bradhig Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 First the heavy sixer then the light sixer ,the four switch ,vader ,and the jr. Why didn't they just keep making six switch versions all the way through the life span of the 2600? No other console had so many changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroFiends Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I would presume it was to lower production costs. By the time of the jr, we had a smaller console with less durable (perhaps, thinner?) plastic. Wood, from what I'm aware, isn't cheap. Additionally, less switches to be made until we again, got to the point where there is no physical lever switches. It might seem small, but when you're mass producing things, you can better afford to offer price cuts to remain competitive in the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulBlazer Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Most consoles get redesigned at least once during their lifetime (NES, SNES, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, etc.) and sometimes twice (Intelivision, Game Boy, etc.) It does seem strange that Atari had the 2600 in so many versions, but the system did have a long life -- officialy made and supported from 1977 to 1991. (Maybe even 1992, I'm not totally sure). I don't think any other console has had so long a run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 so that we can collect them all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 No other reason than cost cutting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamakazi Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I would presume it was to lower production costs. By the time of the jr, we had a smaller console with less durable (perhaps, thinner?) plastic. Wood, from what I'm aware, isn't cheap. Additionally, less switches to be made until we again, got to the point where there is no physical lever switches. It might seem small, but when you're mass producing things, you can better afford to offer price cuts to remain competitive in the market. I never knew that any of the 2600 woodgrain models used real wood. All of the ones I have ever come across, including the heavy sixer and light sixer, were all plastic with a woodgrain paint scheme. But I would assume it was for cuts in production costs. It could have also been due to a few other factors like availability of parts and switching of company ownership. Some part manufacturers probably went out of business or stopped production on parts the 2600 relied on to work. Thus, forcing a needed redesign to use part alternatives. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The original design is complex and probably cost 3 times or more that of the jr to produce the shell. Even the 2 moved switches early on would have saved a few bucks. Also throw in the fact that the original case is over twice as volumous as it needed to be with deletion of inbuilt speakers. Visual appeal lost out in the end. The design alone makes the early models collectable and displayable, the jr just looks like any other piece of cheap electronic junk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamakazi Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Visual appeal lost out in the end. The design alone makes the early models collectable and displayable, the jr just looks like any other piece of cheap electronic junk. I like my JR. But I have to agree. I like the JR model because it is a 2600 alternative but the original designs are by far my favorite of all models. 6 or 4 switch models. I'm not too fond of the Darth Vader model, though. I thought the console missing the wood look was a defect or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 First the heavy sixer, then the light sixer, the four switch, vader, and the jr. Why didn't they just keep making six switch versions all the way through the life span of the 2600? No other console had so many changes. Because Atari loved money more than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Anyway, Atari was always innovating, finding new ways to reduce costs and designing different models, it's all part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 First the heavy sixer then the light sixer ,the four switch ,vader ,and the jr. Why didn't they just keep making six switch versions all the way through the life span of the 2600? No other console had so many changes. You forgot the 2800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Warner Atari's cost reductions were insignificant compared to the Tramiel era. Although electrical goods in general tended to become less solid and simplified in design as the 80s went on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Guntz Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Analogue Interactive needs to put their wood where their mouth is and release an Atari 2600 encased in real wood, or at least add real wood paneling to the 6 and 4 switch models. Pun sort of intended I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister-VCS Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 First the heavy sixer then the light sixer ,the four switch ,vader ,and the jr. Why didn't they just keep making six switch versions all the way through the life span of the 2600? No other console had so many changes. The original design is complex and probably cost 3 times or more that of the jr to produce the shell. Even the 2 moved switches early on would have saved a few bucks. Also throw in the fact that the original case is over twice as volumous as it needed to be with deletion of inbuilt speakers. Visual appeal lost out in the end. The design alone makes the early models collectable and displayable, the jr just looks like any other piece of cheap electronic junk. The 2 moved switches are the result of the new (cheap) all-in-one motherboard. The result of this revision is a bad picture quality on all 4switch models. The 2600 JR picture quality is almost as good as on the 6switchers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb9snl Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I never knew that any of the 2600 woodgrain models used real wood. All of the ones I have ever come across, including the heavy sixer and light sixer, were all plastic with a woodgrain paint scheme. I'm reasonably sure no model of the 2600 ever used any real wood. Faux woodgrain finish was huge in the mid 70's to about the mid 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The weight of the H6 was the most, look at how thick the base is. The L6 is made of a thinner plastic. Atari must have saved thousands or millions on shipping costs and materials alone. And never passed that savings to you! Corporate greed no doubt.. I do prefer the look of the L6 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ripdubski Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Wait wait wait, given the long lifecycle it seems that in conjunction with cost savings, it was probably given lite makeovers to keep it "new". Similar to why car mfgs change the grill, headlights, and tail lights between body refreshes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Agreed on the cost cutting. Also, the style of the console evolved over the years to keep up with the latest trends. Wood grain & levers was very late seventies while aluminum trim & LEDs was more sleek and futuristic for the new decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulBlazer Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The weight of the H6 was the most, look at how thick the base is. The L6 is made of a thinner plastic. Atari must have saved thousands or millions on shipping costs and materials alone. And never passed that savings to you! Corporate greed no doubt.. I do prefer the look of the L6 though. The price of the system DID drop over the years, though, as every game console did. If I recall correctly, the Atari 2600 was $300 when it launched in 1977. That was as much as a Playstation when that first came out, and more expensive then most consoles at launch! By the end of the 2600's life in 1991, you could pick up a new Junior for $50 (perhaps even cheaper). So some of that savings was passed on to consumers, although there were other reasons for it also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maiki Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The period of 1977-1991 is questionable though. Wasn't there a production blackout after the "crash" that lasted at least a couple of years? I would say the Playstation 2 deserves the first place as the console with the longest production run. Also 300 dollars in 1977 is not 300 dollars today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ripdubski Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Also 300 dollars in 1977 is not 300 dollars today... Your right about that. 300 in 1977 is roughty 1200 in 2014. http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=300&year=1977 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Wood, from what I'm aware, isn't cheap. What does that have to do with the Atari 2600? I never knew that any of the 2600 woodgrain models used real wood. They didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloBoy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The weight of the H6 was the most, look at how thick the base is. The L6 is made of a thinner plastic. Atari must have saved thousands or millions on shipping costs and materials alone. And never passed that savings to you! Corporate greed no doubt..IIRC, part of the reason why they changed the bottom was because the Heavy Sixer bottoms had a tendency to warp after manufacturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bah Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 heavy-ist design-worin out the bugs 6 switch light- less plastic, cheaper controller assembly, 2 less screws, made overseas 4 switch-cheaper rf shield, single board construction, cost reduce 2 switches vader-elim application of woodgrain ink, no more sockets on PC board junior-smaller board and housing follow the money.....my company does the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Anytime a product goes from being made in America by American workers to made overseas by workers who may as well get paid with peanuts... it's an obvious sign of corporate greed. Nothing wrong with trying to maximize profits, but when the quality of the product suffers... then it's just greed. Same thing happened with bicycles. In the early 80's or maybe even earlier, American bike companies closed their factories and moved all production to Taiwan because it was cheaper than paying skilled American welders, platers, painters, etc. to make bicycles. Quality went down, prices stayed the same, profit margins went up. Huge difference between the Heavy Sixer and the Atari 2600 Jr. ... not just in appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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