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#1 dudeslife OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 7:58 PM

For most retro system users (atari, commodore, tandy), there is a sharing of resources (books, magazines, etc) with others of the same interests. And then there are the Apple II users who seem to want to hoard their books and magazines and try to command ridiculous prices on Ebay for them. There are no Incider pdf caches or Apple II book pdf collections like we have for C64/128 and Atari computers. Sure you can find a few pdfs here and there but nowhere near the amount of the other retro systems. Why are the Apple II users different?

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 7:59 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:05 PM

That's an interesting question.

I remember several Apple II mags being in print simultaneously as well. Does anyone know how many Apple II mags there were?

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:08 PM

an obviously there are some Apple II users who do try to get the retro stuff out to the masses.. There are a few in this forum who graciously scan manuals and such.. but wow, for the longest running production of a retro computer, there are paltry pickings of "preservationist" reading material..

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:11 PM

And then there are the Apple II users who seem to want to hoard their books and magazines and try to command ridiculous prices on Ebay for them.

The Asimov FTP site was one of the earliest and best resources for software for any system.
Apple II users lead the way there, and it's still a great resource...
That said, a lot of Apple merchandise is rather spendy on e-bay... Supply and demand, I'd say..

There are no ..... Apple II book pdf collections like we have for C64/128 and Atari computers.

As for books:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q...le ii books pdf

That turns up some decent books..
I stopped counting after 50 or so PDFs among the listed sites..

There are no Incider pdf caches


True, those damn selfish pigs!!!
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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:15 PM


And then there are the Apple II users who seem to want to hoard their books and magazines and try to command ridiculous prices on Ebay for them.

The Asimov FTP site was one of the earliest and best resources for software for any system.
Apple II users lead the way there, and it's still a great resource...


I am speaking mainly of magazines and books (Compute's, BASIC programming, etc). Every disk image in Apple history is pretty easy to find.

and that pdf search yields nothing.. most of those sites have the same small selection of scans (mostly the manuals that came with the system) or worse, jpg images of the cover of the book they are so proud to own but not scan and preserve. the dude here with the Scribd account offers a better selection than those sites.. apple2history.org offers a whopping 3 books.

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:23 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:22 PM

and that pdf search yields nothing..

Hmmm...

Manuals
Installation instructions for the Disk II - Html
Apple II pinouts - Html
Apple II CDROM INFO - Txt
Apple II Reference Manual (Red Book) 90Mb - Pdf
Apple II Reference Manual (Red Book) 38Mb - Zip
Apple II - Technical notes - Html
Apple II mini manual 3.2Mb - Pdf
Ap-64e - Eprom writer - For Apple II, II+, IIe, III 43Kb - Pdf
AW3 Expander user's manual 141Kb - Pdf
Programmer's aid #1 284Kb - Pdf
Apple II Woz Wonder book 9.2Mb - Pdf
Beneath Apple DOS 16Mb - Pdf
Apple II Basic Programming Manual 13Mb - Pdf
Apple II Basic Programming Reference Manual (Green) 15Mb - Pdf
Apple II Super Serial Card - Installation and Operating Manual 20Mb - Pdf
Apple II Parallel Interface Card - Installation and Operating Manual 7.8Mb - Pdf
Zip Chip 8Mhz - Instruction Manual 3.7Mb - Pdf
Understanding the Apple II 82Mb - Pdf
Appli-Card 4.4Mb - Pdf
PC Transporter User's Manual v1.31 1,.5Mb - Pdf
Audio Animator - User's Guide 4.5Mb - Pdf
Apple ][ Reference Manual 14.7Mb - Pdf
Beagle Bros Card 883Kb - Pdf
Copy II PLus Version 9 18,8Mb - Pdf
PC Transporter Install Video (mpeg) 233Mb - Zip
Z-80 Plus 4.7Mb - Pdf
Manx Aztec CG65 9.8Mb - Pdf
Using Apple Writer II on the Apple II Unidisk 3.5 389Kb - Pdf
Apple Writer II Word Processing Language 6Mb - Pdf
Apple Writer II User's Manual 13.5Mb - Pdf
Now that you know APPLE ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE: What can you do with it? 26Mb - Pdf
Midi interface Users Manual - Passport 1.7mB - Pdf
S.A.M. The software automatic mouth 1.4Mb - Pdf
Zip Chip - Instruction Manual 5.1Mb - Pdf
Apple II SCSI Card 6.8Mb - Pdf
Apple II SCSI Card Owner's Guide 8.4Mb - Pdf
Locksmith 6.0 User's Manual 14Mb - Pdf
Apple Memo 10Mb - Pdf
Apple ][ ProDOS 1.7 2.9Mb - Pdf
Disk ][ Technical procedures 6.9Mb - Pdf
Disk Operating system 3.2 28Mb - Pdf
Apple Service Technical Procedures - Cross Family Peripherals - Volume 1 - April 1991 8.7Mb - Pdf
Apple Service Level I-Technical Procedures-Sep1982 2Mb - Pdf
AppleII Human Interface Guidelines1985 9Mb - Pdf
DClock - Users Manual v1.0 1.5Mb - Pdf
Programmer's Aid #1 - Installation and Operating Manual 279Kb - Pdf
The Apple II Guide-Fall1990 19Mb - Pdf
Videx Enhancer II - Installation and Operation Manual 3Mb - Pdf
Videx Lower Case Chip - Manual 34Kb - Pdf
ZIP CHIP - Manual 3.7MB - Pdf
ZIP Chip Manual v1 1987 5Mb - Pdf
ZIP CHIP Manual v2 2.1Mb - Pdf
ZIP CHIP Manual v3 3.7Mb - Pdf
Graphics Tablet - Operation and reference manual 6Mb - Pdf
6502 Disassembler 980Kb - Pdf
Apple II Monitor Peeled 13Mb - Pdf
Apple II interfacing 37Mb - Pdf
Errata to the Applesoft Tutorial 214Kb - Pdf
Beagle Brothers - 6502 Instructions 184Kb -
Beagle Brothers - Tips, tricks, and Techniques 299Kb -
Supplement to Beneath Apple ProDOS for ProDOS 8, Versions 1.2 and 1.3 8.2Mb - Pdf
Supplement to Beneath Apple ProDOS for ProDOS Versions 1.01 and 1.02 5.9Mb - Pdf
Supplement to Beneath Apple ProDOS for ProDOS Versions 1.1.1 6.5Mb - Pdf
How to program Apple II using 6502 Assembly Language 19.5Mb - Pdf
Apple II Computer Graphics 8.5Mb - Pdf
Apple II technical procedures (section 3) 152Kb - Pdf
Disk II technical procedures 1Mb - Pdf


That was the 3rd on the list...

Nothing???

hmmm...

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:29 PM


and that pdf search yields nothing..

Hmmm...

Manuals


I edited my post but I guess you missed it. Yeah, those manuals are everywhere.. that's not what I am talking about. I dont really want a SCSI card owners manual.. I am talking about the numerous third party published books and magazines that I can find 500 of for c64 or atari... you know, Computes 2nd book of Apple, 3rd book of Apple, Sams Apple IIe Programming Reference, etc.

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:31 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:33 PM

You know that a lot of those in the list are 3rd party????

And a lot of the manuals on Commodore and other sites are also non-3rd party manuals...

Oh well...

True, there isn't something that makes it that easy for you..
You would have to search a bit..
I agree with that..

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:42 PM

You know that a lot of those in the list are 3rd party????

And a lot of the manuals on Commodore and other sites are also non-3rd party manuals...

Oh well...

True, there isn't something that makes it that easy for you..
You would have to search a bit..
I agree with that..

desiv


Try not to be a little douche.. Did I hurt your feeling when I told u your list was crap? I gave you examples of what I was looking for. you didn't really provide anything useful. Thanks for trying though.

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:43 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:44 PM

Try not to be a little douche.. I gave you examples of what I was looking for.

Insults are very adult.. ;-)

And I was giving you information. You refused to use the search.
When I did it for you, you didn't read the list.
When I pointed it out, you ignored it..

Hmm

:-) :-)

Have a good evening..

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:47 PM

Insults are very adult.. ;-)

And I was giving you information. You refused to use the search.


You started it. :)

Obviously I google'd and found the same crap.

Not my problem that you can't understand that I am not looking for owner manuals to hardware.. that list is useless.

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:50 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:51 PM

I am not looking for owner manuals to hardware.. that list is useless.


Apple II Woz Wonder book 9.2Mb - Pdf
Beneath Apple DOS 16Mb - Pdf
Now that you know APPLE ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE: What can you do with it? 26Mb - Pdf
How to program Apple II using 6502 Assembly Language 19.5Mb - Pdf
Apple II Computer Graphics 8.5Mb - Pdf


Yep..
All hardware owners manuals..

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:54 PM

I am not looking for owner manuals to hardware.. that list is useless.


Apple II Woz Wonder book 9.2Mb - Pdf
Beneath Apple DOS 16Mb - Pdf
Now that you know APPLE ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE: What can you do with it? 26Mb - Pdf
How to program Apple II using 6502 Assembly Language 19.5Mb - Pdf
Apple II Computer Graphics 8.5Mb - Pdf

desiv


way to cherry pick from your useless list..

got all of those. not looking for them. goto bed.

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:55 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:59 PM

way to cherry pick from your useless list..
got all of those. not looking for them. goto bed.


How do we know if it's useless if you don't tell us what you are looking for???
You asked for some.
I gave you some.
You are upset because you don't want "those", but how do we know?

Or should we just keep searching for you until we find what you won't tell us you are looking for??

If YOU answered someone's very generic request, and they said "that's not specifically what I wanted," would that sound douchey?
:-)

Also, this site has a good selection:
http://www.apple2onl...3_Games-Library
..has some game manual PDFs in it...
http://www.apple2onl...ntation-Library
Various documentation (Careful, some of it is hardware...)

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Edited by desiv, Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:03 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:02 PM


You know that a lot of those in the list are 3rd party????

And a lot of the manuals on Commodore and other sites are also non-3rd party manuals...

Oh well...

True, there isn't something that makes it that easy for you..
You would have to search a bit..
I agree with that..

desiv


Try not to be a little douche.. Did I hurt your feeling when I told u your list was crap? I gave you examples of what I was looking for. you didn't really provide anything useful. Thanks for trying though.

Thats desiv for you.

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:03 PM


way to cherry pick from your useless list..
got all of those. not looking for them. goto bed.


How do we know if it's useless if you don't tell us what you are looking for???
You asked for some.
I gave you some.
You are upset because you don't want "those", but how do we know?

Or should we just keep searching for you until we find what you won't tell us you are looking for??

If YOU answered someone's very generic request, and they said "that's not specifically what I wanted," would that sound douchey?
:-)

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I gave you examples with specific titles of what I am looking for.. obviously you are more interested in polluting the thread than actually reading my posts. nice job...

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:11 PM

Also, this site has a good selection:
http://www.apple2onl...3_Games-Library


not looking for games chief..

http://www.apple2online.com/index.php?p=1_2_Documentation-Library
Various documentation (Careful, some of it is hardware...)

desiv


yeah, more or less the same 40 or so pdfs that every other site has.. a lot of useless hardware manuals or the manuals that came with the computer..

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:13 PM

More thread pollution (I edited this into my earlier post, but it got buried by a few posts..)

Also, this site has a good selection:
http://www.apple2onl...3_Games-Library
..has some game manual PDFs in it...
http://www.apple2onl...ntation-Library
Various documentation (Careful, some of it is hardware...)

Also this site has lots, including some on your list (Compute's first book of Apple):
http://www.classiccm...cini/pdf/Apple/

(update)
Damnit.. You wanted the 2nd book of Apple, not the first..
Great.. I'll probably get slammed for missing that.. Sorry..

Sorry if I didn't find this sooner for you.. ;-)

I really am trying to help...

desiv
p.s. Atarian63? We disagreed about the Commodore stuff, but I didn't know you were still mad at me for some reason????

Edited by desiv, Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:15 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:17 PM

Also this site has lots, including some on your list (Compute's first book of Apple):
http://www.classiccm...cini/pdf/Apple/


lol. you really can't see that those are the same pdfs again? and I didn't list Computes First Book (2nd and 3rd). But you are making my point for me though. So thanks.

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:18 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:20 PM

Damnit.. You wanted the 2nd book of Apple, not the first..
Great.. I'll probably get slammed for missing that.. Sorry..


I didn't list Computes First Book. But you are making my point for me though


<sigh>

This looks like it's the SAMS book in your list???:
http://apple2online....r__s_manual.pdf

desiv

Edited by desiv, Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:24 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:30 PM

This looks like it's the SAMS book in your list???:
http://apple2online....r__s_manual.pdf

desiv


Really? 30 whole pages? do you think?

<sigh>

why don't you use your powers to find me an Incider magazine pdf cache.. you may have better luck.

Edited by dudeslife, Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:32 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:36 PM

Really? 30 whole pages? do you think?

<sigh>

why don't you use your powers to find me an Incider magazine pdf cache.. you may have better luck.


Dang it.. Oh well... Didn't notice it was just 30 pages... Sorry..

Been checking for Incider.. I'll let you know what I find..
(Judging by tonight's experience, I might find a few pages of Indexes and some ads. :-)

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:40 PM

I haven't found many third-party magazines online. I would love to go back and read through more.

I met Ken from Apple2Online a few months back, and I enjoyed talking with him for over an hour. IIRC, he agreed there was a shortage of Apple II magazines, and wondered why more Apple users hadn't made the material available. He did his part with the Apple IIgs Buyer's Guide :)

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:49 PM

Yeah, the magazines are sparse..
I did find some 15 page excerpts from Incider on asimov, but decided not to post the link this time.. ;-)
(I rarely make the same mistake twice.. I am great at making all new mistakes tho.. ;-) )

Interesting, as one would assume Apple users frequently became Mac users who loved DTP and scanners.
Although, maybe they loved it so much that they still vigorously respect copyrights.. ;-)

I'll keep browsing, but it's looking really dead for the magazines..

desiv

Edited by desiv, Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:49 PM.


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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2011 10:04 PM

Micro supported the Apple and has a torrent.
Compute had a lot of Apple stuff and has a torrent.
Softside supported the Apple and has a torrent.
The nibble archive can be purchased but scans are B&W and I've heard complaints about the quality.
C.A.L.L. Apple used to be downloadable but I'm not sure if it still can be.
Apple Assembly Line used to be downloadable.

A+, Incider, SoftTalk... missing in action.




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