is as I wouldn't pay over $100 for any cart and never have. Finding label variations allows me to add to the collection and keep the thrill of the hunt alive. Unfortunately, in doing so I've aquired probably more than a couple thousand doubles that I keep meaning to start thinning out until every day life things get in the way. Someday..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I have two copies of superman, asteroids, and othello because of rom differences. ?? Rom differences... Can you shed some light on this for me? I am interested in seeing if I need to search my dupes for Carts with a different version of the game. Superman: The original ROM had a bug where you could make the bridge not blow up. Asteroids: One has a titlescreen, one doesn't. They both play the same. Othello: One has grid markers, one doesn't. The computer strategy is a little different between the two. Demon Attack: the original ROM ended after wave 84, later ROMs do not end. Missile Command: The earlier ROM has an easter egg. I heard the later ROM had this removed, but I haven't found one without the egg. There's a few others, but I forget. The ROM comparisons and dumps thread has a lot of useful information. It's a bit long to read, but worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horseboy Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 So did you actually play through wave 84 of Demon Attack or did you dump the rom and compare? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20ohm20 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 My Top 5 Duplicates: 1: Pac-Man (Atari picture label, 1981) - 15 2: Asteroids (Atari picture label) - 7 3: E.T. (Atari silver label) - 6 Pitfall! (Activision standard label) - 6 4: Warlords (Atari picture label) - 5 5: River Raid (Activision standard label) - 4 Space Invaders (Atari text label) - 4 Vanguard (Atari silver label) - 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) So did you actually play through wave 84 of Demon Attack or did you dump the rom and compare? Sorry for the confusion- I haven't made it that far yet, and I haven't dumped the rom, so I don't know which versions might be in the collection. I keep a few copies of Demon Attack on hand, just in case. Edited August 3, 2011 by toiletunes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 I have around 14'ish duplicates...that's from buying a light 6-er lot off my friend for $30. I found out they come in handy when you want to replace current crappy label carts with nicer label carts Now most of my duplicates have crappier labels I do this also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 What I'm actually doing with some of my super amounts of duplicates is to put them for a buck a piece on Ebay. I'll make one listing and let the person choose. Though I'm going to list each individual $1.00 game on Ebid.net since they don't charge me a listing fee. The Demon Attack thing is pretty moot since I can't see anyone playing through 84 levels on every copy they get. And you can say it is the one tha goes past level 84, but the buyer won't know unless they are good enough to get that far. As for Othello, I'm confused with the grid thing. Can you explain this a little better. I'm about to hit my Othello doubles soon. I'm finally getting back to doing my loose games again and work backwards due to the shelving process, so I'm on P right now. Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 My Top 5 Duplicates: 1: Pac-Man (Atari picture label, 1981) - 15 2: Asteroids (Atari picture label) - 7 3: E.T. (Atari silver label) - 6 Pitfall! (Activision standard label) - 6 4: Warlords (Atari picture label) - 5 5: River Raid (Activision standard label) - 4 Space Invaders (Atari text label) - 4 Vanguard (Atari silver label) - 4 There are about 6 Pac-Man (Atari picture label, 1981) variations, 5 Asteroids (Atari picture label) variations, 5 E.T. (Atari silver label) variations, 2 Pitfall! (Activision standard label) variations, 5 Warlords (Atari picture label) variations, 4 River Raid (Activision standard label) variations, 5 Space Invaders (Atari text label) variations, and 2 Vanguard (Atari silver label) variations. http://www.videogamevariations.com/Atari2600.htm I like how you ranked your doubles. When I go through mine I'm going to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 What I'm actually doing with some of my super amounts of duplicates is to put them for a buck a piece on Ebay. I'll make one listing and let the person choose. Though I'm going to list each individual $1.00 game on Ebid.net since they don't charge me a listing fee. The Demon Attack thing is pretty moot since I can't see anyone playing through 84 levels on every copy they get. And you can say it is the one tha goes past level 84, but the buyer won't know unless they are good enough to get that far. As for Othello, I'm confused with the grid thing. Can you explain this a little better. I'm about to hit my Othello doubles soon. I'm finally getting back to doing my loose games again and work backwards due to the shelving process, so I'm on P right now. Phil I would definitely pay a buck each for loose variations I don't have. If you were to provide a list with the letters of the variations from your website then I would buy every single one I don't have. As long as they have both labels, no writing on them, and are in average condition, I would buy them. That would bring me a little closer to my goal of collecting every single label variation in existence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 What I'm actually doing with some of my super amounts of duplicates is to put them for a buck a piece on Ebay. I'll make one listing and let the person choose. Though I'm going to list each individual $1.00 game on Ebid.net since they don't charge me a listing fee. The Demon Attack thing is pretty moot since I can't see anyone playing through 84 levels on every copy they get. And you can say it is the one tha goes past level 84, but the buyer won't know unless they are good enough to get that far. As for Othello, I'm confused with the grid thing. Can you explain this a little better. I'm about to hit my Othello doubles soon. I'm finally getting back to doing my loose games again and work backwards due to the shelving process, so I'm on P right now. Phil I would definitely pay a buck each for loose variations I don't have. If you were to provide a list with the letters of the variations from your website then I would buy every single one I don't have. As long as they have both labels, no writing on them, and are in average condition, I would buy them. That would bring me a little closer to my goal of collecting every single label variation in existence. When I put them up I'll let you know and you can see exactly which versions they are. I don't remember if I mentioned it in my thread, but I came across a new Donkey Kong version. The biggest problem I have with putting new versions is that I like to keep things in order. So if something is dated 1982 and is a new version, and I have 1983 and 1985 also on the list, then the 1983 and 1985 will have their version letter bumped. It's sort of a problem if someone is following the old list. I may have called the 1983 version d and 1985 version e, but if I bump them, the 1982 will be version d, 1983 moved to version e, and 1985 becomes version f. Anything like this I'll note though. Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20ohm20 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 There are about 6 Pac-Man (Atari picture label, 1981) variations, 5 Asteroids (Atari picture label) variations, 5 E.T. (Atari silver label) variations, 2 Pitfall! (Activision standard label) variations, 5 Warlords (Atari picture label) variations, 4 River Raid (Activision standard label) variations, 5 Space Invaders (Atari text label) variations, and 2 Vanguard (Atari silver label) variations. Ok... 1: Pac-Man (Atari picture label, 1981, version "a") - 13 2: Asteroids (Atari picture label, version "b") - 6 3: E.T. (Atari silver label, version "a") - 5 Pitfall! (Activision standard label, version "a") - 5 Warlords (Atari picture label, version "a") - 5 4: River Raid (Activision standard label, version "b") - 4 Vanguard (Atari silver label, version "a") - 4 5: It's late and I'm not doing any more of this tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 There are about 6 Pac-Man (Atari picture label, 1981) variations, 5 Asteroids (Atari picture label) variations, 5 E.T. (Atari silver label) variations, 2 Pitfall! (Activision standard label) variations, 5 Warlords (Atari picture label) variations, 4 River Raid (Activision standard label) variations, 5 Space Invaders (Atari text label) variations, and 2 Vanguard (Atari silver label) variations. Ok... 1: Pac-Man (Atari picture label, 1981, version "a") - 13 2: Asteroids (Atari picture label, version "b") - 6 3: E.T. (Atari silver label, version "a") - 5 Pitfall! (Activision standard label, version "a") - 5 Warlords (Atari picture label, version "a") - 5 4: River Raid (Activision standard label, version "b") - 4 Vanguard (Atari silver label, version "a") - 4 5: It's late and I'm not doing any more of this tonight. Looks like you have less doubles. Phil's and Rom's sites have helped me get rid of a lot of doubles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 What I'm actually doing with some of my super amounts of duplicates is to put them for a buck a piece on Ebay. I'll make one listing and let the person choose. Though I'm going to list each individual $1.00 game on Ebid.net since they don't charge me a listing fee. The Demon Attack thing is pretty moot since I can't see anyone playing through 84 levels on every copy they get. And you can say it is the one tha goes past level 84, but the buyer won't know unless they are good enough to get that far. As for Othello, I'm confused with the grid thing. Can you explain this a little better. I'm about to hit my Othello doubles soon. I'm finally getting back to doing my loose games again and work backwards due to the shelving process, so I'm on P right now. Phil I would definitely pay a buck each for loose variations I don't have. If you were to provide a list with the letters of the variations from your website then I would buy every single one I don't have. As long as they have both labels, no writing on them, and are in average condition, I would buy them. That would bring me a little closer to my goal of collecting every single label variation in existence. When I put them up I'll let you know and you can see exactly which versions they are. I don't remember if I mentioned it in my thread, but I came across a new Donkey Kong version. The biggest problem I have with putting new versions is that I like to keep things in order. So if something is dated 1982 and is a new version, and I have 1983 and 1985 also on the list, then the 1983 and 1985 will have their version letter bumped. It's sort of a problem if someone is following the old list. I may have called the 1983 version d and 1985 version e, but if I bump them, the 1982 will be version d, 1983 moved to version e, and 1985 becomes version f. Anything like this I'll note though. Phil I don't think I would need a note to clarify the above. I know the way you organize them. Also, I don't discriminate against PAL. Anyway, about how many loose doubles you think you have? About how big would the list be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Too many games to list....my quantity of 2600 doubles at this point are somewhere in the 1500 range...I haven't posted a F/S thread in a while...maybe this weekend! How did you get them all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Nice. I have to be around 1000+. I am in serious need of a purge. Too many games to list....my quantity of 2600 doubles at this point are somewhere in the 1500 range...I haven't posted a F/S thread in a while...maybe this weekend! How did you get them all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I have two copies of superman, asteroids, and othello because of rom differences. ?? Rom differences... Can you shed some light on this for me? I am interested in seeing if I need to search my dupes for Carts with a different version of the game. Superman: The original ROM had a bug where you could make the bridge not blow up. Asteroids: One has a titlescreen, one doesn't. They both play the same. Othello: One has grid markers, one doesn't. The computer strategy is a little different between the two. Demon Attack: the original ROM ended after wave 84, later ROMs do not end. Missile Command: The earlier ROM has an easter egg. I heard the later ROM had this removed, but I haven't found one without the egg. There's a few others, but I forget. The ROM comparisons and dumps thread has a lot of useful information. It's a bit long to read, but worth it. Much appreciated information. I would love to know if there is an easy way to know which version of the ROM is in the cart. Do some of these have different label variations that let you know it is a different version? Should there be something to look at... or do I have to pop in the sucker and just give it a try? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The only surefire way is to plug them in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) As for Othello, I'm confused with the grid thing. Can you explain this a little better. The easiest way to explain this is with a picture- The Othello screenshots at Atariage have the grid markers. http://www.atariage.com/screenshot_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=335 The screenshots at Atarimania do not. http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-othello_8211.html Edited August 3, 2011 by toiletunes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 As for Othello, I'm confused with the grid thing. Can you explain this a little better. The easiest way to explain this is with a picture- The Othello screenshots at Atariage have the grid markers. http://www.atariage.com/screenshot_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=335 The screenshots at Atarimania do not. http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-othello_8211.html I see. The next question is where these variations occur. Are they on the text label? picture label? Both? Schizo, as for the list of my duplicates, go to my gpdgames link and I should have a text list somewhere. It's accurate for R-Y, and I think pretty accurate for most of the others. Anything you see, just doublecheck with me. That is not the $1 list, though some of the titles are at $1 or less such as Combat and such. As for Asteroids, it'll take awhile to get to it, and review everything you've submitted to see what are variations and how I need to list/describe them along with how many of each I have. Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The next question is where these variations occur. Are they on the text label? picture label? Both? My text label Othello does not have grid markers, but I wouldn't count on all text labels being the same. In general, it seems like the early (text) label could be either rom and the later (pic) label usually has the bugfix- but this is just a theory. For the record, in my collection: Superman (text) has the cheat bug, (pic) does not. Asteroids (sears text) has no copyright, (atari pic) does. hope this helps... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Superman text with 1 line copyright is the error, 2 line copyright is the fix. As for Asteroids, I'll have to check my 30+ copies and see which have the copyright opening screen and which don't, and which label versions they are. It's going to be fun. Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 Superman text with 1 line copyright is the error, 2 line copyright is the fix. As for Asteroids, I'll have to check my 30+ copies and see which have the copyright opening screen and which don't, and which label versions they are. It's going to be fun. Phil With Asteroids, I originally saw a correlation between the half rock and the full rock variations with the ROM difference but I was wrong. Each label variation has both versions of the ROM. I consider the ROM difference in the same label variation two different label variations. It's probably the same with the Atari Corp. variations. With Atari Corp it probably wouldn't be on purpose though because they were so sloppy that they couldn't tell a paddle from a joystick. It would be funny if the copyright notice is in the red Atari Corp. label variation because on the label it has the original 1979 copyright but it would have the 1981 Atari Inc. copyright on the screen. Someone that didn't know the history would think that Atari Corp. time traveled back to 1979 to get the copyright before Atari Inc. did in 1981. Please still do your test though. You might find it in one more often or you might find that it is 50/50 through the variations. Since I originally thought I saw a correlation that could be a sign that it isn't 50/50. If it isn't 50/50 then the exact same label variation could have two different rarities. I don't see why it would be 50/50. I doubt they would put a different ROM in every other cart. It is probably something like 60/40 or 70/30. Answers to questions like this is the reason I would love to see a system where we register our collections and a program ranks the rarity of these kind of things amongst collectors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 As for Othello, I'm confused with the grid thing. Can you explain this a little better. The easiest way to explain this is with a picture- The Othello screenshots at Atariage have the grid markers. http://www.atariage.com/screenshot_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=335 The screenshots at Atarimania do not. http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-othello_8211.html I see. The next question is where these variations occur. Are they on the text label? picture label? Both? Schizo, as for the list of my duplicates, go to my gpdgames link and I should have a text list somewhere. It's accurate for R-Y, and I think pretty accurate for most of the others. Anything you see, just doublecheck with me. That is not the $1 list, though some of the titles are at $1 or less such as Combat and such. As for Asteroids, it'll take awhile to get to it, and review everything you've submitted to see what are variations and how I need to list/describe them along with how many of each I have. Phil I can't believe I never clicked on that link before. I have clicked on all of yours many of times except that one. It is obviously going to take a while to sort through what I have and your list. I'll probably list every single variation I don't have in you label variation website, put that list in the wanted section in the market place, and then I'll go through that list and compare it to what you have for sale. After that hopefully others can fill in some gaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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