voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 I don't have the ![/i] is not compatible with the PlayCable or System Changer. Sorry folks. ;-) What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 How bout my keyboard component? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) good, so that means it's compatible with the original computer keyboard Or wait, you said at least two. I haven't actually tested it yet. I'll be honest that it's not high on my list at least for 1.0. I do know that I've avoided a major hardware incompatibility, involving signals on the bus. Any remaining incompatibility would be at the software level, I hope, which means that even if it doesn't work with 1.0, it could be made to work later. The KC adds a lot of additional pitfalls to account for, such as ROM at $7xxx that you can't turn off, 10-bit RAM at $8000 - $BFFF that you can't turn off, and so on. Are there any KC-specific cartridges out there that plug into the Intellivision cartridge port? Or is all the KC specific software that we know of either tape-based, or plugs into the special KC-only connector in the back (such as KC Microsoft BASIC)? I think the main audience for LTO Flash! on the Keyboard Component would be folks interested in writing custom software to reverse engineer the KC, and Frank Palazzolo I think has that covered fairly nicely. (Although, he did email me, and I need to get back to him.) Edited July 27, 2014 by intvnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 What Yep, if you want to use cartridges with the System Changer, there's plenty of fine products over there in the Atari 2600 tab... For the PlayCable, well... I don't have an FCC license to broadcast on the channel(s) it's looking for, for one. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 I haven't actually tested it yet. I'll be honest that it's not high on my list at least for 1.0. I do know that I've avoided a major hardware incompatibility, involving signals on the bus. Any remaining incompatibility would be at the software level, I hope, which means that even if it doesn't work with 1.0, it could be made to work later. The KC adds a lot of additional pitfalls to account for, such as ROM at $7xxx that you can't turn off, 10-bit RAM at $8000 - $BFFF that you can't turn off, and so on. Are there any KC-specific cartridges out there that plug into the Intellivision cartridge port? Or is all the KC specific software that we know of either tape-based, or plugs into the special KC-only connector in the back (such as KC Microsoft BASIC)? I have one cart, let me check. I never looked at the cart, i still have it i the box it was shipped in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 just check its a cassette not cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 It does have a port on the side. thats the size of a cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 the Atari 2600 tab... :-) No Thankyou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 Im looking at the kc, the cartridge port on the kc is connected to a flixible cable that has an end that plugs into the consoles cartridge slot. so its like a cartridge extension cord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) It does have a port on the side. thats the size of a cart. The KC, as I recall, has three cartridge ports. The one on the side is for Intellivision Master Component cartridges, and the two on the back are for KC-only cartridges, such as KC Microsoft BASIC. As far as I know, no KC-specific software was produced that uses the Intellivision MC cartridge port on the side (where the LTO Flash! would plug in). The two on the back are behind fold-open doors, and require special cartridges. The KC BASIC cartridge, for example, is quite a bit thicker than a MC cartridge, and has a "T" shaped bottom that forms a little stand to raise it up to meet the connector behind the door. Im looking at the kc, the cartridge port on the kc is connected to a flixible cable that has an end that plugs into the consoles cartridge slot. so its like a cartridge extension cord. Correct. This allows the MC to talk to the KC, and doubles as a pass through for MC cartridges. There is a check in the KC EXEC for KC-specific cartridges plugged into that port. However, I have not come across any in real life. We only discovered this by accident, as the ROM header I gave Chad for the Intellicart managed to include the magic signature the KC looks for. Oops! Edited July 27, 2014 by intvnut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 well since it has a pass through in a sense LTO flash will work in KC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) well since it has a pass through in a sense LTO flash will work in KC Modulo the other hurdles the KC throws at you, as I mentioned above. The KC maps additional ROM and RAM into the Intellivision address space, and the KC EXEC has some other twists in terms of what it looks for in a cartridge. LTO Flash! would have to operate within those constraints, and I am not guaranteeing that 1.0 of the software will do so. Also, many Mattel/INTV titles released after the KC was canceled, as well as many third party titles, will not work with a KC attached. LTO Flash! does not provide a mechanism to make them work, either. The tricks LTO Flash! pulls to make the ECS work aren't available with the KC. So, for now, I make no promises about KC compatibility. It's too much engineering effort for what I believe is very marginal gain. Edited July 27, 2014 by intvnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I haven't actually tested it yet. I'll be honest that it's not high on my list at least for 1.0. I do know that I've avoided a major hardware incompatibility, involving signals on the bus. Any remaining incompatibility would be at the software level, I hope, which means that even if it doesn't work with 1.0, it could be made to work later. The KC adds a lot of additional pitfalls to account for, such as ROM at $7xxx that you can't turn off, 10-bit RAM at $8000 - $BFFF that you can't turn off, and so on. Are there any KC-specific cartridges out there that plug into the Intellivision cartridge port? Or is all the KC specific software that we know of either tape-based, or plugs into the special KC-only connector in the back (such as KC Microsoft BASIC)? I think the main audience for LTO Flash! on the Keyboard Component would be folks interested in writing custom software to reverse engineer the KC, and Frank Palazzolo I think has that covered fairly nicely. (Although, he did email me, and I need to get back to him.) Frank P. bought a Keyboard Component and is hoping to do some work on it for emulation purposes. He was hoping that the LTO Flash! would work on it. I hope it works out of the box. :-) I have a picture of Frank P. myself and Carl Mueller by my KC in a pic somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Frank P. bought a Keyboard Component and is hoping to do some work on it for emulation purposes. He was hoping that the LTO Flash! would work on it. I hope it works out of the box. :-) I have a picture of Frank P. myself and Carl Mueller by my KC in a pic somewhere. It may depend on when he buys the box. I need to make sure all the other headline features work before I start debugging on the KC. The KC adds a surprising number of variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 LTO Flash! Unleash the Intelligence in your Intellivision™ LTO Flash! unlocks the power of your Intellivision™ video game system. It places your entire game catalog at your fingertips in a single, powerful cartridge. It also opens the door to exciting possibilities for new games to come.Easy To Use LTO Flash! connects to your Windows or Macintosh computer via a high speed USB 2.0 link. An intuitive graphical interface organizes your game library however you like. Simply drag and drop games into folders, sync it up, and voila! You're ready to go! Have a large game collection? No problem! Group games into as many folders as you like, in whatever order you like. Want to highlight your favorites? Color code your games to make them easy to spot. Long game titles got you down? LTO Flash! keeps track of the game's full name as well as a shorter nick name to keep the clutter down. Want to keep your games' manuals at your finger tips? Download them along side your games and you'll have them handy wherever you go. Got a game you're just itching to try? Or maybe you're writing a new game and you just want to test it? Download & Play lets you try it out with a single click, without even unplugging LTO Flash! from your Intellivision™ system. Set it and Forget it! Some games aren't compatible with every system or peripheral. LTO Flash! won't let that get in your way. It detects and works around common incompatibilities, to let play on the Intellivision II and ECS that couldn't before. LTO Flash! can also bypass the ECS title screen for games that don't need it. Now you don't need to unplug or fiddle with anything to play your favorite 3rd party game. Just point, click and play, all in a flash! Power for the Future LTO Flash! provides ONE MEGABYTE of RAM and a high speed USB serial link for new game development. New games can communicate with your computer via USB, opening new possibilities for online entertainment. Games can also save high scores and other game state in its generous on-board 32MB flash. LTO Flash! supports all Intellicart, Cuttle Cart 3 and JLP based games. Specifications 1MB RAM, organized as 512K x 16 bits. Fully available to new games via bank switching. 32MB on board flash. No need to open the cartridge to change an SD card. High speed USB 2.0 serial connection. Supports speeds up to 1Mbit/sec. Serial port available to new game software. Intuitive Windows and Macintosh graphics user interface. Field upgradable. When new features become available, an upgrade is a click away. JLP Flash support. Games can save up to 192K bytes of information in the on-board flash. JLP Acceleration support. Gives new game writers an edge. Compatibility Compatible with all ROMs from Intellivision Lives! and Intellivision Rocks!, all Intellicart / CC3 ROM images, and homebrews developed with SDK-1600. Compatible with all Intellivision compatible systems, including Intellivision II, Sears Super Video Arcade, TandyVision One, INTV System III, and Intellivision SuperPro System. Compatible with the Intellivision Entertainment Computer System (ECS) and Intellivoice. PRICE: $119 US plus shipping and handling AVAILABILITY: The product will debut at Classic Gaming Expo and should be available at the same time via mail order from the Left Turn Only Order Page here: http://www.leftturnonly.info/ THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF COPIES YOU MAY PURCHASE! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 set it and forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I don't have the complete list off the top of my head. But, some examples of ECS incompatible games/ROMs: PacMan, Defender, Dig Dug, Congo Bongo, MTE-201. These are all incompatible because they map a portion of their ROM at $7xxx. Thanks. The $7000 makes a lot of sense. Based on that, I went digging into the standard list of CFG files to see what games used that range and came up with the following list (which is very close to the list off the top of your head). Congo Bongo Defender Dig Dug MTE-201 Test Cart Pac-Man Centipede Choplifter (not one of the original 125) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Thanks. The $7000 makes a lot of sense. Based on that, I went digging into the standard list of CFG files to see what games used that range and came up with the following list (which is very close to the list off the top of your head). Congo Bongo Defender Dig Dug MTE-201 Test Cart Pac-Man Centipede Choplifter (not one of the original 125) I'm getting rusty, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I'm getting rusty, I guess. LOL. You still did better than my first list (i.e. zero items). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intvsteve Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I'll need to update a couple entries... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 ... I should add that I took the cheap route and looked at CFG files for the games. I didn't actually test them with a physical ECS. That said, I suspect the list should be very accurate since any games with incorrect CFG files probably wouldn't work in emulators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 ... I should add that I took the cheap route and looked at CFG files for the games. I didn't actually test them with a physical ECS. That said, I suspect the list should be very accurate since any games with incorrect CFG files probably wouldn't work in emulators. In theory, ROMs could have conflicts at $2xxx and $Exxx. No games that I know of map to $2xxx. Championship Tennis does have ROM at $Exxx, and it crashes when I bring it up in the emulator if I enable the ECS. Can someone with an actual Championship Tennis cart tell me if it plays when you plug it into an ECS? I seem to recall hearing something to the effect that it's supposed to enable a 4 player mode or something, or maybe that's what was planned for it if it had been released as a proper ECS title. I did try an experiment to see if it played properly after enabling $Exxx as a paged ROM, but it didn't seem to do the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I seem to recall hearing something to the effect that it's supposed to enable a 4 player mode or something, or maybe that's what was planned for it if it had been released as a proper ECS title. That would be surprise! I will test it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 That would be surprise! I will test it. Cool. Thanks. I may be confusing it with another title (WC Soccer?), but knowing for sure would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Cool. Thanks. I may be confusing it with another title (WC Soccer?), but knowing for sure would be great. I will try this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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