Gunstar Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 November Morning. NTSC, 45 colors. PAL, 37 colors. Shelby Cobra. NTSC, 54 colors. PAL, 62 colors (yes, this PAL actually has more colors!) Tiger Family. NTSC, 82 colors. For the time being, Tiger Family is NTSC only. I have not gotten a satisfactory conversion on PAL yet. But this picture looks o.k, on PAL systems, the tigers are just a bit more pink than orange. NovemberMorningNTSC.xex NovemberMorningPAL.xex TigerFamilyNTSC.xex ShelbyCobraNTSC.xex ShelbyCobraPAL.xex 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) wow! I'm jealous of the vibrancy of the red color. Best I've ever seen on my NTSC monitors and TVs is just a touch better than a sort of crimson red and only by pushing saturation too high making all other colors suffer. p.s. I'm really impressed by your recent conversions of car photographs. I'm glad to hear it looks good on NTSC too. That's what's so nice about the 1200XL's chroma circuit when it's working properly, you get that great saturation level at default TV/monitor settings and there is no bleeding or other colors suffering. That circuit, along with the basic SV 2.1 mod for sharpness and clarity, that the s-video picture comes close to RGB/YUV color and sharpness. That, plus the lack of scan-lines on an LDC screen just put it over the top! Edited July 4, 2017 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) wow! I'm jealous of the vibrancy of the red color. Best I've ever seen on my NTSC monitors and TVs is just a touch better than a sort of crimson red and only by pushing saturation too high making all other colors suffer. p.s. I'm really impressed by your recent conversions of car photographs. I mis-understood you when I first read this post. I mis-read it as the NTSC "Cherry" hot rod .xex was the best red you've seen on your NTSC TV. In proper response; The better the source video...turning up the saturation is the same as pushing the volume way up on a cheap low-amp stereo and cheap speakers and you get all the distortion. Proper amplification and good speakers solve the issue. The chroma circuit in the 1200XL is like a pre-amp for the color saturation, but Atari screwed it up, so it has to be fixed along with the whole video circuit from stock, like on most Atari 8-bits, hence all the video hacks and now even a new video board(s). Edited July 4, 2017 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Sorry. I didn't realize that my statements were confusing. I meant that a dull crimson red is the best that I've witnessed on my NTSC Ataris, 800 and 800XL (currently) I was jealous of your 1200XL's capture and the "cherry" red color demonstrated by your appropriately named Rasta conversion. The "CherryRed Hot Rod" at least is actually red, such that it is, on my 800XL and not at all like the maroon color that appears in your emulator screenshots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwilove Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Some more - from Meg Ryan? StreetFighter 2 - SNES screens, Mario 64 from N64 and Sonic from MegaDrive/Genesis Harvey MegaRyan-2.xexSF2-ChunLi-01.xexSF2-SNES.xexSMario-64-2.xexSonic-08Z.xex 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Even 8-bit Meg Ryan is smoking hot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Sorry. I didn't realize that my statements were confusing. I meant that a dull crimson red is the best that I've witnessed on my NTSC Ataris, 800 and 800XL (currently) I was jealous of your 1200XL's capture and the "cherry" red color demonstrated by your appropriately named Rasta conversion. The "CherryRed Hot Rod" at least is actually red, such that it is, on my 800XL and not at all like the maroon color that appears in your emulator screenshots. The original source was a dark cherry red, Rasta Converter made the output.png's look wine or almost plum red, but the actual screen shot I showed is much closer to the original image color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwilove Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Some more - the Amiga Juggler, Amiga Tutankhamun, Lady Elche, Nefertiti - modern versions Nina Williams from Tekken 6 publicity art, Ryu vs Guile SF2 (looks like MegaDrive version?) and coin-op Xevious mothership Harvey Nefertiti-modern.xexTekken6-NinaW.xexSF2-Ryu-vs-Guile.xexXevious-mothership.xex Amiga-Juggler.xexAmiga-Tutankhamen.xexLadyElche-09X.xexLady-Elche-colour.xexNefertiti-new.xexNefertiti-new2.xex Edited July 5, 2017 by kiwilove 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) The original source was a dark cherry red, Rasta Converter made the output.png's look wine or almost plum red, but the actual screen shot I showed is much closer to the original image color. With my monitor and scan converter set to factory defaults I see what I would call a dark cherry red, a "bing cherry" red rather than a "marachino cherry" red. Your 1200XL capture looks closer to the latter (as seen from my laptop's display). Less vibrant than say fire engine red and less say than that Italian car brand's red (not to mention any names). I'm already off topic but you have me intrigued about the possibility of seeing a subjectively better red on my 800's with one of the new A8 video upgrades. Something to think about... Thanks for the information (and these picture conversions). Edited July 5, 2017 by a8isa1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwilove Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 More... some cartoon fan art, women, ST pic and Amiga pics Harvey Futurama.xexLilo-Stitch--.xexSpaceAce--Fanart.xexLaraCroft.xexMarilyn.xexMarilyn-03.xexSophiaLoren.xexSarah-Shahi.xexST-Worm--.xexFashion.xexKlingonShip.xex MyNeighbourTotoro.xex 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) Here is one for PAL only for now, both dithered and non-dithered versions. This is one that I have attempted many times over the past months, these are the first I think barely make the grade. I just had to get it out and be done with it. I've done several Iron Maiden conversions, but I'm a bigger fan of the art than the music. Iron Maiden Trooper. PAL 62 colors, dithered 55 colors. IronMaidenTrooperPAL.xex IronMaidenTrooperPALd.xex Edited July 8, 2017 by Gunstar 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwilove Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 More... 2 pics I drew on the ST did convert reasonably well down to 8-bit - of the Dunedin Railway Station and of the Robbie Burns in front of St Pauls Cathedral in the Octagon. A volleyball clip-art pic I found somewhere - and an Amiga Deluxe Paint II example pic of a brunette. Harvey. RailwayStation.xexRobbieBurns.xexVolleyball--.xexAmiga-Brunette.xex 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirx Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 looking at the pics got a simple idea - rasta rasta converter - a batch starting several rastas with different dithering and other settings at once. on multi core processors it could generate pics in parallel and after some time one could choose the best and kill the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Inspired by The Trooper above: 40 colours ivop-piece_of_mind.xex 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) Inspired by The Trooper above: piece_of_mind.png 40 colours I assume a PAL palette was used but the conversion looks more menacing in NTSC mode. Scariest thing to appear on my A8 since the Rescue on Fractalus incident [edit] Oops! I forgot my colors in Altirra are tweaked in an attempt to bring the visuals more in line with my scan converter's and VGA monitor's default settings I assume my hardware is pretty far off of what it should be but this is somewhat like I see it. Sorry but it's a screenshot. I don't have a working camera. Edited July 8, 2017 by a8isa1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Yeah, it looks a bit more ghoulish with the NTSC palette Here's another one from a favorite band: I cut it out with The Gimp from the original album cover. The whole cover did not fare well 37 colours, PAL. ivop-pal-misplaced_childhood.xex 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Yeah, it looks a bit more ghoulish with the NTSC palette Here's another one from a favorite band: .. .. Woooow. Really beautiful. madi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Inspired by the Iron Maiden head shot above, I thought I'd do a head shot of my own. Boba Fett. NTSC, NTSC non-dithered, 72 colors. Dithered 81 colors. PAL, non-dithered 63 colors. Dithered 60 colors. BobafetNTSC.xex BobafetNTSC2.xex BobafetPAL.xex BobafetPAL2.xex 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Yeah, it looks a bit more ghoulish with the NTSC palette Here's another one from a favorite band: ivop-pal-misplaced_childhood.png I cut it out with The Gimp from the original album cover. The whole cover did not fare well 37 colours, PAL. Not many folks these days remember Marillion. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 The whole cover did not fare well Well... MC.xex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Help! Jeb Kerman is lost in 8-bit space! In Altirra: On real hardware - looks much better to my eye: Venkman_KSP_NTSC.xex 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Iron Maiden Trooper for NTSC. 74 colors. Thunderbird 4. NTSC 69 colors. PAL 56 colors. Thunderbird 3. NTSC 49 colors. PAL 45 colors. TrooperNTSC.xex Thunderbird4NTSC.xex Thunderbird4PAL.xex Thunderbird3NTSC.xex Thunderbird3PAL.xex 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwilove Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 A mixed bag of pictures... Harvey Meier-UFO.xexArt-ChineseGirl-.xexHarvey--.xexST-Raisins--.xexJesusChristSuperstar.xex Beamship-1975.xex 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Thunderbird 2. NTSC 80 colors. PAL 67 colors. This one seems very weird to me, the image on the right is the PAL picture, and it looks like it has the most colors! Thunderbird2NTSC.xex Thunderbird2PAL.xex Edited July 12, 2017 by Gunstar 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Thunderbird 1, 32 colors. Thunderbirds Are Go! 71 colors. F.A.B Sorry NTSC guys, I'm done doubling my Rasta work load to get out NTSC conversions. Back to PAL only for me. Time for someone with an NTSC computer to step up. If someone begs, I may do these last two to finish off the series for Thunderbird crafts, Though TB5 was never done in NTSC either. But I know I'm in the minority as an American Thunderbird/Gerry Anderson fan anyway, and it shows in the ratio of PAL vs. NTSC Thunderbird image downloads. PAL owners are more familiar and bigger fans of the stuff obviously. Thunderbird1.xex ThunderbirdsAreGo.xex Edited July 12, 2017 by Gunstar 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like us on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter
AtariAge on Instagram
Watch us on YouTube
Chat on Discord
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.