NeoGeoNinja Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Still there and works on Vita TV/PlayStation TV. Hmmm. Interesting. Cheers Sh3-rg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccorm Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I have to say, never having seen Tempest 2000 before, when I went back and watched it, the similar elements... beyond just the tunnel shooting concept... were pretty striking. The claw. The dancing letters. The powerups. The enemies. The visual effects. The music and voice-over. It didn't strike me as being a clone but a modern remake. All that said, I really wish the two of them could move forward and either produce it as a remake, or Jeff could go on his own and turn it into a clone. I'm going to guess that the second option is less likely because Atari is upset by the sales and demos that have already been made, plus this new publicity. I really wish Atari would engage its marketing team instead of its legal team in this instance. PS: Texas Instruments is fine with the ripped voice samples, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickled_Pink Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Actually, I went the other way earlier today. Not having seen TxK, I took a look on Youtube. Where Atari are coming from with their claims about the soundtrack, I haven't a clue. It's completely different to the one in T2K. I felt that it had a more arcadey look and feel than Tempest 2000. T2K looks and feels like it belongs on the Jag. TxK looks and sounds like it should be in the arcades. It's the sort of game you'd love to see playing in the corner of your living room in a standalone cabinet. Shame Atari were so short sighted. Edited March 22, 2015 by Tickled_Pink 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Still there and works on Vita TV/PlayStation TV. Yeah, I guess I am going to have to hold onto the PS TV. I was hoping to sell it and just buy this on the PS4, but it looks like that's not happening now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckafka99 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Just waiting for some Best Buy reward points to hit and I suspect I will be putting my accumulated certificates and a gift card towards the PSTV for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thucom Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 had to get a ps tv for this on the weekend. helps that there was a flash sale going on. really doesn't help that you have to look up a special compatibility list for buying anything it seems like. Rather wish Atarigrames would go out of business again, I'm hoping someone can actually buy them up that wants to do something meaningful with what is left over rather than using it for Best of Classics or whatever and whatever that haunted house game was.After reading about what happened with the Alone in the Dark series back in the day I don't want Infogrames to have any meaningful influence on any meaningful series either. Hopefully this can be resolved without too many issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karyyk Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) TxK is the reason I bought a Playstation TV, so if definitely works (and plays well; played some back-to-back T2K/TxK this weekend). That said, "Atari" has the right to "protect its IP," as they say (they paid half-arsed money for it after all). No matter how many unethical and unscrupulous things they've done in the past (the loyalties for Tempest X3 is rather heinous), that doesn't discount that they have that right. It's sad, and it sucks, but it's business and they're obviously just in it for the money. That's where this doesn't really make a bit of sense. They obviously don't have another Tempest in the works, so going the C&D route rather than offering an alternative path to multiplatform releases is basically just throwing free money away. They could have offered a split on the proceeds, allowed Minter to make some things official (Atari logo, the word "Tempest") and basically everyone wins at that point. As things are going now, Atari isn't going to win anything from making Minter broke (aside from some EA-level infamy), Minter stands to lose more than subsequent profits and gamers lose a chance to play a very, very good successor to one of the finest games to grace an Atari platform. I think that's where the whole Atari "protecting its IP" bit becomes very hard to swallow to anyone who's played Tempest 2000 (or 3000), and that it seems a bit wonky to have to "protect" it from the very person who kind of established Tempest's gameplay when updates and sequels to classic games were just becoming a big deal (and most of those were downright slaughtered). I guess IP is a way you could mean "profits" or "investment," so money, but I don't see where they're going to make a dime squatting on this or any other IP. They're certainly not going to spend much in the way of internal resources making updated versions of old games that people may or may not care about, so why not play nice, share some proceeds, and then expand the formula. Surely some other talented indie developers would love a chance to give their own updated takes to Atari classics, and this would be a great way to spin this into something positive instead of coming across like a less successful and more bitter caricature of EA. Edited March 24, 2015 by Karyyk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaztee Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Wonder if Atari are going to set the dogs on Albert as he has a copy of tempest for the 5200 for sale in the store & that game was actually started in the days when Atari were a bit more relevant in the video game industry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickled_Pink Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 You know what? I'm wondering whether this 'protect our IP' crap is another way of saying "we're going broke - again - and need to protect whatever assets we have left to sell on". Minter doing another definitive Tempest remake is going to water the value of the IP down as it narrows what a prospective buyer could do with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masschamber Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 You know what? I'm wondering whether this 'protect our IP' crap is another way of saying "we're going broke - again - and need to protect whatever assets we have left to sell on". Minter doing another definitive Tempest remake is going to water the value of the IP down as it narrows what a prospective buyer could do with it. seems like the most likely reason Atari could be pursuing this as at this point they're definitely harming their own brand among dedicated fans, though I don't know if most of a wider audience will care. but in court I think Atari would win copyright infringement on a case of striking similarity, using the exact same wording on everything in game, due to tempest abstract nature the appearance means a whole lot and even the name is invoking tempest plus all of his talk directly relating it to tempest 2000 would be used as evidence against him I don't know what he could do defensively Though I wonder if sony's involvement complicates things , because frankly I'm sure they know he would lose or think he would lose in court why not just work out a licensing deal for a portion of the games revenue. Though they clearly can't be bothered to proof read the business letters so I don't understand what they're doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Anyone who doesn't follow Minter on twitter might have missed that he gave away gridrunner++, gridrunner++ special sweary edition, Hover Bovver 2 and also provided links to his 8- and 16-bit games as said "All our old 8-bit games for use in emulators. Remake if you want! ... Likewise here's all our old 16-bit stuff!". "I love all those old games but I'd be a fool to be bound by them, snarling and yapping at anyone who dared go near. Don't you think?" He then continued: "sometimes the experience of getting fucked over can actually make you think about how you might behave better yourself ... I am truly sorry I was ever a dick about remakes. I was wrong." "& god please shoot me if I ever become some wizened troll grunting and drooling over my preciouses from 20 years ago. Not for this ox }:-)" "as for Atari, you should thank me. I've kept the tube shooter genre current, shown a way to do that. Beat me. Be better. Not this bullshit." "I want to hear people say "TxK? That was good, but the new Atari Tempest is way better". Then I will love Atari again. Do it!" Edited March 26, 2015 by sh3-rg 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio80 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Anyone who doesn't follow Minter on twitter might have missed that he gave away gridrunner++, gridrunner++ special sweary edition, Hover Bovver 2 and also provided links to his 8- and 16-bit games as said "All our old 8-bit games for use in emulators. Remake if you want! ... Likewise here's all our old 16-bit stuff!". "I love all those old games but I'd be a fool to be bound by them, snarling and yapping at anyone who dared go near. Don't you think?" He then continued: "sometimes the experience of getting fucked over can actually make you think about how you might behave better yourself ... I am truly sorry I was ever a dick about remakes. I was wrong." "& god please shoot me if I ever become some wizened troll grunting and drooling over my preciouses from 20 years ago. Not for this ox }:-)" "as for Atari, you should thank me. I've kept the tube shooter genre current, shown a way to do that. Beat me. Be better. Not this bullshit." "I want to hear people say "TxK? That was good, but the new Atari Tempest is way better". Then I will love Atari again. Do it!" Jeff is really great person, reading things like this makes me think he is sadly one of a kind. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Lets try this.. a quote... ...XXXX has created XXX as an ode to Atari's classic shoot 'em up, Tempest."I tried to recreate the experiences i had whilst playing it, so i'm not really surprised at the comparisons.I just hope the public will enjoy this as much-hopefully even more" Jeff Minter talking about TxK prior to the shit storm breaking out?...No.... Tony Crowther talking to Edge back in early '98 about PS1 N20 Just thought i'd throw it into the mix here as it seemed topical..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariORdead Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Lets try this.. a quote... ...XXXX has created XXX as an ode to Atari's classic shoot 'em up, Tempest."I tried to recreate the experiences i had whilst playing it, so i'm not really surprised at the comparisons.I just hope the public will enjoy this as much-hopefully even more" Jeff Minter talking about TxK prior to the shit storm breaking out?...No.... Tony Crowther talking to Edge back in early '98 about PS1 N20 Just thought i'd throw it into the mix here as it seemed topical..... Little bit different to saying that he considers this game a true sequel to tempest, and that this is the tempest game he always wanted to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Yes, it's a different stance to that Jeff took and Tony's game is designed in a manner that graphically there's no case for it's a blatant clone of..... But it's a case where yet another past 'bedroom' coder as it were from the 8 Bit era, has been open enough to site the inspiration for his game on then current hardware and saying he'd always wanted to do a modern day Tempest as it was something he wanted to play and hoped others would as well, which is, in essence exactly what Jeff has been doing with his official and unofficial updates/takes on likes of:Defender/Robotron/Tempest over the years. Call it's Jeffs pride or possibly a touch of arrogance if anyones of the that view (i'm not personally) and it was a daft statement to make perhaps, publically...but over the years from key UK coders i've now seen Minter+Crowther do updates as it were, Bitmap Bros put a concept for how they'd update it, forward etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (cont) impression i've always come away with from all 3 developers is not that they could make an utter killing from this at retail, but that they loved Tempest in the arcades and all 3 had ideas of how to bring it to a whole new generation and hopefully bring in a new generation of fans and they'd all had ideas on how to add something of their own to the mix. I'd much rather see games updated by talented coders with a passion for the game they are making, than someone just signing up for an update as they put in the cheapest tender or were avaiable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) VitaTV/PSTV/PlayTV now £45 RRP, if you already have a DS3 you're looking at around the same price as a new release game for a console and TxK to play on it :0) Edited March 28, 2015 by sh3-rg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I read that price drop story, far more sensible a price for the hardware, but my inner cynic makes me wonder just what Sony is upto with this, trying to shift stocks?, as they've done nothing i believe to remedy the absurd pricing for Vita Memory Cards. But yes, bloody good news for those of us looking at the device as an more 'attractive' option than buying another handheld just for 1 game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Still there and works on Vita TV/PlayStation I've been looking into getting a PS TV just for this game becaue I rather see myself playing it at home than getting a handheld for it. I just took a look online and saw one for around 70€ which seems reasonable but I have a few questions and maybe you can help me out on this since I know almost nothing about the device: - So it is essentially a PS vita for the Tv and all I will need to get is a joypad and the game? Which joypad works with it? - I read that the picture quality isn't that great on the Tv. The Screenshot Kev posted seems ok. Is there anything to this? - Anything else I have to know about the system? Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-03-27-sony-cuts-playstation-tv-uk-price-to-45 ".......just the micro-console, HDMI cable, power adaptor and a redeem code for OlliOlli, Velocity Ultra and Worms Evolution Extreme. You aren't even supplied with a controller - you need to supply your own Dual Shock 3 or Dual Shock 4, otherwise you're left with a completely inoperable device."' If you follow the link above, you can click on the highlighted aspect in main body of article and get the Digital Foundary run down on it and this might help you decide if device is for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MacRorie Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I've been looking into getting a PS TV just for this game becaue I rather see myself playing it at home than getting a handheld for it. I just took a look online and saw one for around 70€ which seems reasonable but I have a few questions and maybe you can help me out on this since I know almost nothing about the device: - So it is essentially a PS vita for the Tv and all I will need to get is a joypad and the game? Which joypad works with it? - I read that the picture quality isn't that great on the Tv. The Screenshot Kev posted seems ok. Is there anything to this? - Anything else I have to know about the system? Thanks guys Both the PS3 DS3 and the PS4 DS4 work with it. I think the picture quality is quite nice. Even when I am playing PS3 on it. I have one because it allows me to play my PS4 games either in another room or while on the road (very easy to link up and play games, you need a good connection for there to be no snags, but it works well) Also, sometimes it is easier to play games on the TV rather than on the Vita. Not all Vita games work on the PSTV, so you should check into which of your favorites you expect to play on it.play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckafka99 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Picked up the PSTV on Saturday. Got it setup, grabbed TxK (which looks/plays great). However my daughter got the most use out of the thing; I had no idea she had any interest in and would enjoy the included Lego Movie Game; uncharacteristically we allowed her many hours of play with it. We usually try to create some reasonable limits of video game time, although admittedly she's pretty good at limiting herself without guidance as she enjoys a number of other things that are not technology related. Also grabbed and have been enjoying a revisit to the first Tomb Radier. The fact that I had some Best Buy rewards to put towards the already marked down price of $99 for the bundle made picking this up a no brainer given that 30 or so years ago I willingly picked up the Jag for Tempest 2000 alone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Damnit. I'm going to head to the local this weekend and see if I can find a second-hand PS TV now because now I have got to get this game... thanks. Good job Atari lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagman Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Just bought a PS TV / TxK before this gets pulled. I was hoping to get one of the ports, but glad it's still on there as i've been meaning to play it since it came out and have no interest in buying a Vita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Jeff Minter @llamasoft_ox 18m18 minutes ago I just made the full iOS version of Gridrunner free forever, if anyone wants it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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