oldschool84 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 All, Just got a Lantronix UDS1100 and Atari 850 Interface box. I noticed the cable that came with the Lantronix device had a female serial plug. The Atari 850 also has female serial plugs. Do I need to do anything special here like hack the cable or will a simple female to male adaptor work? Sorry if this was already covered. I searched and couldn't find anyone mentioning a cable hack or adaptor... Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 All, Just got a Lantronix UDS1100 and Atari 850 Interface box. I noticed the cable that came with the Lantronix device had a female serial plug. The Atari 850 also has female serial plugs. Do I need to do anything special here like hack the cable or will a simple female to male adaptor work? Sorry if this was already covered. I searched and couldn't find anyone mentioning a cable hack or adaptor... Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) The 850 serial port pin-out is different than the PC DE-9 serial port so it will likely take a custom cable to connect the 850 to the UDS1100. 850 Serial port pinouts PC DE-9 Serial port pinout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 I am assuming Port R1 on the Atari 850 is what I should use when mapping to PC DE-9? Thanks! Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 The cable you need is the modem cable for the 850/PR Connection. If you're not up for doing it yourself. I think Bravo Sierra Computers sells them for about $10 and they can be found on ebay from time to time. I'm sure the other Atari dealers sell them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 The cable you need is the modem cable for the 850/PR Connection. If you're not up for doing it yourself. I think Bravo Sierra Computers sells them for about $10 and they can be found on ebay from time to time. I'm sure the other Atari dealers sell them too. I doubt an 850 modem cable would work since both devices have DE9 jacks, even with the cable he would then probably need a DB25 to DE9 null-modem adapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 Ok. So I got a Serial DB9 male-to-male cable and I hacked it. Atari 850 Port #1 has: 5 4 3 2 1 9 8 7 6 1-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) 2-CRX (Carrier Detect) 3-XMT (Send Data) 4-RCV (Receive Data) 5-GND (Signal Ground) 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) 7-RTS (Request to Send) 8-CTS (Clear to Send) 9-UNUSED Lantronix UDS1100 serial cable end (I believe) is: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1-CD (Carrier Detect) 2-RXD (Receive Data) 3-TXD (Transmit Data) 4-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) 5-GND (System Ground) 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) 7-RTS (Request to Send) 8-CTS (Clear to Send) 9-RI (Ring Indicator) I believe I need to tie: (Atari 850 to Lantronix UDS1100 serial cable end) 1-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) with 4-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) 2-CRX (Carrier Detect) with 1-CD (Carrier Detect) 3-XMT (Send Data) with 3-TXD (Transmit Data) 4-RCV (Receive Data) with 2-RXD (Receive Data) 5-GND (Signal Ground) with 5-GND (System Ground) 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) with 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) 7-RTS (Request to Send) with 7-RTS (Request to Send) 8-CTS (Clear to Send) with 8-CTS (Clear to Send) 9-UNUSED with 9-RI (Ring Indicator) - Figured it wouldn't hurt. When I load up BOBTERM 1.21 via APE (Modem emulation off) and go into terminal mode, I see hearts scrolling across the screen nonstop. it will not stop until I turn off the atari 850. What did I screw up? Thanks! Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Ok. So I got a Serial DB9 male-to-male cable and I hacked it. Atari 850 Port #1 has: 5 4 3 2 1 9 8 7 6 1-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) 2-CRX (Carrier Detect) 3-XMT (Send Data) 4-RCV (Receive Data) 5-GND (Signal Ground) 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) 7-RTS (Request to Send) 8-CTS (Clear to Send) 9-UNUSED Lantronix UDS1100 serial cable end (I believe) is: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1-CD (Carrier Detect) 2-RXD (Receive Data) 3-TXD (Transmit Data) 4-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) 5-GND (System Ground) 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) 7-RTS (Request to Send) 8-CTS (Clear to Send) 9-RI (Ring Indicator) I believe I need to tie: (Atari 850 to Lantronix UDS1100 serial cable end) 1-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) with 4-DTR (Data Terminal Ready) 2-CRX (Carrier Detect) with 1-CD (Carrier Detect) 3-XMT (Send Data) with 3-TXD (Transmit Data) 4-RCV (Receive Data) with 2-RXD (Receive Data) 5-GND (Signal Ground) with 5-GND (System Ground) 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) with 6-DSR (Data Set Ready) 7-RTS (Request to Send) with 7-RTS (Request to Send) 8-CTS (Clear to Send) with 8-CTS (Clear to Send) 9-UNUSED with 9-RI (Ring Indicator) - Figured it wouldn't hurt. When I load up BOBTERM 1.21 via APE (Modem emulation off) and go into terminal mode, I see hearts scrolling across the screen nonstop. it will not stop until I turn off the atari 850. What did I screw up? Thanks! Terry (Oldschool84) You need to be careful about pinouts, male/female DE9 connections are reverse order. Since both cable ends are the same they will both have the same numbering sequence, the connectors should have markings indicating the pin numbers. Since both devices are DE9 female they are most likely both DTE and need to be connected via a null-modem cable. Following is a link to a null-modem cable pinout for a standard PC DE9 connection, you will need to adapt one end for the 850 serial port pinout. http://www.aggsoft.c...-db9-to-db9.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 So you are saying if I buy this cable, I don't have to hack it (cut it in half and match DTRs, DSRs, CTSs, RTSs, ....)? Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) Oh crap. I think I know what you are saying... Yes the db9 end of the Lantronix cable is female and we all know that atari 850 serial ports are female as well. Therefore I shouldn't do a straight through connection, I should use the below mapping instead, correct? Looks like I need to twist "data set ready" and "carrier detect" together as well, correct? DB9-1 DB-2 Receive Data 2 3 Transmit Data Transmit Data 3 2 Receive Data Data Terminal Ready 4 6+1 Data Set Ready + Carrier Detect System Ground 5 5 System Ground Data Set Ready + Carrier Detect 6+1 4 Data Terminal Ready Request to Send 7 8 Clear to Send Clear to Send 8 7 Request to Send Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) Edited January 12, 2013 by oldschool84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Oh crap. I think I know what you are saying... Yes the db9 end of the Lantronix cable is female and we all know that atari 850 serial ports are female as well. Therefore I shouldn't do a straight through connection, I should use the below mapping instead, correct? Looks like I need to twist "data set ready" and "carrier detect" together as well, correct? Terry (Oldschool84) That would work for connecting the UDS1100 to a PC serial port, or connecting 2 PCs. One end needs to be adapted to the different 850 serial port pinout. I believe these are the correct connections, with both cable ends being DE9 male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ok. I checked the wiring multiple times. Everything is wired correctly. Interesting how nothing has changed though. When using BOBTERM 1.22 in terminal window/mode, All I see is hearts scrolling across the screen. The hearts will stop if I change from ATARI to ASCII or I disconnect the serial cable from the Lantronix device. Even though the hearts stop scrolling when I switch to ASCII, I don't get a connection message and I cannot type. Makes me think either the Lantronix device is not setup correctly, faulty or the atari 850 is faultly? When attached to my pc, I can logon the device and view/set settings (both directly [PC Serial port] and remotely [Over LAN]). No red lights blinking on the device, only green. Attached are my settings. Anything wrong? Also, anyway to check that Atari 850 is functioning properly? Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Also, just to rule out anything being wrong with my cable. Can I just buy an Atari CX87 cable and plug directly into the 850 and Lantronix. No mod/hack needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I see your problem. The setting under "Connect Mode" needs to be changed to C6. D6 is echo, C6 is no echo. I had this problem on my ST and it took me forever to figure it out. I am attaching the PDF manual for the UDS10 and UDS100 (I don't have anything for the 1100). Hopefully it will help somewhat. I am pretty sure the manuals are available for free on the Lantronix website. UDS10-UDS100_UG.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Ok. A little more on this... Changed Connect Mode to C6 and no change. Hearts still scrolling across the screen. No longer thinking it's the Lantronix configuration. When I unplug the power from the lantronix device, there is no change. Hearts still scrolling across the screen. It's only when I unplug the serial cable does the scrolling stop. Makes me still think cable is screwed up, but I checked the pins several times. I bought a CX87 cable and an old fashion 1200 baud modem. I'm going to try it the old way (dial up) and if that works, then I know the 850 is working ok and it has to be the cable. Still wondering if the CX87 cable can connect Atari 850 to Lantronix with no hack/mod? I'm thinking what others have said about tying DSR and CD togther and mapping with DTR. Also RTS with CTS and RXD with TXD... I'm thinking not... Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Ok. A little more on this... Changed Connect Mode to C6 and no change. Hearts still scrolling across the screen. No longer thinking it's the Lantronix configuration. When I unplug the power from the lantronix device, there is no change. Hearts still scrolling across the screen. It's only when I unplug the serial cable does the scrolling stop. Makes me still think cable is screwed up, but I checked the pins several times. I bought a CX87 cable and an old fashion 1200 baud modem. I'm going to try it the old way (dial up) and if that works, then I know the 850 is working ok and it has to be the cable. Still wondering if the CX87 cable can connect Atari 850 to Lantronix with no hack/mod? I'm thinking what others have said about tying DSR and CD togther and mapping with DTR. Also RTS with CTS and RXD with TXD... I'm thinking not... Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) To understand the need for a null-modem you could try reading this: http://www.kermitproject.org/cable.html Documentation for the UDS1100 is available at: http://www.lantronix.com/support/downloads/?p=UDS1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Thanks B.C. Good Article! So now I'm thinking the CX87 will work. The Lantronix is a modem (Well that's what the Atari thinks), not a computer. Therefore it's a simple Atari 850 serial to modem connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Thanks B.C. Good Article! So now I'm thinking the CX87 will work. The Lantronix is a modem (Well that's what the Atari thinks), not a computer. Therefore it's a simple Atari 850 serial to modem connection. I just realized I was thinking the UDS1100 serial port was DTE since it's the same gender as the 850, the standard DTE serial port is male and DCE is female, the 850 is female even though it's DTE. So you just need a cable connecting 8 signals straight through, remapping for the 850 having three signals on different pins. Since the UDS1100 is DCE is should also be possible to use a CX87 modem cable with a DB25F to DE9M serial port adapter. Also documentation for the UDS1100 is available at: http://www.lantronix...oads/?p=UDS1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Excellent thread... hoping to give this a try as soon as I can get hold of one of these elusive device servers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 OK. I received my CX87 modem cable and SX212 Atari modem (IBM Compat) yesterday. Just hooked it up. I have Vonage, however I'm only operating at 1200 baud (ASCII and full duplex). Using bobterm1.22, I dial the Heat Wave BBS (16029554491) using dial menu and manual dial option. The modem comes to life! I hear dial tone, the dialing of the number and the typical modem handshake answer/reponse sounds. CONNECT! I see the following: CONNECT ^r Synchronet External POTS Support v1.25-Win32 Copyright 2009 Rob Swindell !ERROR conUh NO CARRIER Bummer!!! So now I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong??? I tried 3 times and all 3 times the same message. Aside from that, It appears things are somewhat working. So, I believe the Atari 850 is working fine. Next test would be to see if the CX87 modem cable works with the Lantronix USD1100. Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 I hooked up the Lantronix with the CX87 cable. Seems to somewhat work. When using BOBTERM 1.22 (Full duplex, ASCII, 9600 baud), I press the RETURN key to enter into TERM mode. However, I cannot type. I can hear the keystokes, but I don't see anything. If I change the duplex to Half, I see the keys I press, but in Full I don't. IF I go back to menu (Start key) and press F key to Originate, it returns to the TERM mode and I see *** Nodeset 2.0 ***. This is followes by a prompt 0>. According to the Lantronix manual, I am now in monitor mode. I can now type (see what I'm typing). I can execute various commands and works just fine. However, as soon as I exit monitor mode with a QU command, I can on longer type. How can I call a BBS using ATDT if I can't type??? Also, how do I enter into config/setup mode. I saw somewhere you could just press/hold-down 'X' and power on/off the Lantronix... that doesn't work. I can't config from my Atari. I can only config from a PC/windows machine. Thanks, Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 Another update... Again, using Lantronix and Bobterm 1.22, I can sort of connect to the Heat Wave BBS via the dial menu. The intro page is all garbage, but then it clearly states if i'd like to logon, or new member, ect... Everything I type returns 2 of it. I type 'N' and it shows as 'NN' and then is ask really? and I say 'Y', but shows as 'YY' ...Then it clearly asks a bunch of questions about me, but it auto fills in with a bunch of JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ. Then is asks if im ANSI or VT100 ect... I never choose right because it asks if my screen just cleared. I say 'N' ...which shows as 'NN'... So it appears the CX87 cable is what you need when connecting the atari 850 with the Lantronix device (NO HACKS, NO ADAPTORS REQUIRED!), but the configuration of the Lantronix UDS1100 must not be correct? Terry (Oldschool84) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I had problems using the UDS1100 with my STacy (Atari ST portable). I eventually just bought a used UDS10 from Ebay and it's worked like its supposed to every since. You might want to think about picking up the UDS10 from Ebay or someplace like that and trying it. You can usually get them pretty cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Ok. I bought a UDS10 and everything works perfectly. To recap: - Atari 130xe - Atari 850 Interface - CX87 cable - UDS10 - Bobterm 1.22 IP Addr: 000.000.000.000 (DHCP/BOOTP/AutoIP) Gateway: 192.168.001.001 Netmask: 255.255.255.000 Baudrate: 9600 I/F Mode: 4C Flow: 00 Port: 10001 Connect Mode: D6 Disconn Mode: 00 Flush Mode: 00 TCP Keepalive: Disabled ARP Cache Timeout: 600s I go to term mode in Bobterm and type: ATDT065005243210/8888 WORKS! What have I learned.... Lantronix UDS1100 SUCKS!!! Stay away from it. CX87 cable is all you need. No hack required. It's plug and Play! Enjoy! Oldschool84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool84 Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Oh yeah... I more thing. In Bobterm 1.22 use: Full duplex, ASCII, 9600 baud. Oldschool84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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